Same Sex Marriage

bird chest · Nov 28, 2003, 02:32 AM

homosexuals can be either biological or psychologically drawn to homosexuality and it varies from case to case so no one case dictates to the whole population like all things in psychology. Gay parents has been proven to not be as good for kids proven! not just me just saying the what I think.

bird chest · Nov 28, 2003, 02:38 AM

now I agree with the bad straight parenting but where do you draw the line and how do you find out without invading peoples privacy. Also who is going to tell a woman who gave birth to a woman you can't have your baby

Purevil · Dec 2, 2003, 02:21 PM

For BluntmaN: Truth is foolishness to those who refuse to agree with it.

KRN-Drak · Dec 3, 2003, 04:53 AM

My mom is actually gay and my father abandoned me, then kidnapped me for money (fucker) and I was raised with my mom having 2 serious girlfriends untill I moved out about 4 years ago and I'm one of the most well rounded, clear thinking people you'll ever meet. I don't harbor any ill will towards my moms sexuality or her choices and I support same sex marraige for the same reasons as the the topic starter. Also doesn't have any effect on my sexuality as I love women and every thign about them and frankly find the male anatomy to not be all that sensual. if I was a women I'd be a lesbo for sure

KRN-Drak · Dec 3, 2003, 04:55 AM

Theres plenty of straight parents that abuse their kids, mistreat them and don't raise them right with common sense and logical thinking. I'm sure theirs gay parents who do the same. Bottom line is its the person, not what sexual preference they have. Thats liek saying white parents are better than black and hispanic parents. Its totally dependant on the person.

Judas · Dec 3, 2003, 02:07 PM

People that end up gay..... were born naturally..... this thread is useless... like i said....theres only way it'll work... the opinions may stand... but the fact that being gay is actually natural.... still stands.... and like i mentioned before... with evolution... possibly, nutral sexes is a possible future.....

~~Optimummind~~ · Dec 5, 2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
And what do you suggest for the ones born with both sexes? Get with both?

Those are genetic mutants or genetic abnormalities. Obviously, the person who is born with both genitals will have to make a decision which sex he/she wants to be. If not the person, then the person's parents.

These genetic abnormalities result predominantly in European bloodlines because of in-breeding practices from centuries ago.

Anyways, on to the subject.

I believe that all things on Earth are here for a purpose and built with a purpose. Men and women compliment each other and when they have sex, they beget progeny. That's the natural order of things. Whether you're coming from a religious point of view or atheist point of view, the truth that nature only creates and evolves organisms for their maximum survival cannot be denied.

So, nature decided that in order to increase the chance of survival and propagation of the human race, two different kinds were created with different body sizes, body functions, and associated organs.

Now, we can't approve same-sex marriages just because people with abnormal brain chemistry wants to get married with the same sex. The scientific studies are coming in slowly but they are showing that gay people's brains are different from the normal people. It's especially more obvious in animal studies.

These people's genes have been haywired through some mutation. That's why they feel sexual attraction to their own sex.

I mean, it's too bad that they are genuinely attracted to the same sex but it doesn't mean the normal people should let them get married and ridicule the tradition that is found all over the world.

Gay people are like a disease. They don't just contain their gayness among themselves but try to lure normal people to their lifestyle. Now, if they were allowed to marry and adopt children, these normal children will become infected and corrupted. These children, who might otherwise marry normally (assuming they were normal to begin with), might become distorted inside their head and practice in the homosexual's perverse acts.

My statements will sound harsh to most of you but that is my opinion. For your record, I have nothing against gays--in fact, at my part-time job, I used to work with a gay pharmacist. Being in their presence does not bother me nor makes me uneasy.

However, I will never befriend a gay individual. My best friend's younger brother, whom I was friends with for about 6 years, turned out to be gay. He came clean before he entered a university. Well, it sucked but I did it--I ended my friendship with him.

The point is, despite how humanitarian or liberatarin one ascribes to be, you have to set a certain limit for yourself. Some kind of boundary. If you don't, then your head will really get fucked up keeping up with the latest fads in humanitarian loving and whatnot.

digerati · Dec 5, 2003, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by Optimummind
Those are genetic mutants or genetic abnormalities. Obviously, the person who is born with both genitals will have to make a decision which sex he/she wants to be. If not the person, then the person's parents.

These genetic abnormalities result predominantly in European bloodlines because of in-breeding practices from centuries ago.

