This is sad: Carlie Brucia Found Dead

BWX

I don't blame the girl either, but I am very suspicious of the poor girl's family. They are sketchy people, they look like crack heads, sound like illiterates, and the girl did not have a stable life. Basically, the innocent child is once again the victim of the more powerful, and that includes the legal system that let this scum bag that has been arrested 13 times since 1993 walk the streets allowing him access to her.

EDIT
I almost forgot, her mother and the killer frequented the same bar. I wonder what will become of that?

GOG

Why is that? Doesn't your army kill innocent people and children?

krazy1

You mean you are going to try to put war under the same rules as we have to follow in every day society?? War has NEVER followed the rules of every day society and never will so there is NO WAY you can compare the killing of innocent people in a war to this situation. It is 2 totally different things. If you are saying that War and every day society should follow the same rules then every soilder in every war that ever was should be in prison. Give me a break... I don't know what cave you are living in but it is time to come out and see reality.

Markius

We cannot blame the Judge. That Judge couldn't put the guy in prison as the parole officer didn't have the necessary proof for his statements, sorry folks but a Judge has to follow the law regardless of personal feelings. This guy is a freak and we cant blame a Judge, the Porn Industry or anyone else. He deserves to rot in jail at best. As for the comments about jail being too cushy, i agree 100% as for this- "no cable, basic TV is fine." sorry ^_^ but i totally disagree..NO F@#*ING TV, NO RADIO, NO ANYTHING, jails should be a punishment not a holiday and thats what it is for most of this scum...a holiday.
I too have children and if it was my child, like krazy1 said....theyd have to lock the scum up damn fast because if i caught up with the little pussy he wouldn't walk away.

rant over...breath Markius...Breath

BWX

Why is that? Can't you figure it out?

If you can't tell the difference between a rapist/ murderer walking the same streets as a teenage girl and a war zone where every singe armed force in the world has at one time or another caused collateral damage (as unfortunate as it might be), then I really can't help you understand it.

Obviously some people here at DH want nothing more than to turn every single thread into a flame war zone. This was a thread about a poor little girl who was senselessly murdered and somehow GOG turns it into an attack on the US military.


Hmm, lets see, I'm just trying to figure the train of thought here:

"Forget about the little girl who lost her life, let's find a way to shamelessly use the news of her death as a springboard for my political agenda."


That's exactly what I just saw, we aren't talking about the US military in this thread are we? Or did I miss something?

If someone made these comments in this context as a political candidate, they would have just lost the election, that is how offensive twisting the murder of a child to one's own agenda really is....

Disgusting. On a web forum or real life

In real life you would have more problems though, probably physical problems if on the streets of the USA
Think about what you are saying.

BWX

He has been arrested 13 times since 1993 if I heard right- by law the Judge should have put him in jail for many other offenses, one of which was kidnapping or abduction!

I'll get links to show.

BluntmaN

You cant actually know why he was out after being arrested 17 times (how many times was he charged?). Unless you read every transcript in every trial you cant say who it is to blame for that nut. It seems that your feelings towards the girl have switched off your logic people.
Now for those who say the death penalty ok I wont go there there is too much emotion for a debate. But some of the views are a bit extreme.
No TV and radio in prison? Why? Both radio and TV are not considered luxuries they are needed so that the inmates can be entertained. Make jails hell for them? Why? Are you forgeting the purpose of prisons in the first place? They are there to correct. Justice is not revenge never has been never will be (unless you are Jewish and still believe in an eye for an eye bullshit).
You cant treat all people in prison the same as with this f@ck some inmates are there because they made a mistake, others are sometimes innocently convicted and many times people are sent in jail coz they cant pay a simple $1000 fine.

And as for those who think prisons cost the tax payer too much money let me give you a bit of advice from the liberal side. Stop wasting millions on the war on drugs (sounds like Vietnam) and give this money to schools in poor and drug struck neibourghoods. Education beats crime not 0 tolerance.

