Petrol prices + protests + conservatives!!!

tastyweat · Jun 2, 2004, 04:06 PM

This situation is getting rediculous!!!

It was the conservative government who initially decided to increase the tax (quite alot) on petrol a while back!

And now they are *supporting* the anti-price rise protests!!!!

Talk about oportunism!!! They are only supporting it so that they get voted in next time around!!!

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tbh - it would be far better if the tax were put ONLY on petrol - people are driving over from abroad and using our roads without paying the tax that we do!!! If we go abroad - we're stopped by toll roads all over the place and their tax on their petrol, thus they should forget about car tax and put more tax on petrol!!! That would be fairer for everyone - there are people out there who barely use their cars and are paying the same amount as people who do tens of thousands of miles a year!!! It's not right!

**MIG-31** · Jun 2, 2004, 04:16 PM

typical conservatives...... never have and never will vote for them.but whatever is said it is still "Tony Blair's" fault accourding to them.

just as IDS and William Hague done.jumped onto the bandwagon once again.

the last protests were not exactly protests.how come peaople were cueing up for the petrol if it were a peoples protest.

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 2, 2004, 04:19 PM

How much is the equivalent of one liter gasoline?

Where i am it is about 1.25 dollars.

Is there a reason for me to feel sorry for you for you prices?

Bluelight

**MIG-31** · Jun 2, 2004, 04:32 PM

it vary's from station and areas etc.

PoopyTheJ · Jun 2, 2004, 04:38 PM

Europe still pays more for gas but we're catching up, when your running out of oil you gotta get the most bang for the buck. In the Us we pay typically if it's $1.25/litre there, we are paying roughly .$.57/liter here, if my math is right. But you know when you guard every pumping station in the world you kinda deserve the employee discount.

Vampyromaniac · Jun 2, 2004, 04:53 PM

Isn't the UK a net exporter of oil? Why are the prices so high?

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 2, 2004, 06:15 PM

The prices in Europe are high for several reasons.

One is we have a larger tax financec social sector.

Another is we tax fuel for environmental reasons.

Usa will sooner or later have to do so too.For environmental reasons that is.

Bluelight

GutterPunk · Jun 2, 2004, 07:38 PM

I wont complain untill i pay over 2.00 a gallon right now im close @ 1.93

when it hits 2... i refuse to buy... which means get a bike and move closer to college

This petro rise is rediculous... was it senator kerry who voted for the increase (.50) yah... bullshit i say tax alcohol more and take off from gas.... alcohol kills so many ruins so many lives and destroys families etc.... or make marijuana legal and tax that shit to death and bring in extra bux.... man in places u make 10-20k a year as an average and your on a farm... u cant help but to use gas... im sorry buto ver time we will be shut down, or inflate to some very rediculous prices

bird chest · Jun 2, 2004, 10:28 PM

Well where I live it is the worst in the US. It is $2.30 here. I am not mad about the prices because they will finally get all those stupid suburbans off the street. Americans whine about how high gas prices are but they wont buy more fuel effecient cars.

Guidoo · Jun 3, 2004, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by bird chest
Well where I live it is the worst in the US. It is $2.30 here. I am not mad about the prices because they will finally get all those stupid suburbans off the street. Americans whine about how high gas prices are but they wont buy more fuel effecient cars.

I'm afraid California....at least the Los Angeles and San Diego area have that beat. I just got back from a visit, gas (petro) is about $2.65-$2-85. There are reports that the San Francisco area is at $3.00. This is still cheap compared to the rest of the world.

I agree that the US as whole needs to look at more fuel efficient cars. Also our highway infrastructure needs to be looked at and few citys have a viable mass transit system. These things cost money but in the long run I believe the cost would be worthwhile in terms both fuel consumption and our enviornment.