Anyways, on to the subject.

I believe that all things on Earth are here for a purpose and built with a purpose. Men and women compliment each other and when they have sex, they beget progeny. That's the natural order of things. Whether you're coming from a religious point of view or atheist point of view, the truth that nature only creates and evolves organisms for their maximum survival cannot be denied.

So, nature decided that in order to increase the chance of survival and propagation of the human race, two different kinds were created with different body sizes, body functions, and associated organs.

Now, we can't approve same-sex marriages just because people with abnormal brain chemistry wants to get married with the same sex. The scientific studies are coming in slowly but they are showing that gay people's brains are different from the normal people. It's especially more obvious in animal studies.

These people's genes have been haywired through some mutation. That's why they feel sexual attraction to their own sex.

I mean, it's too bad that they are genuinely attracted to the same sex but it doesn't mean the normal people should let them get married and ridicule the tradition that is found all over the world.

Gay people are like a disease. They don't just contain their gayness among themselves but try to lure normal people to their lifestyle. Now, if they were allowed to marry and adopt children, these normal children will become infected and corrupted. These children, who might otherwise marry normally (assuming they were normal to begin with), might become distorted inside their head and practice in the homosexual's perverse acts.

My statements will sound harsh to most of you but that is my opinion. For your record, I have nothing against gays--in fact, at my part-time job, I used to work with a gay pharmacist. Being in their presence does not bother me nor makes me uneasy.

However, I will never befriend a gay individual. My best friend's younger brother, whom I was friends with for about 6 years, turned out to be gay. He came clean before he entered a university. Well, it sucked but I did it--I ended my friendship with him.

The point is, despite how humanitarian or liberatarin one ascribes to be, you have to set a certain limit for yourself. Some kind of boundary. If you don't, then your head will really get fucked up keeping up with the latest fads in humanitarian loving and whatnot.

You talk of purpose, and why're we're here. But if you get right down to it I doubt we were MEANT to get married. It's healthy for a guy to orgasm CONSTANTLY. The purpose being to impregnate as many women as possible. It's unhealthy if we don't. We're meant to walk around and be free. Not sit in cubicles all day and type our hands into arthritis. If you look at the world as everything has it's purpose then go live in the wilderness with a knife.

Love is a VERY important thing to me. Above all else. There is love. If two people love each other then let them be with each other! I mean two gay guys/girls can be life partners for 30 years, but if one of them dies they can't see the body of their loved one, why? Because they're not family or spouse. That's just horrid. And considering most gay kids come from straight parents, and in America most parents don't even really raise their kids. Just drop them off at daycare and school hoping a paid staff member would raise their kids for them I don't see any harm in letting them adopt. If my father is allowed to have and raise kids then any gay person should be able to as well.

ZzzombieBunny · Dec 5, 2003, 06:10 AM

I think most of you are missing the big point.

Its not really a matter of religion or our own personal opinions about homosexuality or sexuality at all.

Its a matter of freedom, how could any of us go to bed and sleep safely knowing your living in a democratic society that is by legal means discriminating its citizen, like a facist regime. I personally wouldnt feel very happy living in such society, no matter what my opinions are about gay people getting married. They should still be able to get married, due to the fact im living in a free society where everyone is supposed to have equal rights, a society that encourages and protects human rights, not the opposite.

Thats the main issue. It has nothing to do with our petty opinions about gay people. If you put restrictions on one type of personality, whats there to stop putting the same on others. The bottom line is that a free democratic society should keep its citizens free to do what they want as long as they arent working against other peoples freedom to do as they want.

~~Optimummind~~ · Dec 5, 2003, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by ZzzombieBunny
I think most of you are missing the big point.

Its not really a matter of religion or our own personal opinions about homosexuality or sexuality at all.

Its a matter of freedom, how could any of us go to bed and sleep safely knowing your living in a democratic society that is by legal means discriminating its citizen, like a facist regime. I personally wouldnt feel very happy living in such society, no matter what my opinions are about gay people getting married. They should still be able to get married, due to the fact im living in a free society where everyone is supposed to have equal rights, a society that encourages and protects human rights, not the opposite.

Thats the main issue. It has nothing to do with our petty opinions about gay people. If you put restrictions on one type of personality, whats there to stop putting the same on others. The bottom line is that a free democratic society should keep its citizens free to do what they want as long as they arent working against other peoples freedom to do as they want.

