Polish Troops Find Sarin Warheads in Iraq !

RDoggy · Jul 3, 2004, 07:04 AM

Someone was trying to sell them for $ 5000. each . And the Poles got there first.
read about it here.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html

mkk · Jul 3, 2004, 04:29 PM

And? Just curious if you mean to say that there is a point in there somewhere.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 3, 2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by mkk
And? Just curious if you mean to say that there is a point in there somewhere.

That’s called WMD... Weapons of mass destruction...

You know the stuff we said was there and most everyone else said there was none

SO WMD has been found in IRAQ...

small amount or not people on the left can now begin eating thier words....

It shows there is still WMD there and it's up for cheap sale if terroist were to have gotten those muntions one could only imagine the horror

mkk · Jul 3, 2004, 06:53 PM

Yeah but this story is about about 20 years old munitions that were used in a war where everybody knew about what Saddam was using and the US accepted it. Not quite something that has anything to do with what kind of WMD are being looked after today. I guess that Fox did not choose to actively spin this further because they knew well enough that a large part of their viewers would do that for them.

RDoggy · Jul 4, 2004, 12:06 AM

lol I knew it would make a few libs whine thats the only reason i posted it.

digerati · Jul 4, 2004, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by mkk
Yeah but this story is about about 20 years old munitions that were used in a war where everybody knew about what Saddam was using and the US accepted it. Not quite something that has anything to do with what kind of WMD are being looked after today. I guess that Fox did not choose to actively spin this further because they knew well enough that a large part of their viewers would do that for them.

The point is he was supposed to destroy all weapons that could go a certain distance and ALL WMDS. Their age is not a factor. A 20 year old nuclear warhead is still a nuclear warhead.

I still don't think he was a major threat though, but now the Bush administration has something to show for all this time.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 4, 2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by mkk
Yeah but this story is about about 20 years old munitions that were used in a war where everybody knew about what Saddam was using and the US accepted it. Not quite something that has anything to do with what kind of WMD are being looked after today. I guess that Fox did not choose to actively spin this further because they knew well enough that a large part of their viewers would do that for them.

doesnt matter still proves two things:
* there was WMD there that was yet to be destroyed
*WMD was up for sale who know who has what now

Guidoo · Jul 4, 2004, 07:49 PM

Another reason we haven't heard more is due to the fact that the tests are still being run. The field test did indeed show a positive. But the field tests are designed to err on the side of safety. If and when the "official " lab tests are completed there will be more about it in the news .

a pre-emptive strike before some start whining about the "liberal media"

Guido

JavaFox · Jul 5, 2004, 02:31 AM

Again, who cares? I agreed with the premise that wars can be fought on the suspicion that Saddam Hussein had WMD. But that's not what the Bush Administration said. They never said that, hey, we should wage this war because Saddam might have weapons and that's not something we can risk. They said that Saddam had weapons and US intelligence knew where they were.

The fact that we've found some now is a coincidence. It doesn't change the fact that the truth was stretched.

Genius · Jul 5, 2004, 06:14 PM

Fox's news story was fabricated by the United States government who paid Poland to report it so as to give some measure of false justification to the war in Iraq.

Chew on that.

kp59583 · Jul 5, 2004, 07:44 PM

All the World intelligence agencys said he had WMD. Its a proven fact that everything the UN said to destroy wasn't. So if they weren't destroyed where are they. There still in Iraq hidden away and will continue to be found.

JavaFox · Jul 6, 2004, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by Genius
Fox's news story was fabricated by the United States government who paid Poland to report it so as to give some measure of false justification to the war in Iraq.

Chew on that.

Prove it.

Genius · Jul 6, 2004, 11:06 AM

Prove to me they found it.

digerati · Jul 6, 2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Genius
Prove to me they found it.

I'm sure they have pictures or videos. Other than that unless you can prove them wrong all you can do is be skeptic, that doesn't mean you have to spread your skepticism.

JavaFox · Jul 6, 2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Genius
Prove to me they found it.

I wasn't the one making a claim. What am I supposed to prove? You're the one making a claim -- the onus is on you.

