Luck

Ok,

I'm not sure if you're all aware, but apparently, Arnold was accused of idolizing Hitler and sexually harassing women.

What's your opinion on this as far as it being relevant?

I'm tired of people running of mayor or some political postion, and having people bring up this propaganda.

If the guy believed in Nazism or idiolized Hitler, so what? When in ANY of his speeches has he spoke of Nazism? Hell, there is a woman running for govenor who's anti-illegal immigrant, yet they say nothing about that.

Why should his role as running for govenor be jeoprodized by past actions that have no link to what he stands for? I'm soooo tired of this, I really am. If he wants to believe in Nazism, let him, if he wants to Idolize Hitler, let him. As long as it doesn't affect his ablity to govern California.

Hell, me and my history teacher had a long talk last year about Hitler..a lot of his thing we agreed with. Doesn't make us nazis..hell, but if someone found out, he'd lose his job. What ever happened to freedom of speech?

Then Rush Limbaugh getting scorned for his obvious opinion on McNabb..who IS overated.

I mean, the guy McNabb is VERY overated. Sometimes..it does happen because they're black. The same reason affirmative action plays a role. But anyways, he had his opinion, he's known for having a very strong opinion. Did he mention anything racist? No..why is it that viewers went up after Rush joined ESPN? Yeah..now he quit to duck the heat the all these people gave him..labeling him a racist, etc.


What ever happened to freedom of speech? I'm not sure if this belongs in the political forum, but tell me your opinion on all of this. I was watching it all day yesterday and this morning on the news.

Smoothdrive

i'ld be more worried if he idolised Bush and harassed men

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Luck

I'm not a democrat..but Rush Limbaugh is my hero. And thanks to me for posting this thread, I now missed the bus to school because of it.

JavaFox

Liberals in America have done their very best to blackball and silence conservative views and opinions. It's their way at getting back at us for McCarthy.

FuNsTeR

McCarthy was a loony ... he wanted to NUKE North Korea /China ... and you idolise the fool

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bluelight

I have just read a list of offensive acts this dude has performed and...he hasnt denied them....instead he has ...excused himself and to that added that if..he gets choosen he will be "The womens man" in poilitics.

One of the offended women had been asked " If she had ever had a mans tongue in her ass"...


Go ahead....Give him your vote.

Bluelight

Luck

I'm sure almost 75% of the politicians in the world have pulled crap in the past.

Hell, if Arnold's past is a problem, then I guess Martin Luther King should have never been around because he cheated on his wife and had all of his speeches written out for him.

We're in the present, I mean..if I were to become a politician, would it matter if I said some sexual insult to a woman in 7th grade? No..(not that I have) it wouldn't.

bluelight

Sure but......The same thing does ...not.....apply for ordinary politicians as for ordinary peole.

That why we vote for them...and why they get paid.

Generally they arent paid to insult women they dont know..

You got rid of Clinton for a reason didnt you.Personally i think his thing was no more insulting that what Termainator has been saying and showed .

50 percent of the people in Usa are women.What interest should they have in voting for a sex crazed freak?

If terminator gets to be governor over California...well...Then the Californians deserve it.

Before you lay your vote....ask yourself one question:

Who is pulling the strings ?

Bluelight

Luck

You're missing the point, this was well over 20 years ago..he even smoked pot back then. It has nothing to do with his current persona. Arnold was also a totally different person back then. Bush has done..MANY things..including partying, getting drunk, etc. Jessy Ventura has as well.. Hell, even people dug things up on Tomas Jefferson before he was elected. He used propaganda to get the votes.

JavaFox

Firstly, I never said I respected McCarthy. He was a coward, an opprotunist, and a fool.

Secondly, you are thinking of Douglas MACARTHUR, not Joseph McCarthy.

@/2ct!<

And why, exactly, has the media brought this up NOW after hes been running for so long? I mean, they just seem to send everyting possible, even if it didnt really happen, and hope he cant respond before the election.

