A personal view of a European

Eurotrash · Jul 16, 2004, 10:33 AM

Hello,

After having read lots of posts in this forum,
I can only say ,I'm really happy to be European and not to live in such a self destructive country as America.
The right wing views some of you here expressed would in my region be rightfully labeled fascist.

Concerning US foreign policy, I now understand why they didn't and still don't recognize the international criminal court and even threatened to remove jailed Americans by force from a fellow NATO founding ally ,because the US are abusing human rights left and right wherever they go.(PS. They still have deals with most countries not to extradite Americans to the international criminal court, in other words they might pretend to be going along but in reality nothing has changed)

Concerning freedom, I live in a country where if I wanted I could use drugs without legal consequences, where prostitution is legal and where if you really wanted to you could euthanaise yourself. Now that's freedom folks, not that supposed freedom you all seem to be relishing.

Nacht · Jul 16, 2004, 11:58 AM

The ban on drugs is to protect the future of America. Otherwise, you would have a bunch of IDIOTS running around, high as kites, and making nothing of their lives, living off of welfare (money put forth by hard working individuals), and dragging the country down. Like you said, you live in Europe. I dont know what it is like where you live, and you apparently have no idea what it is like here.

Eurotrash · Jul 16, 2004, 01:04 PM

Actually I have been visiting the US since I was 4 years old. I grew up all over the globe and often in between Americans and have had many personal relationships with American citizens. I just never thought they would accept a coup as easily as they did. Myself I live in a Monarchy so I can honestly say I'm Republican. On the note of drugs, you already have idiots running around high as a kite, only difference now is instead of them costing money by having to apprehend
them then put them through the court system and then being incarcerated which cost a lot of tax payer money,
you simply could give them an option to get clean or not and let them live their lives paying taxes. Also most musicians and artists and scientists even the so called clean cut ones use drugs, yet most of them pay taxes unlike many self made men who think just because they worked their asses off they don't owe other people anything.

~~BMG_Cya=-~~ · Jul 16, 2004, 02:05 PM

Euro...I can tell by your posts, especially the last one that you are "partaking of drugs" which
I myself would not want. Weed? Glue? Huffing paint? Those 3 drugs I mentioned are brain fryers,
and actually make people in general stupid and/or paranoid.

When/if you sober up one day...come back and read this post and see if it still makes
any kind of sense to you.

Until then, wish you well and wish you to stay in Europe.

Eurotrash · Jul 16, 2004, 02:45 PM

No can do(stay in Europe), travel all the time also to the US.

Also you shouldn't fear what is unknown to you.
The drug thing is about money, It takes more money to fight drugs then it takes to cure people on drugs, most people who are addicted to drugs don't actually want to use drugs anymore but have a hard time getting off it, some never get of it because of their genes they were born with. Educating people about the dangers of drugs instead of just scaring them would be more productive in keeping them away from drugs. I understand from your reaction you actually believe the propaganda you've been brought up with. And I'm happy for you it managed to keep you away from drugs, but not every one is as gullable and will experiment for themselves exposing themselves to all the dangers as a result. Not all drugs are equally dangerous, alcohol for example is a very dangerous substance more so than for example weed or even extacy but heroin or the likes would clearly have to be put higher on the scales of danger. The war on drugs is just a huge waste of money for which you don't get to see any results (locally and abroad), educating people without the scare tactics would give you immediat feedback and a positive response, the few people that would fuck up would be smaller and less expensive to assist them in rebuilding their lives.

Remember a person in jail is not paying taxes but costs money. And what was his or her crime, being weak?

OldBuzzard · Jul 16, 2004, 09:12 PM

Eurotrash:

Just remember, you live FREELY in that country, and you AREN'T speaking GERMAN because a hell of a lot of Americans, died in 2 World Wars.

digerati · Jul 16, 2004, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by OldBuzzard
Eurotrash:

Just remember, you live FREELY in that country, and you AREN'T speaking GERMAN because a hell of a lot of Americans, died in 2 World Wars.

Russia would've moved in and won anyways. They got their act together in the end. But that's not the point.

America, with all its laws, against drugs and prostitution, is still considered the most well off nation on Earth. Also a leader in technologies, and with nice rovers on the moon.

So apparently we must be doing something right that you're not Eurotrash.

OldBuzzard · Jul 16, 2004, 09:49 PM

Actually, in WWII, the Russians would have, at best, stalemated the Germans. The massive influx of arms from the USA , along with the Allied invasion of 'Fortress Europe' (which pulled German resourses away from the Eastern Front) gave the Soviets the 'edge' that they needed to go on the offensive against the Germans.

