George Bush

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 15, 2003, 09:48 PM

What exactly do you mean by "going on with it".

Do you mean letting it continue without doing a thing about it?

Also mainman thanks for the info, i didnt know we lost the war. Maybe if Portugal amassed its huge army of 20 they could have won right? Vietnam is a different story, Democrats started and enhanced that war, and they shy away from it.

TonyMonTana · Nov 15, 2003, 09:49 PM

YOUR QUOTE "I'd like to go back to the good ol' Churchill days were the English people actaully had spines"

I was pointing out that we have put up with much and come threw it all, when the IRA were bombing week in week out we had courage and we had bottle, so when u say we had spines, we still do, nothings changed.

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 15, 2003, 09:54 PM

You guys are just preeching to the choir so my continuing this discussion is pointless. I just want you guys to actaully think what it would be like without America. Be honest with yourselves.

ToshiroOC · Nov 16, 2003, 02:14 AM

If you feel like using pointlessly inflammatory language and insults, do it here, not in a thread of debate. If you have a problem with this, tough, keep the crap out of real debates. I don't want to see this again.

I left as many posts as I thought had significant political content without pointless insulting - I could have easily deleted everything that wasn't polite debate, and I'm still tempted to. Please keep it civil or still your mouth.

UsDeadPool · Nov 16, 2003, 02:39 AM

EDIT: KINETIC SUPERMODERATOR.

This post has already been moved by a Moderator to the Flame Warzone.

ToshiroOC · Nov 16, 2003, 05:44 AM

UsDeadPool, read your PMs. You can post your views, just you can't insult the other users in here, as I explained in the PM.

FuNsTeR · Nov 16, 2003, 10:03 AM

ok folks i started this thread for genuine debate .... not for it to turn into a flame ... their is another section for flame posts , post them their not here

UberLord · Nov 17, 2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Totally, totally, irrelevant, and by no standard can our embargo of Cuba be considered illegal. The EU's embargo, on the other hand, is clearly illegal by WTO standards.

Relevant to your point about an illegal embargo. Which could be demeed irelevant to the origonal topic. Of course, I totally forgot your views about the UN, hence making it legal from your perspective.

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But it's a lot easier to point out faults of other countries than to actually buckle down and defend your own, isn't it?

Pot -> Kettle -> black my friend
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I was defending my own country with my first post?

Besides, in this forum I tend to post my views regardless of my country of origin as my views are my own and not necessarily the same as my countries/EU's. Patriotism has little place in politics. The fact that so many people here put a lot of patriotism in their political debates makes the entire debating process pretty much useless imho.

Al_Vampyre · Nov 17, 2003, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Sounds extraordinarily fair! "End your taxes on our steel, but we won't end our ban on your produce!"

That would be a vid point Java if the EU was banning all US food products...they are not...just the GM ones.

BluntmaN · Nov 18, 2003, 02:09 AM

Its a power strugle but on this one we already won you see even if the EU allows gm food in europe nobody is going to buy it. I see this thing all the time people who affect the markets (the spenders) don't like 3 foot apples and tomatoes made of steel I saw a public market in Glasgow today tomatoes cost 3 quid and they were from france and people bought them cuz they were organic.
It is madness I mean I missed the organic train but GM food? Come on if it is clearly marked as GM then no one will buy, its like buying Milk from Hiroshima FFS.

GOUND ZERO MILK

ENRICHED WITH CALSIUM(0.2%) AND KESIUM(15%)

BUY 10 WIN A TUMOR.

kp59583 · Nov 19, 2003, 12:00 PM

Ok people sometimes the people of this planet needs to get together to get rid of a madman. We and Britain government had the guts to do it. Remember he killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. If they don't find WMD who cares. The madman is out of power. Remember Hitler,Stalin,POl Pot and don't forget good oh Mao. If the world had gotten rid of them before they killed millions the world would be a lot nicer place than it is today. And I'm not a warmonger. Its just that sometimes you have to fight to maintain peace and to stop the madmen from killing there own people.

Al_Vampyre · Nov 19, 2003, 12:14 PM

No-ones saying a war wasn't necessary but it should have been a multilateral decision - not a unilateral one and it should have been carried out under the auspices of the UN and not just because Bush wanted it to make him look good

kp59583 · Nov 19, 2003, 04:46 PM

How many people being killed does it take before the UN gets off its rear end and does something. Remember Yugoslavia? They took there time going into there and a number of people were killed and raped. So how many people have to die before the UN to does something?