GOG

I don't flame you, I just state facts. I was answering a person who thought that ALL murderers should be executed in public.

GOG

When a country performs an unsanctioned invasion on very loose grounds, you can compare them. Actually, there are rules for behavior in war too and none of them speaks for the killing of civilians or children.

blade5545

GOG by reading your previous statments I can see that you would become statistic very quickly in a war. In a war you dont care if its man, woman, or a child holding the gun and yes kids do fight in wars, what you care about is that you want to live and that somebody is trying to kill you. Let me present this you if you were a solider in a war and you have 10 year old kid which doesnt speak your language pointing a gun at your head would you defend yourself and kill the kid or would you let the kid kill you its a simple question of life and death, would you or would you not,you have no time to anylyze it, you have no time to think about it c'mon act on pure instinct and lets see if you live or die. Dont compare soldiers to murders, war is totally diffrent ballgame.

digerati

I say basic tv because there's only so much you can do in a prison, if they don't at least have some tv I would hate to think what they'd do for amusement then.

GOG

I don't talk about armed children here, I talk about innocent civilians getting in the way of your bullets in their own coutry.

Markius

yeah after i got my breath back from my rant i thought about it a little
tv for low security prisons...for white collar or "soft" crimes.....nothing for the lifers.

BluntmaN

Glad I brought some of you back I thought I lost you.

BWX

It is proven that they do not correct, and aren't set up to correct- they are there for punishment, and to protect the people from the nutjob criminal in there.

BluntmaN

How is this proven exactly?

BWX

Statistics prove it.

digerati

Statistics done by police departments, groups with no law enforcement ties, and just a common knowledge out here, especially in ghettos. A prison is supposed to be a punishment, a hospital or institution is there for correction.

A child rapist set free supposedly has a 2/3 chance of raping a child again which is why there are organizations out there run by parents that will notify neighborhoods if a child rapist moves in there.

BluntmaN

Well I feel sorry for you but here in the UK the number of people "corrected" by prison is actually quite high. Off course I am not refering to murders or child rapists but normal "small time" criminals do have the potential to change if the right education and treatment is provided. The issue is that retraining and changing peoples lifestyle costs too much to be implemented in a large scale.

BWX

Most people come out of prison allot worse off than when they went in, and it's still their own damn fault.

bluelight

No it is your fault (Us population as a whole) for having a medieval wiew on crime and its reasons and the unwillingness tyo take responsability for society as a whole.

Prisons are a part of such a responsability.You have sold out this responsability to the lowest bidder....which of course has as result that results are negative since results cost money and effort (just as in your "market rules heaven")

On top of that......having the priciple that all "punishment"..is punishment for punishments sake......is psycologically one of the most moronic ways to achive humanistic and economic result.

The horse will will only run faster for a short period of time when whipped.It will then fall and die...but that is probably what you want ..but then...dont whine about it costing you money.

Medieval is also your wiew on the death sentence and you are today sharing it practically only with non developed thirdworld countries and dictatorships.

Bluelight

raid517

Its probably cheaper for them to just top them all blue. The way crime is in the US, if they didn't there would probably be a prison in almost every neighborhood. :P

I am just jesting of course. Well kinda...

GJ

BWX

"The horse will will only run faster for a short period of time when whipped.It will then fall and die...but that is probably what you want ..but then...dont whine about it costing you money."


We don't whip them , and we don't need them to run fast, only sit and think about that child they rapped and/or murdered, that money they stole, that life/ family they wrecked, etc.....



Hmm, your system doesn't work that great either- in fact ours works better.... Yup get ready to be surprised at your crimerate compared to ours, (UK, europe)


These are the last measurable REPORTED crimerates.. We all know that in the US sometimes our crimerates are even exagerated, and in general crime is not tolerated, and police work hard to catch the bad guys.


US as of 2001 has LOWER INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME RATE THAN AUSTAILIA and UK..


Yes - you heard me..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902



Britain, Australia top U.S.
in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures

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By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:


The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;

"After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.

England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.

The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).