Although the US likes to say that it's a country of equal rights, it just isn't so. For instance, if you seriously injured someone so that person had to be hospitalized, you'll likely be arrested and put into some dirty jail. Now, if a super moviestar or rockstar did the same thing, they would get 1/3 of the jail sentence you would receive and transferred to a safe and clean jail room with all the nice accommodations like couches and TVs. This example is just one instance of everyone not receiving equal treatment in the US. (In fact, anywhere else in the world).

I like idealistic ideas too. They drive us and motivate us. However, one shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that this country, despite being founded by idealistic people, is an idealistic country. Everyone is not equal--some are smarter, richer, more athletic, more gifted....

~~BMG_Cya=-~~ · Dec 5, 2003, 07:44 AM

I'm not going to dive real deeply into the reasons why I believe Homosexuality is wrong, but I'll
just cast my vote so to speak.

Homosexuals, and I have known a few, are the way they are because of either psychological
trauma, or a chemical imbalance in the brain, or both. The trauma could have been experienced
as a child. For example, a boy might have been rejected repeatedly or harshly, by girls at his
school, church, or neighborhood. This causd him to seek approval from someone...anyone.
Girls were not approving of him, so he sought out same sex approval. At the time he probably
wasn't even thinking in a sexual way, but in basic human interaction.

I'm gonna cut this short, mainly because I don't really care...

I'm not a homosexual, and never had any desire to become one. I also believe it is at least against
nature, if not "God".

Lastly, a question...

Why do gay men very often talk with a lisp? They try and make their voice(s) sound different or
unnatural.Women don't sound and talk the way gay men often do. I think this is an indicator of a
psychological abnormality.

In my view Homosexuality is a disease-like condition, just like Down's Syndrome, or Autism.

digerati · Dec 5, 2003, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by BMG_Cya=-
I'm not going to dive real deeply into the reasons why I believe Homosexuality is wrong, but I'll
just cast my vote so to speak.

Homosexuals, and I have known a few, are the way they are because of either psychological
trauma, or a chemical imbalance in the brain, or both. The trauma could have been experienced
as a child. For example, a boy might have been rejected repeatedly or harshly, by girls at his
school, church, or neighborhood. This causd him to seek approval from someone...anyone.
Girls were not approving of him, so he sought out same sex approval. At the time he probably
wasn't even thinking in a sexual way, but in basic human interaction.

I'm gonna cut this short, mainly because I don't really care...

I'm not a homosexual, and never had any desire to become one. I also believe it is at least against
nature, if not "God".

Lastly, a question...

Why do gay men very often talk with a lisp? They try and make their voice(s) sound different or
unnatural.Women don't sound and talk the way gay men often do. I think this is an indicator of a
psychological abnormality.

In my view Homosexuality is a disease-like condition, just like Down's Syndrome, or Autism.

Not all talk with a lisp. That's a pretty grand generalization, that's like asking why blacks can't spell =P

BluntmaN · Dec 7, 2003, 12:03 AM

Homosexuals are not mad and not geneticaly programed to like taking it up da butty. A homosexual is this way because he or she chose to be this way. What about bisexuals? Where do they come to your equations? There are people who like to shag people of the same sex, also there are those who like both sexes, there are those who like to have sex with a woman while using a dildo on themselves (ouch), there are those who like to cross-dress and there are those who like to giving and recieving head. It is called human sexuallity and there is nothing wrong with any of those practices. If you feel sick imagening two guys having sex then it is ok, it is also ok if you feel sick imagening your dad having sex with your mother. Whould you go as far as making sex between parents illigal so that you dont run the risk of opening a door and seeing it? Just coz you dont like it does not mean that it should not be on the menu.

ExitiosuS · Dec 7, 2003, 12:32 AM

My opinion on this topic is very black and white. I say no. Never. You can't use "Marriage" and "gay" or "homosexual" in the same sentence because it's the bringing together of man and woman to create a family, or procreate within society... otherwise couples would be getting married not before a God or a heavenly figure, but before a lawyer. The second you take a religious ritual and annihilate it with these 21st century values it becomes a sin. And the tolerance to doing this is very wide because no one seems to really care that much, and those who do... can do nothing about it.