Guido

Falstaff · Jun 3, 2004, 07:08 AM

I lived in Japan years ago, and paid an enormous price for fuel, I think Americans are spoiled really, Driving is a privelege, and we are at the mercy of Oil companies, driver more efficient vehicles and drive slower is my motto. Alternative forms of energy are already out there, we should exploit them, fossil fuels wont last forever, and we should focus on hydrogen technology and push the need for a greener safer energy consuming world

tastyweat · Jun 3, 2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Isn't the UK a net exporter of oil? Why are the prices so high?

tax

Al_Vampyre · Jun 3, 2004, 09:46 AM

Yep on unleaded petrol we pay almost 75% tax...don't start me!

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 3, 2004, 10:09 AM

Yeah and that is a good thing for the environment.Usa should have the same high taxation.
The global heating is a fact and it is not gonna get funnier as time passes but maybe people will understand when all Africans escape to Europe and all Mexicans to Usa because their land turns inhabitable.

That is probably what it takes to get people out of their cars...but by then its too late.

Bluelight

GutterPunk · Jun 3, 2004, 05:41 PM

im sorry but man, we have became so dependant, with buildings so far apart, driving is almost a necessity. but if we cant drive everywhere i guess down with wal mart destroying small towns/businesses. We may be forced to live back in time, when quality actually means something. Its not oil companies its wal mart

j/k but i think wal mart is a contributor to some of our problems way off topic but i dsilike them much

bird chest · Jun 4, 2004, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Guidoo
I'm afraid California....at least the Los Angeles and San Diego area have that beat. I just got back from a visit, gas (petro) is about $2.65-$2-85. There are reports that the San Francisco area is at $3.00. This is still cheap compared to the rest of the world.

I agree that the US as whole needs to look at more fuel efficient cars. Also our highway infrastructure needs to be looked at and few citys have a viable mass transit system. These things cost money but in the long run I believe the cost would be worthwhile in terms both fuel consumption and our enviornment.

Guido

Hey guess where I live.

I live in LA just so you know

Vampyromaniac · Jun 4, 2004, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by Al_Vampyre
Yep on unleaded petrol we pay almost 75% tax...don't start me!

pr0digal jenius · Jun 4, 2004, 06:06 AM

thank god atlanta has some fo the cheapest gas in the country

**Asmoday** · Jun 4, 2004, 06:16 AM

Well.. the petrol prices here in Sweden sucks!! Especially when you live in the north of Sweden, because we have very long distances and very poor public transportations...I know i couldn't get by without a car..

**dj_stick** · Jun 4, 2004, 06:42 AM

the prices in AUS usually don't break AU$1.00 per litre very often

PoopyTheJ · Jun 4, 2004, 11:30 AM

*wants a hybrid electric/gas car*

tastyweat · Jun 4, 2004, 12:40 PM

I'm waiting for the water powered cars to take off - they're just too expensive to be implemented atm - plus one large tank barely makes 100 miles - burns off the hydrogen - so you get water given off + some other stuff - I think oxygen free radicals - I'm not sure of the workings - much better for the environment than petrol though

bird chest · Jun 4, 2004, 12:49 PM

But the problem with fuel cells and every other type is that you have to manufacture what they run on and how do you manufacture it? You will still need fossil fuels but hopefully just less of it.

tastyweat · Jun 4, 2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by bird chest
But the problem with fuel cells and every other type is that you have to manufacture what they run on and how do you manufacture it? You will still need fossil fuels but hopefully just less of it.

water power generators... from dams and things.... then.... if it can be done in a car engine - then there can be other forms of generator made from it surely!!! on a larger scale too... we would need fossil fuels to get the infrastructure set up - but would hopefully be able to cease or at least minimise their usage at some point in the next century or so

and the things I was talking about is they actually run on water - that doesn't need to be manufactured... it may need to be distilled though

PoopyTheJ · Jun 4, 2004, 01:33 PM

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hydrogen-economy.htm Good read on converting the energy needs of the world from Fossil Fuels to Hydrogen, and it's been done before, check out Chris Dunns website here http://www.gizapower.com/.