BluntmaN · Nov 23, 2003, 05:21 AM

This depends really I mean a few millions die everyday by US supported mass killer just like sadam and bin laden but unless the US allows it nothing happens.

America Umber Ales.

PoopyTheJ · Nov 23, 2003, 12:35 PM

True, you can be a mass murdering dictator just so long as you do what the US tells you. As soon as you think you can do what you want without the US pulling you're strings is when your usefulness ends and the bombs start falling, or we just remove you from office, well if the CIA can handle it they do, venezuela anyone?

BluntmaN · Nov 25, 2003, 04:01 AM

AMERICAN CRIMES LIST v0.1:
Native Americans
Hiroshima -Nagashaki
Cuban embargo (continued)
Vietnam
Iran
Afganistan vs the russians (trained Bin Laden nice job!!!!)
Somalia
Panama
Venezuela
Greek dictatorship
USSR
Iraq
Cyprus occupation

anyone have any suggestions please add them

PoopyTheJ · Nov 25, 2003, 11:40 AM

update to V1.0
Kennedy Cover-UP
9/11
Oklahoma City
Randy Weaver
Waco, Texas
Radiation Testing
Project MKULTRA

FuNsTeR · Nov 25, 2003, 01:08 PM

Campbodia "pol pot"
El Salvador
Nicuragua "Contras"
Chile "Pinochet"
Iran "the Shah"
Isreal

PoopyTheJ · Nov 26, 2003, 12:42 AM

Forgot the USA PATRIOT Act.
Oh yeah and Guantanamo Bay.

digerati · Nov 26, 2003, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by gaborn415
update to V1.0
Kennedy Cover-UP
9/11
Oklahoma City
Randy Weaver
Waco, Texas
Radiation Testing
Project MKULTRA

I feel some of those more than questionable.

PoopyTheJ · Nov 26, 2003, 03:44 PM

Questionable? You're right the list should be HIGH crimes.

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 26, 2003, 03:52 PM

There was no cover up, stop with the Anti-American bullshit. Go shit in a hole.

PoopyTheJ · Nov 26, 2003, 07:40 PM

No cover-up. Oh thanks, I don't know what I was thinking, our Government is lilly white and pure as the mountain spring I forgot, it's those damn shape-shifting evil-doers we're after, yeah yeah.

digerati · Nov 27, 2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by gaborn415
No cover-up. Oh thanks, I don't know what I was thinking, our Government is lilly white and pure as the mountain spring I forgot, it's those damn shape-shifting evil-doers we're after, yeah yeah.

At least give a more "credible" site to support your claims. Because if that site can find out such a "true" thing then there must be many more who are more "trustworthy"

PoopyTheJ · Nov 27, 2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by ^_^
At least give a more "credible" site to support your claims. Because if that site can find out such a "true" thing then there must be many more who are more "trustworthy"

What? Oh my other post, I guess I'd rather know up front the bias of my news sources rather than have them lie about it, Fox CBS et al.

digerati · Nov 27, 2003, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by gaborn415
What? Oh my other post, I guess I'd rather know up front the bias of my news sources rather than have them lie about it, Fox CBS et al.

Considering one of your sources was using what was it? ABC or NBC for it's news? So you'd rather a site use it's news from the news sources you don't trust? Makes perfect sense to me!

PoopyTheJ · Nov 27, 2003, 10:27 PM

ahh but those I know what they are blatant disinformation tactics that unfortunately the site bought. I don't claim their perfect just that I'd rather trust them than Fox et al. No actually just that I trust them more than Fox et al since they're honest about their bias.

BluntmaN · Nov 29, 2003, 07:01 AM

You want credible sources? How about you read a history book? Something NOT writen by the pentagon might help you. Something writen by a real historian preferably with Dr or Prof in front of their names.

Mike89 · Dec 3, 2003, 12:33 AM

I find it sickening how these English boys comes in here stating their pure BS liberal views. Like all this "England is against the war and President Bush" crap. Like the liberal media claming thousands of people were going to be boycotting him when he visted the UK. When President Bush got there, turned out maybe a couple hundred were protesting. President brings some fresh air integrity to the US and I applaud him for his vision and grit. Same with Tony Blair. And Bush did not DRAG Mr. Blair in as was suggested by the dumb ass. Mr Blair shared the assessment of the thread that is upon us by the chicken sh_it terrorists that are pure cowards and disgusting human beings. I wonder how some of the guys in England would feel if their Country was attacked like the US was. President Bush will be re-elected and God help us if he isn't.