Even then, by the end of the war in Europe, the Soviets were still in very bad shape, and if Roosevelt and Churchill would have given Patton his 'wish' and allowed him to invade Russia, the world as we know it today would be a very diffferent place, as the Soviet Union would have been defeated. One can only speculate just WHAT it would look like today, but it would surely be a lot different that it is now.

~~BMG_Cya=-~~ · Jul 17, 2004, 01:45 AM

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Russia would've moved in and won anyways

That is about the most ingratious and...just plain bad statement I have ever heard.

I don't know why I subject myself occasionally to political forums, as nothing pisses me off quicker.

*MUST STAY AWAY...MUST STAY AWAY....*

Eurotrash · Jul 17, 2004, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
America, with all its laws, against drugs and prostitution, is still considered the most well off nation on Earth.

Actually it's eighth, that's three behind mine.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5678362

**dj_stick** · Jul 17, 2004, 07:20 AM

and my country is rated third, woop dee doo

anti-drug, anti-gun laws are designed to keep the general populace safe

as for freedom to take drugs, freedom to hire a prositute and freedom to commit suicide… is that really great?

a. drugs - totally f*ck you up, cause dependence on the drug, making the addict steal in the end to feed his/her habit - and then live on welfare the dole or whatever there is in that nation.

b. prostitutes - do you have any feeling for what they are going through, why they have been forced to sell there body and the irreparable damage caused to their mental health. read a diary entry of someone forced into this life one day and i hope you would feel disgusted at what you do

c. euthanasia - yeh go kill yourself, f*ck what your family and friends think of you, what your death will cause them to feel. you obviously don't care of the guilt, remorse and grief you will cause them - often never knowing why you took the action and whether it was their fault or not

Eurotrash · Jul 17, 2004, 07:28 AM

I agree with you on all three issues, but at least we try to prevent it from happening and when it does go wrong for some individuals, they are not afraid to come to the authorities for help, seeing it isn't our way to treat them as criminals

digerati · Jul 17, 2004, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Eurotrash
Actually it's eighth, that's three behind mine.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5678362

That article is including educational levels and life expectancy. I can downright admit we got A LOT of stupid spoiled people and too much junk food eaters which plummits our life expectancy waaaay down.

And Russia would've won, it would've taken a lot longer and cause more casualties.

Patton went in and cleaned house big time, but Russia would've eventually gotten their act together.

Still, why aren't you going off comparing Europe better to Japan? According to that they're even behind us hehe.

Nacht · Jul 17, 2004, 01:08 PM

I dont know where this stuff about the USA vs Russia comes from...but as far as THE WAR is concerned, The Soviets didnt really have a chance. America was so concerned about a missle gap that we failed to see realities. By 1960, we predicted the soviets would have 1000 ICBMs. When 1960 came, we thought they had around 56. They actually had 4. That's right. 4. We have the bombs

His point shows exactly why your "freedoms" to maim your own people dont put your country higher on the list. It is totally irrelevant. Drugs will screw you up. People all the time try to tell me that weed isnt as bad for you as tobacco. Go read some reports....tell me what you find.

GOG · Jul 17, 2004, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by OldBuzzard
Actually, in WWII, the Russians would have, at best, stalemated the Germans. The massive influx of arms from the USA , along with the Allied invasion of 'Fortress Europe' (which pulled German resourses away from the Eastern Front) gave the Soviets the 'edge' that they needed to go on the offensive against the Germans.

Even then, by the end of the war in Europe, the Soviets were still in very bad shape, and if Roosevelt and Churchill would have given Patton his 'wish' and allowed him to invade Russia, the world as we know it today would be a very diffferent place, as the Soviet Union would have been defeated. One can only speculate just WHAT it would look like today, but it would surely be a lot different that it is now.

This is the worst piece of American Propaganda so far in this forum.

When the allies invaded France, the Germans were practically already kicked out of the Soviet Union.

http://www.onwar.com/maps/wwii/eastf...1efrnt4344.htm

Or in other terms... Without the red army, you would have been crushed like bugs by the german army. They were superior to you in all areas, in military technology/tactics speaking. The russians had two things at their advantage that you didn't have.

1. Their numbers
2. The environment

Despite this enormous outnumbering vs. the german invader, they lost 10% of their population.

Please keep this propaganda and these outrageous lies to your history lessons in your schools in the future.

Noone outside your borders listen to you anyway.