I live in Canada, so I'm constantly bombarded with crap like "they're people, all people should be treated equally and have the same rights and should be treated with respect." Too bad all the people that say that are people that have never had anything happen to them where they're wanting to look down on someone, and if they ever have, then they're a hypocrit for even suggesting that to someone else. We have Gay Parades in Ontario. You know what's sick about it? If you shun it, it can turn out to be a hate crime. But I never see straight parades. Why is it that a straight can't speak out anymore about a ritual that's becoming a laughing stock to a biological flaw as they tear the pages of books of their meaning that over centuries thousands upon thousands have died for without being prosecuted?

As for the comment insinuating sexes are irrelevant... that made me laugh. :P
Maybe a couple hundred million years ago... but not now. Not so asexual anymore. Especially the fact that a gay marriage(male) is COMPLETELY reliant on straight people to adopt... or the opposite sex to have the baby for them... Just as a lesbian couple is completely relient on a male in order to procreate. Why procreate when you can satisfy an unnatural feeling towards a member of the same sex? Oh who cares. We have "love." Talk about breeding themselves out of existence. :P

Anyways.
My opinion: No. Never in my eyes will I hold a gay couple to the same respect as I would a straight couple, especially when bringing up a kid. The mental problems it'd cause would be tremendous. Problems... in the old days, I guess. Not it isn't a problem, it's an "enlightenment." I'm going to hate the day when I hear, "Dad... I met [insert some kid's name here] dads/moms(Whatever your preference)."

(Sorry if I repeated a lot of posts, I kinda just hit post reply and give my opinion

)

BluntmaN · Dec 7, 2003, 01:13 AM

I guess I have nothing more to say other than you either need to move or get some help.
Restecp.

ExitiosuS · Dec 7, 2003, 01:19 AM

Get some help?
Why?

That's rather senseless. "Go get some help! You dislike homosexuals running around on the street displaying their flagrent homosexuality to all those who come near! ... NO! Better yet! Move away! Move out of the town you've lived in all of your life because gay is now accepted!"

And excuse me? But who are you to determine whether or not I need help?

My stance remains.

digerati · Dec 7, 2003, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by ExitiosuS
Get some help?
Why?

That's rather senseless. "Go get some help! You dislike homosexuals running around on the street displaying their flagrent homosexuality to all those who come near! ... NO! Better yet! Move away! Move out of the town you've lived in all of your life because gay is now accepted!"

And excuse me? But who are you to determine whether or not I need help?

My stance remains.

It's not that. It's just that your point of view is very narrow. Not all homosexuals are fragrant or "flaming." Not all go on parade. Not all talk with a lisp. I personally have a problem with the ones that go on parade. Because the arguement is stupid. "We're normal.. BUT WE'RE GAY! We're just like you.. BUT WE'RE GAY!" pick normal or gay people I don't care just don't block traffic.

mar·riage (noun)
- The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
- The state of being married; wedlock.
- A common-law marriage.
- A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
- A wedding.
- A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
- Games. The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.
- Marriage is honorable in all. --Heb. xiii. 4.
- The marriage vow or contract. [Obs.] --Chaucer.
- A feast made on the occasion of a marriage.
- The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king which made a marriage for his son. --Matt. xxii. 2.
- Any intimate or close union.

Just like in life there's many ways to view a word. Just because the flaming gays piss you off doesn't mean that the ones who do their job, live a normal live, dress without a rainbow suit, and love someone with all their heart shouldn't be married.

ExitiosuS · Dec 7, 2003, 02:36 PM

Well doesn't that dictionary definition just go as proof to what I said about 21st century values mixing it up? How do you think that got there? By the gays that don't go on parades, that live their lives like they did before all this media attention, etc...? Notice how "politically correct" that dictionary definition is?

Sorry, showing me a modern dictionary definition of the word "Marriage" isn't quite enough to tell me I'm wrong, because I already stated that the meaning of marriage was being twisted and there isn't much that can be done. The quiet gays that don't do the parades, don't go on junctions, and don't make a big deal about making out with some dude on a park bench just for attention are usually not the ones that are all big in the courts, on the streets trying for all their life to get all these things to change. :P

It's the outspoken ones that are.

And yes, you're probably going to say something like "They need to get support from somewhere." Cause we know the pack mentality already. :P

As for saying my opinion was narrow, I apologize for not going into more depth and covering the page.

lol.

"Just like in life there's many ways to view a word. Just because the flaming gays piss you off doesn't mean that the ones who do their job, live a normal live, dress without a rainbow suit, and love someone with all their heart shouldn't be married."

