Nick Berg Video Discussion - READ THE FIRST POST

JoyStick

Among other reasons, yes.

Israel is quite a big player in the whole "operation iraqi freedom" war.


However, terrorism is small potatoes... We wouldn't have to worry about it as much if we'd sever ties with Israel, and worry about our own country, instead of a third world cesspool like Israel.


Plus, it's wasting billions of tax dollars just to keep them satisfied.



I don't think anyone could deny that America would be a much happier place if we booted the zionists out of office. Don't you agree?

Proper Gander

well, I think the opinion that Islamic Fundementalist Terrorists have of the U.S. is based on more than who our allies are. they have a hate for our very way of life, our freedoms make us the "great devil" and we need to be vanquished, according to their religious views.

EDIT: you added "However ..." as I was replying

PoopyTheJ

C'mon, we're free, they're what? Enslaved, so they hate us and want to get us enslaved? I don't think there's much hate for our freedoms, perhaps hatred of our activities around the globe, our freedoms hardly. And as for what capitalism, who's capitalist? The US is more socialist than anything and other countries lean more towards totalitarian socialism than capitalism.

JoyStick

Nah, I wasn't speaking of terrorism as a result of who we're allied with, but rather, because of who we are allied with...

Israel started this whole shitstorm in the first place.

Proper Gander

got lost in the stuffle from the edits:

are you against having allies in general, or just against having Israel as an ally?

I don't think the happiness of America depends on whether Israel is an ally or not, but rather on topics like inflation, education, defense, etc.

JoyStick

allies in general are fine.

Allies that constantly start wars are not.

Especially not when they're meaningless morons that think they're chosen by God, and that somehow makes them better than the people keeping them alive.

PoopyTheJ

Israel is hardly an allie, lets just say they survive from their parasitism. They'd run somewhere else in a heartbeat as soon as the US loses it's pre-emininent place, look up the USS Liberty I think it was.

Proper Gander

you kinda said the same thing there twice, but anyway...
I don't think dropping Israel will stop terrorism from Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists. their religion would still deem us "the great devil"
not enslaved, but religious. we are a great corrupt society in their eyes, sinners of the greatest degree. stop sinning and accept fundementalist Islam as the one true way, or die.
that would be from a political point of view, sure.
but I'm talking about IFT's here, they care about religion, not politics.

Proper Gander

why in your opinion, is the US allies with Israel? it sounds like there's no good reason, the way you put it.

JoyStick

POP QUIZ



Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear
nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of
other
nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of
United
Nations Security Council resolutions?
A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the
international
borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and
naval
gunfire?
A: Israel.

Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins
into
other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes
called
exporting terrorism)?
A: Israel.

Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military
officers
admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers
who
have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and
refuses
to
allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to
people
whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
A: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United
Nations
diplomat assassinated?
A: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the
assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic
facility
in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing
33
and
wounding 177 American sailors?
A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard,
to
steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet
Union?
A: Israel.

Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard,
then
voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the
American
president grant Pollard a full pardon?
A: Israel.

Q: What country on planet earth has the second most powerful lobby
in
the
United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of
Washington
insiders?
A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United
Nations
Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by
U.S.
vetoes?
A: Israel.

Q: What country is the United States threatening to bomb
because "U.N.
Security Council resolutions must be obeyed?"
A: IRAQ.


You tell me...



However, I suspect it has a great deal to do with all the jews in political power in the US today are also Israeli citizens. Former spokesman for the Bush administration Ari Fleischer is, and so are Paul Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Adelman, Satloff, Kissinger, Luttwak, Feith, Zakheim, Abrams, Grossman, Haass, Zoelick, Schlesinger, Sembler, Chertoff, Bolton, Greenspan, Goldsmith, Golden, Gersten, Gildenhorn, Weinberger, Bodman, Cohen, Davis, Bloomfield, Lefkowitz, Frum, Melman, Blakeman...all Jewish and all running things in Washington. Names from today's newspapers.

Even Colin Powell has a jewish forebear; he grew up in a jewish neighborhood and speaks Yiddish (didn't know that, did you?). His family was shabbas goy for the jews (did their forbidden work on the sabbath).

Proper Gander

that list was long, but didn't answer anything
I see.

JoyStick

What do you see?

Proper Gander

I see your thoughts on "why in your opinion, is the US allies with Israel? it sounds like there's no good reason, the way you put it."

JoyStick

Alright, we saw the same thing, then.

bird chest

You make it sound as if Isreal started every single war. They were attacked before this era and had to fight ended up winning and tool land which the world forced them to give back. After being at war so many times you are going to get a military oriented government. The arabs have no body to blame but themselves for what is going on in the world. The same way the US pays for our mistakes through terrorism.

bluelight

Yeah...And your suggestion is what?




Bluelight

PoopyTheJ

Well, if we didn't supply Israel with everything they have this wouldn't be an issue. Israel would be in no shape to fight the Arabs and it'd get worked out. As it is of course we prop up israel so they cannot be beaten and can continue to prove themselves a torture device for the arabs. Get out of there let them work it out.

JoyStick

Dual Citizens should not be allowed in the government...

In-fact, dual citizenship should not be allowed, period.

Ameirca is not some new weapon that can kill anything in sight. We're not some machine of war, but that's how we're being used...

Israel gets shot at a few times, they call in the America to blow the jesus out of the arabs. No, that's not right.




@Bird Chest - I came across this site a while ago, while grazing the google news (for no apparent reason), and it appeared that the ADL was trying to force google to remove this site from their top 5, or 10, or whatever.


Anyway, they got their wish, but they also publicized the site.

Well, I figured I might as well take a peek, and it was somewhat crazy to read what was on the site.


You want info on how israel/jews are responsible for a lot of wars?

Go here - www.jewwatch.com


Also, this is about WWII, but it's an excellent, and valid source of information.


http://www.white-history.com/hwr64iv.htm

JavaFox

All the world's problems must seem so easy to solve when you so utterly lack a sense of morality and a concern for the sanctity for human life.

Jochen_Peiper

How about we mind our own business, and concern ourselves with our domestic problems here in the U.S.A.? How about we stop distracting ourselves, and trying to act like the World's policeman, and concentrate on our moral problems here, and the quality and sanctity of life in OUR OWN NATION!

bluelight

Jewwatch?

I mean are you kidding?

Bluelight

JoyStick

Biased it may be, but can you prove them wrong?

bluelight

Yeah i probably could because all you will find at that site is bullshit .But....i wouldnt waste 1 seconds on it.

Just like i dont spend time examining dogshit.

Bluelight

JoyStick

Err... I think he just said, "JoyStick, I know you're right, and it goes against everything I believe, so I'll just insult them, and not provide any information to discredit them"


But, I may be wrong.




Also... Examining dogshit has no relevancy in this topic...

However, I don't think you'd examine the feces even if it had your wifes 45,000 gold ring in it.

That's relevant to this topic.

bluelight

Im saying that the site to which you just posted a link is a bullshit Nazi site.

Nothing else.

And it is worth no more..no less than dogshit and that is expressing it ligtly compared to the stuff you find at that site.

Wife?

Bluelight

JoyStick

Right.. Wife.. What was I thinking?


I'd highly expect anyone (even an extreme "GREEN PEACE" hippie) to atleast point out SOME error before calling it dogshit..

I mean, come on. I don't know anything about these guys, but your claims of them being nazis, and evil, and dogshit, etc etc just aren't making me hate them anymore, so, please, atleast put to rest SOMETHING they said.