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p0rChM0nK3y

i dont really care if arnold grabbed an ass or a tit 30 years ago, i care about my car tax and illegal aliens with drivers licenses.

Luck

Yes, I'm tired of illegal aliens, it's getting out of hand.

Smoothdrive

Actually this speaks on favour of Arnold, Clinton was a good president and he grabbed Lewinsky..Arnold for President !!

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The_Neon_Cowboy

yea i rember him shooting down good legistlation. takeing credit for stuff that happrnd on it's own & or he had no part in. how much credit can you give a president for but sighing a bill into law? I forget the bills but rember the VETO's. I can even rember complaing to my mom the instant the results were in wont repat what i said. i'm just glad he's out of office

Agreed... we need some REAL boarder secrity. to many are comeing over and are useing technacaltys to be able to VOTE! drive! have bank accounts! apply for welfare! socail serrity cards etc...

they need to toghten the borders there are way to many running the boarder

i used to have pen pals in CA... dudes like 30+ /-50+ year old hispanic men hitting on 13 year olds etc....

they need to do a clean sweep @ the buissness level to 100% verify citizen ship.
and ship those illegals back were they belong... they wanna come over they should do it the LEGAL way....


Clinton quite possable you mean the person who...
went over seas and did bussiness AGENST U.S. intrests
Used 3 million of tax payers mony to fund his election campain - illeagal
lied udner oath/commited pergory- illeagal
who was involved in white water scandel- illeagal
as govenor attened partys @ wich drugs,alachol and sex with minors was going on - illeagal/immoral
has been acused of RAPE more than once- illeagal
cought on video camera with hookers going into hotel. shortly later 2 secret service men show up @ his door break his ribs, take the tape and camera.
so much stuff you wouln't belive me.
(Source documentry: The Clinton Cronicals)









arnold cant do much worse then any of your other options. like the porn star etc running lol

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Luck

I was sick to see this rally taking place the other day that supported ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! And a bunch of politicians supported them..saying that if illegal aliens stayed in the country for a certain ammount of years and commited no crimes, they should automatically be legal. That's a load of crap, and I'm tired of it.

evergreen

I was amazed to see support for giving illegal aliens rights that only citizens should have and support to let them bypass the procedures to become citizens. I think even the majority of Californians agree, although I am again amazed at the number that support the contrary.

Conservatives have let the liberal voices go way too far in this country! It's time to be active!

Go Arnold!

Go Bush!

Luck

'm going to give a couple of reasons why the whole incident was rediculous

1. You can look at the first post to confirm this. Donovan McNabb is extremely overrated...so in that aspect Rush was correct (even if you say he isn't then it's really an opinion...but the stats back it up)


2. This wasn't even an issue when it was first said...Michael Irvin (although he may have been baked at any given moment) initially agreed with Rush and nobody even concentrated on the race card that was played


3. the initial story saying that it was insensitive didn't even run until 2 days later...and wasn't picked up nationally til the next day...if it was really that big of a deal it would have blown up that very night. It was a nationally covered game and I'm sure millions of people saw him say that...but it tooka reporter in another state 2 days to point it out.


4. 3 democratice presidential candidates piped in. One who has admitted to be "running against the Rush Limbaugh's of teh world" Clearly he has a personal agenda. Another is someone who I'd label as racist against whites and holds no credibility and the other was probobly just jumping on the bandwagon...furthermore I'd like to add that the world would be a better place if Al Sharpton and the Rev. Jessie Jackson would just die...really they've lost their cred and just piss of 78 percent of the united states.


4. The comments weren't even racist. Read them really carefully he never says Donovon McNabb is bad...just overrated...he merely comments that the liberal media has wanted a black quarterback to succeed and Donovan McNabb has been overhyped because of that...again that's his opinion...because he differs in opinion about something race related doesn't mean he's racist


5. He's Rush Limbaugh...what did ESPN expect when they hired him. Does it really shock anyone that he said this. Anyone who knows Rush Limbaugh should never be surprised that he would say something that's controversial...Also he was hired to give his opinion...and unless his contract said he couldnt' talk about race...I see that it was his perogotive to say what he wishes.