I don't recall saying they piss me off, I do recall making it clear that I disprove of their actions ~ more directly relating to the first set of gays you mentioned in that sentence. But, that doesn't mean I was ONLY referring to them. Don't get me wrong, but almost all gays are in on it, some are just in the background giving support (Signatures, whatever) to it. Rightfully so. But, same-sex marriages just aren't natural... Heaven forbid, if we were programmed all as gays, where would we be? It's self-destructive.

As for your definition you provided, once again, it'd probably be best then to keep it OUT of Religion. Get married by a lawyer or a verbal bond, but not by the hands of someone who has sworn their life to a book that says it shouldn't be. Sounds fair, no? Or if you really want to be far-fetched about it, get married not through law or Religion, but by all means, get married because the dictionary gave you permission to do so, disregarding the teachings of Religions and possible Laws. :P

But I wasn't aware that Dictionary > Nature.

digerati · Dec 7, 2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by ExitiosuS
Well doesn't that dictionary definition just go as proof to what I said about 21st century values mixing it up? How do you think that got there? By the gays that don't go on parades, that live their lives like they did before all this media attention, etc...? Notice how "politically correct" that dictionary definition is?

Sorry, showing me a modern dictionary definition of the word "Marriage" isn't quite enough to tell me I'm wrong, because I already stated that the meaning of marriage was being twisted and there isn't much that can be done. The quiet gays that don't do the parades, don't go on junctions, and don't make a big deal about making out with some dude on a park bench just for attention are usually not the ones that are all big in the courts, on the streets trying for all their life to get all these things to change. :P

It's the outspoken ones that are.

And yes, you're probably going to say something like "They need to get support from somewhere." Cause we know the pack mentality already. :P

As for saying my opinion was narrow, I apologize for not going into more depth and covering the page.

lol.

"Just like in life there's many ways to view a word. Just because the flaming gays piss you off doesn't mean that the ones who do their job, live a normal live, dress without a rainbow suit, and love someone with all their heart shouldn't be married."

I don't recall saying they piss me off, I do recall making it clear that I disprove of their actions ~ more directly relating to the first set of gays you mentioned in that sentence. But, that doesn't mean I was ONLY referring to them. Don't get me wrong, but almost all gays are in on it, some are just in the background giving support (Signatures, whatever) to it. Rightfully so. But, same-sex marriages just aren't natural... Heaven forbid, if we were programmed all as gays, where would we be? It's self-destructive.

As for your definition you provided, once again, it'd probably be best then to keep it OUT of Religion. Get married by a lawyer or a verbal bond, but not by the hands of someone who has sworn their life to a book that says it shouldn't be. Sounds fair, no? Or if you really want to be far-fetched about it, get married not through law or Religion, but by all means, get married because the dictionary gave you permission to do so, disregarding the teachings of Religions and possible Laws. :P

But I wasn't aware that Dictionary > Nature.

If your going to rely on nature then there's no need for marriage at all. By nature every man should spread his seed as much as he could to whoever he could. So I don't think that's a good example.

They shouldn't have a religious marriage, because the religion forbids it. And there's nothing we can do about that, and there's nothing we should do about that. If you CHOOSE to follow a religion then you must CHOOSE to follow it's teachings/laws. So them being gay is a failure to do so which means they shouldn't have a religious marriage.

I just want them to have a legal one. One so that if they're together for 30 years and one of them gets sick and goes into the hospital the other one should be able to see him/her. Not be kicked out because they aren't family/spouse.

ExitiosuS · Dec 7, 2003, 04:01 PM

Nicely put, dude.

I can't say I can disagree with that. I mean, not like I should ~ it's the way of the future, so might as well get used to it. As long as it doesn't doctor up the teachings of a Religion, sure. The thing that was getting me is the whole Religious ritual + homosexual, especially seeing it being accepted in a Christian society. It just got on my nerves, topped with all the media attention of the gay parades taking up downtown and so forth.

The flambouyant homos get me. :P
lol

But ya.

digerati · Dec 7, 2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by ExitiosuS
Nicely put, dude.

I can't say I can disagree with that. I mean, not like I should ~ it's the way of the future, so might as well get used to it. As long as it doesn't doctor up the teachings of a Religion, sure. The thing that was getting me is the whole Religious ritual + homosexual, especially seeing it being accepted in a Christian society. It just got on my nerves, topped with all the media attention of the gay parades taking up downtown and so forth.

The flambouyant homos get me. :P
lol

But ya.

Good to see we found a common ground.