Political Affilliation Poll

sparky03

I would just like to get an idea of what everyone here on the PD considers themselves. Please take the time to cast a vote and add any comments that you would like on why you lean in one direction.

Nacht

Republican. Politically conservative, Religiously liberal, Socially moderate.

raid517

I don't hold with any of these definitions. I personally feel that the problem with only ever taking a single extreme position is that it is too easy to shut all other perspectives out - even when those perspectives may indeed appear sensible.

For example what is wrong with the concept that one can be fairly conservative on the economy, yet liberal towards civil liberties and freedoms (such as being pro-choice, in favour of gay marriage etc. etc.)? Why must one always feel the need to adopt one stereo typical perspective or another? In a true democracy the views of everyone should be equally represented (think of it in terms of power sharing based on your actual share of the vote) rather than always forcing one extreme perspective on everyone else, simply because the party you support just so happens to have won the most votes. That is not democracy, that's mob rule - and more often than not like all mob entities it can often be more of a force of destruction than of common/national unity.

It is a symptom of our corrupt political systems, that allows such outdated definitions to exist.

GJ

PoopyTheJ

You tell em Raid! I was a bit miffed myself over this poll, You can either be one of two things huh? There's no other ground? Moderate? Authoritarian? Libertarian? Hmm, since none of those poll options match me I can't pick one. Exactly what is the point of this poll when you're just using two false opposites?

JavaFox

Fiscally conservative, socially moderate, internationally neoconservative. Voted conservative, but the few options you've picked really are inadequate -- especially considering that "liberal" and "conservative" don't really have an internationally understanable meaning. An American liberal and a English liberal and a Japanese liberal are all pretty different animals.

krazy1

I can't really place myself in any one of those... Kind of middle of the road..

bird chest

Not a corrupt government. Just dumb voters if we gave other parties a chance it would become a much more pleasant presidential candidate. There are several parties in the US but nobody votes for them and people want to blame the government for that.

I also feel the list is limited. I am pretty concervative but on certain issues I become very liberal like enviroment.

raid517

Well that's where I think proportional representation should come in - because at least this way you are awarded a share of the power based on your actual share of the vote, as opposed to just an all out grab for power based one which single party obtains the most votes. That way smaller parties would be represented - and their voice would stand a much greater chance of being heard.

If you don't know what PR is, well what can I say? You know what to do....

GJ

bird chest

I know what it is and I know that Switzerland uses it. But I do not like it. Because super radicals get into power and pass laws that 99% of the country does not agree with.

raid517

Well isn't that the point of real democracy? That everybody's views are represented? Sure some laws would be passed that you might not agree with, but how many and how effectively they are enforced would depend on how large your slice of the cake was. There would also be many laws that you would agree with. In reality under these systems what tends to happen more often than not is that people are forced to compromise, so that you find a middle way between a variety of possibly (sometimes) extreme paths.

What you want is simple mob rule, where the people who have the most votes get to decide everything. That is what causes so many people in our society to loose interest in the political process because they feel that their voices are not being heard or represented. It wouldn't all go my way either, there might well be several laws that you supported that I wouldn't like - but hey I'm prepared to accept that in the name of fair representation - because that is the price you pay for living in a genuine democracy. But as I said, such extremes happen a lot less often under such systems. People often have no option but to compromise if they are to govern effectively - so more often than not, they do find a middle way.

GJ

pr0digal jenius

I think any who can lump all their ideals into a box and say they are "democrat" or "republican" isn't worthy of running a country as you hafta think outside the box to get anywhere

Nacht

well, if you say republican that typically means politically conservative. It's not saying you have unoriginal ideas or motives, it's just showing the basis for what you try to work torwards.

Spader

It is a poll for Americans.

Some people think the internet is only habitated by Americans.


Spader

Roadee

I dont see where you get that from You dont have to be American to be conservative or liberal......that sounds like a bunch of BS to me.........but after all......you are entitled to your opinion.....and I am excercising my right to not agree with it.

Oh.......and I couldn't vote either......no option for Independant


If anyone would like to come up with a better list.....or would like this list edited....just let me know what would be a more appropriate list. I know I would like to add my preference to it.

