M. Moore keeps gettin it wrong

Falstaff

The_Neon_Cowboy

I'm not surprised it a “propaganda” style film with but one purpose to smear the bush administration and help get his beloved Kerry elected. Half truths and things twisted took out of time an out of context.

If any one believes his film they must also believe the NAZI propaganda videos too, because they were at lest more accurate LOL…

Maybe people should look at the man’s Anti-Americanism, Speaking out against the US here and abroad. (But thats just what I read quite a while ago)

Judas

i haven't any issues what he's mentioned..... i just don't understand why everyone is in an uproar over it.... And i belieive it.... 100%? naa.... but i'll beleive it till it's fully out and out prooved wrong.... which i doubt will happen..

The_Neon_Cowboy

Because the movie was more for "entertainment purposes only" then it was factual.

Because he sells it as a documentary, instead of a fluff propaganda film leaving out facts, Putting spin on stuff, leaning on the fact that most people will blindly believe what he shows them and run out and vote for Kerry…

germanjulian

bush should go. moore should shut up and stop writting bull.

Judas

He shouldn't shutup... he's free to voice what facts he wants... and to make whatever he wants of it.... it doesn't matter what order or were they come from as long as they are factual in some form....even if they were pure BS... meh, so what....

bannerad

Speaking-out against injustice in one's own Government isn't anti-American. Christ, read the Constitution.

digerati

Speaking out against injustice, and making money lying to make the government look bad are two different things.

Nacht

He isnt speaking facts...that's the problem here. Want one big nice juicy example of the lies of Michael Moore? In this movie, he says something to the effect of:

"No Iraqi has ever killed an american, no Iraqi has ever plotted to hurt an American, Iraq hasnt supported the killing of Americans by others."

Which is obvious bullshit. Plain and simple bullshit.

mainman

Im sorry to intrude but, isnt America a democratic country? Dont americans have a right to free speech? I cant understand why the Fu*k people hate Moore so much, if you dont like the guy then just dont listen to him. Sheeezz

digerati

I didn't start this thread, but certain post members seek to glorify him, and some seek to tear him down, as long as there's a topic I'll post if I find I can add to the subject. I started a Michael Moore thread once, when I first saw Bowling For Columbine.

bannerad

So, you say it's lying... that's your opinion. I call Bush a liar, others say he got fudged intelligence. Can you prove Moore diliberately lied?

Snagle

You guys are distorting what Moore is actually doing. He has said many times that the movie is biased and that it's purpose is to help bush get beat in November. It gets put in the documentary category only because there isnt any other category for it (A more fitting category would be political commentary). There are barely any non-slanted documentaries because people who cover an issue usually feel one way or another about it because of what they've seen.

If he said that, that would be a lie obviously because millions of people in iraq and throughout the middle east hate america because of our arrogant foreign policy tactics in the last 60 years or so. It would be impossible to go to pre-war Iraq or any country in the region and find a town that didn't have people who would support the killing of americans. What Moore actually said though, is

This statement is %100 true. F9/11 is the most fact-checked movie of all-time; it had to be because Moore knew that if he slipped up at all the right wing would say "oh look he's a liar, it's all BS." Sure the movie is slanted against the Bush administration but that's what it's advertised as doing, and it does it well. It doesn't have any new information for people like me and others who have been paying attention since the 2000 election, but I think everyone, whether Republican or Democrat should see it.

He isn't lying and doesn't need to lie to make the government look bad, pay attention to what they say and don't take everything at face value and you'll see how they make themselves look bad. Regarding the part about making money, Moore has said he doesn't have a problem with people downloading F9/11 and distributing it as long as they don't profit from it. I think that alone makes it clear that Moore's main reason for making the movie is to expose the Bush administration so that they don't get re-elected, not to get rich.

digerati

I can prove he deliberately shades the truth. What someone said here about how Iraq never killed any US person, that isn't what Moore said. Moore said an iraqi never MURDERED, there's a difference, and when asked about it, he quoted himself and pointed out murder is different than killing. He knows what he's doing, even the lies he has he knows of.