So, again I ask, please prove that the US fabricated this story and gave it to Fox News.

Falstaff · Jul 6, 2004, 04:49 PM

I can say for a fact, that chemical weapons and containers used to store chemical munitions were found in 1991, I was there, we tested people exposed to smoke from burning munitions bunkers and we found mustard gas and nerve agents, we know from the official records the IRAQI military and government kept that equipment and products used to produce sarin were sold to them by the French, this is something you can google. And lets face it, the pictures and testimony of IRANIANS and KURDS that were exposed to various chemical agents...the world outcry.....

~~BMG_Cya=-~~ · Jul 6, 2004, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Genius
Prove to me they found it.

What a joke...

Guidoo · Jul 6, 2004, 07:40 PM

Well it looks like the foxnews story is in error, at least according to British PM Tony Blair.

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``I have to accept that we have not found them, that we may not find them,'' Blair told a committee of lawmakers Tuesday. ``We do not know what has happened to them. They could have been removed, they could have been hidden, they could have been destroyed.''

full story here

Guido

Nacht · Jul 6, 2004, 07:47 PM

other weapons have already been found, these dont matter. he used them against kurds, and iranians. why make such a big deal about these? saddam abused his people, and he deserves death.

Guidoo · Jul 6, 2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by rob13800
other weapons have already been found, these dont matter. he used them against kurds, and iranians. why make such a big deal about these? saddam abused his people, and he deserves death.

Because a large part of the reason given for going to war was that Iraq possed WMD and the US was in imminent danger . The abuse by Saddam is a matter of record, nobody can argue that. He used poison gas against the kurds in the late 80's and many other atocities. Finding a large cache of modern WMD or a facility to manufacture WMD would go a long way in helping the Bush administration (and the CIA) save face.

Guido

digerati · Jul 6, 2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Guidoo
Because a large part of the reason given for going to war was that Iraq possed WMD and the US was in imminent danger . The abuse by Saddam is a matter of record, nobody can argue that. He used poison gas against the kurds in the late 80's and many other atocities. Finding a large cache of modern WMD or a facility to manufacture WMD would go a long way in helping the Bush administration (and the CIA) save face.

Guido

Absolutely correct. Have you ever had Pizza at Guidoo's?

Nacht · Jul 7, 2004, 06:32 PM

Just because it would let them 'save face' does not justify a 'it was fake! the us planted it there! blah blah' response. Like he said, you are free to doubt, but a response like that is...well, childish and short sighted.

Guidoo · Jul 7, 2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by ^_^
Absolutely correct. Have you ever had Pizza at Guidoo's?

nah....I make my own..lol

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Just because it would let them 'save face' does not justify a 'it was fake! the us planted it there! blah blah' response. Like he said, you are free to doubt, but a response like that is...well, childish and short sighted.

rob...what are you talking about....I never stated anything was "fake" or planted..etc etc. I posted a link to news story abut Tony Blair stating that no WMD had been found (as of july 6 2004) and he went on to say that he didn't know if any WMD would ever be found.

The case made by the Bush administration presented as "fact" that Saddam/Iraq had WMD and that the US was in imminent danger because of this.

It would have been better if the case were made along the lines that Saddam continued to push/break UN resolutions, torture and murder.

So yes, finding WMD would go a long way in "saving face" for Pres Bush.

Guido

Nacht · Jul 7, 2004, 09:40 PM

Sorry that was genius who posted that, I just forgot

Sorry for the confusion

digerati · Jul 7, 2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by Guidoo
nah....I make my own..lol

...lucky..

Snagle · Jul 13, 2004, 11:12 PM

From what i've read, sarin has a shelf life of less than 5 years which makes these a threat to the US during the 80's. Wait a second, Saddam has never had the capability to come close to the US with any missiles! So these old useless shells that could have barely reached Israel when they were new have magically been spun into the tons upon tons of chemical weapons that Bush got so excited about during the 2003 state of the union address? The discovery of these definetly makes the deaths of over 900 US serviceman and tens of thousands of Iraqis all worth it! Hooray for war!