Falstaff

CONSERVATIVE.......nuff said (resistance is futile)

Spader

Well since your reply is even more bullshit i figure were even then.

What im talking about is that the poll has excluded any kind of leftwing leanings.None of ther alternatives are leftwing in any manner.The democrats may be consisdered as leftwing by republicans but in a global perspective they are not and the internet is so far not american as far as i know.







Spader

raid517

Man I thought you were going to be nice - and that maybe you would get the message about arguing the topic rather than just attacking other posters for the sake of it.

Is this really and truly a concept that is beyond you?

I'm not American - but even to me it's pretty damn clear that The Internet is not exclusively American. No one here has ever claimed it was.

Try to keep things civil. It's not much to ask.

GJ

Roadee

You might find this interesting Conduct Rules Also let me know if you see anything in there that directly pertains to you.........

Falstaff

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Well since your reply is even more bullshit i figure were even then. What im talking about is that the poll has excluded any kind of leftwing leanings.None of ther alternatives are leftwing in any manner.The democrats may be consisdered as leftwing by republicans but in a global perspective they are not and the internet is so far not american as far as i know.

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bovine excrement notwithstanding, if you simply have to put things into perspective, democrats are in fact not "leftwing" or "right wing", these are partisen labels that allow us seperate the two schools of thinking about the direction of our politcal machine, but excludes the majority, the "middle" ground or the balanced thinkers. I was once a social democrat, but I saw inequities on both sides, and favor the "right" simply because I feel it is more realistic, doe eyed optimisum is the province of the young and the foolish and the naive. I am older and more realistic, and know full well how far away this world is from the basic necessities, food, water, shelter and how many cateridges you have in your gun belt or your holster. Strip all of us of the modern conventions and desires and you have the basic formula for success, go with the money, the power and the strength of your country and its political machine, so I guess you could dimiss the left or the right in popular political jargon, merely go with who is making the country stronger, bigger, richer and forgoe the pretentiouis and unrealistic youth, for they have no concept of the struggle for life and the pursuit of happiness, our youth live for today, and dont give a damn about the years of struggle and sacrifice that it took for this country to have achieved what it has in terms of military, economic and political power. So dismiss the press, dismiss the rantings of the hollywood left and check your bank statements and build your opinions on your own successes.

pr0digal jenius

so young...so angry..DAMN THAT RAP MUSIC!!!!!

and as for "left wing"...what else do you wanna see on there? the poll pretty covers everything except nonpartisan that exists in america

Spader

The problem with that is that even if the right manages to make a nation richer thay always without exception see to it that only a small portion of the population gets the large part of the fruits .

The medication prescribed by the neo conseravatives since the Heydays of their godfather Rwagan and their Godmother Thatcher is to see to it that you get a VERY big middleclass a small upperclass and a class of rightless and totally cracked class..who pays the cost for having a large happy middleclass.

The differences between hi and low get higher the further to the right you get.

Now...as far as im concerned that is a problem disregarding what is realistic or not.Some societys of today has a smaller gap between up and down than what you have in Usa and are still productive and competetive.That is not thanks to rightwing ideology.



Spader

Spader

Im 50 and i dont listen to rap music.Rap music is old and tired music.It was fresh 20 years ago and at that time it had something to say.Today it says...im the baddest badass ever..and it repats this over and over and over which gets boring if you ask me.

Well the alternative socialist could have been there since a very large part of this globes population are socialists in some form.

Spader

Falstaff

disagree Spader, it damn sure is....without quesiton, even in Sweden...lol

Spader

Why has the differences in salaries between the rich and the less rich increased the last 20 years in both Europe and Usa?



I read somewhere that the difference in income between the ones "up there" and the onmes "down there" today is as big in Usa as they were in the twenties and that they were not at all similar in the fifties and sixties when salaries were less divided.A time most people also here looks uopn as a pretty good economic period.

It is at least true for Europe that the last twenty years of liberal economoc politcs initiated by the influence by such notabilities as Milton Friedman and carried out by governments like Thatchers have created larger gaps between the population.

That is of course a good thing if one feels that competition should have this as a result.

I dont.............and i know by experience that a more equal society is fully capable of competing when it comes to development,trade,culture..etc etc etc.



Spader