The_Neon_Cowboy

Don't have to it's obvious... and the analists did some foot work already read the link in the 1st post...

bannerad

Everybody shades the truth. Accusing someone of lying is like accusing them of being human. It's a given.

The difference between murdering and killing as far as defination goes, is none. They are both deliberate acts, however, killing in self-defense isn't murder.

It's all opinion.

The_Neon_Cowboy

Just wondering killing some one with ther hands and feet bound self defense?

sneaking up to someone some one or a group of people and expodeing you self with a large amout of explosivses self defence?

sneaking up to someone some one in civillan clothes and then attacking them out of no were

NO-
NO-
NO-

Murder

bannerad

Can I have that in english, please?

dj_stick

it is in english… i can understand that clearly - what he is stating is that these terrorists are not acting in self defense at all

Falstaff

no hablo es neon?

The terrorists have risen above the status of thugs and criminals and seek more power, in a lawless world they live in, embracing the religion of thier forefathers and killing non muslims will certainly make it easier for them to survive in a theocratical movement. Even staunch muslims find it difficult to justify killing of any person muslim or not unless it is for the greater good of the faith or to defend what is dear. The justification is perverted, but in a world of peoples that cannot be tolerated because they are non muslim, it seems clear that one by one or in large numbers, the world must be purged of their influence, that includes us as well. And not all terrorists are illiterate either. Many extremists know the value of their education, and many of them recieved it in the west, are familiar with western customs, enjoyed years in the bosum of our universities and companies, now they too seek power.
Micheal Moore would have you to believe that Bush is incompetent and dangerous, he pokes fun at the very thing that actually gives him the personal latitude and freedom to make his movies, and that is the democracy that we all enjoy in the United States.
Pres. Bush for better or worse, is the right guy in charge right now. We need someone who is inflexible, and will not cow down to the entire world. Lets face it, through two larger wars during the last century, the world got it wrong. Bush, in the face of criticism and disention chose to act on the information that he had. M. Moore would have you believe that the Bush presidency was a vile construction and a house of cards, but not so. In fact, M. Moore has his own construction of falsehoods and lies. Did M. Moore act on the information he had and simply began stacking his arguments against Bush upon that..I suppose so. If M. Moore believes that his movie will seriously hamper Pres. Bush's re-election, then he is mistaken. If there was any chance that his movie could have done damaged Bush, it would have happened long ago.
The Hollywood left will have to re-examine the thrust of their movement, and see that clearly the movie should have been about Kerry, about the lies and falsehoods that are the fabric of his rise to power. If you look at Bush, you see the genuine article, if you see Kerry, you have to dig a little. M. Moore should have been more careful, should have checked the evidence, should not have acted so rash. Now history will judge him a fool.

JavaFox

I have a question for any Moore supporters here. I haven't watched the movie yet. I think it's important to, though, and when I get back to the US, I intend to.

First, a little bit of background. In the months following 9-11, Moore had said that Osama bin Laden deserved the benefit of doubt and was innocent until proven guilty. Now, though, in Fahrenheit 9-11, he is utterly convinced that OBL was behind the 9-11 attacks.

What changed his mind?

Falstaff

Honestly,
I think people give M. Moore tooo much credit. I think Osama Bin Laden is very very intelligent, a diabolical genius, why else would he have eluded prosecution. But that doesnt mean I think he deserves more than a noose or a 38 caliber bullet. Mr. Moore is a fool of the highest caliber that is all and compares with the likes of failed comedians and sordid standup comics, nothing more...and yes, I saw the movie.

bannerad

They're not? People invade their country in a bullshit war and occupy your land... Blow up your house, kill innocent children and mame the ones lucky enough to survive... What would you do? Sit there and watch, do nothing?

You know, the British called Americans terrorists too, because they used unconventional tatics to win their indenpendence.

bannerad

I think he was trying to make a point in his statement.

Falstaff