This was taken from a Madden 2004 forum on EA SPorts..of course there are mispelled words, but like I said, it's taken from someone else. The bottom line is, he's 100% correct.

Luck

I'm not sure I'd consider Bush conservative. Putting our men's lives on the line to aid a 3rd world country that's violated UN Policies for over 30 years isn't conservative.

GOG

If you're talking about Iraq then it isn't a third world country, Iraq has oil, lots of it too, much more than you have. That's the main reason why your people are dying there, it has nothing to do with humanity or aid.


Where are the WMD's?

Luck

Nope, I'm talking about Israel.

GOG

Oh, ok, sorry for misundertanding. Carry on Sir

JavaFox

I sure hope you are joking. Israel is nowhere near a third world country (to even suggest such is utterly stupefying). She has never had a Chapter 6 resolution passed on her (Iraq has), and she is our most important ally in the world.

GOG

What's the reason of passing a chapter 6 resolution on Israel, you will only veto it down anyway. You know Java, the rest of us - like 97% of all the people on this planet, we don't care if Israel is your most valuable ally. But you're right, Israel is not a third world country, it just acts like one. Here are some of your vetos:

1. 10 Sep. 1972 Condemned Israel's attacks against southern Lebanon and Syria. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention
2. 26 Jul. 1973 Affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self determination, statehood and equal protections. Vote: 13 to 1 with China absent
3. 08 Dec. 1975 Condemned Israel air strike and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention
4. 26 Jan. 1976 Called for self-determination of Palestinian People. Vote: 9 to 1 with 3 abstentions
5. 25 Mar. 1976 Deplored Israel's alteration of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most of world nations and the United Nations. Vote 14 to 1
6. 29 Jun. 1976 Affirmed the Inalienable rights of the Palestinian People. Vote 10 to 1 with 4 abstention
7. 30 Apr. 1980 Endorsed self-determination of Palestinian People. Vote 10 to 1 with 4 abstention
8. 20 Jan. 1982 Demands Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights. Vote 10 to 1 with 4 abstention
9. 01 Apr. 1982 Condemned Israel mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva Conventions Protocols of civilized nations. Vote: 14 to 1
10. 02 Apr. 1982 Condemned an Israeli soldier who shot 11 Moslem worshipers in the Haram al Sharif near Al Aqsa mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1
11. 08 Jun. 1982 Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1
12. 26 Jun. 1982 Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut, Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1
13. 06 Aug. 1982 Urged cut-off economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstention
14. 02 Aug. 1983 Condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. Vote: 13 to 1 with 3 abstention
15. 06 Sep. 1984 Deplored Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urged its withdrawal. Vote: 14 to 1
16. 12 Mar. 1985 Condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounces Israeli "Iron Fist" policy of repression. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions
17. 13 Sep. 1985 Denounced Israel's violations of human rights in the occupied territories. Vote 10 to 1 with 4 abstentions
18. 17 Jan. 1986 Strongly deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon.Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions
19. 30 Jan. 1986 Deplored Israel's activities in the occupied Arab East Jerusalem, which threaten the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention
20. 06 Feb. 1986 Condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan airplane on Feb. 4, Vote: 10 to 1 with 1 abstention
21. 18 Jan. 1988 Strongly deplored Israeli attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention
22. 01 Feb. 1988 Called on Israel to abandon its policies against Palestinian uprising that violate the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and formalize a leading role for the U.N. in future peace negotiations. Vote: 14 to 1
23. 15 Apr. 1988 Urged Israel to accept deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention and called for a peace settlement under U.N. auspices. Vote: 14 to 1
24. 10 May 1988 Condemned Israel's May 2 incursion into Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1
25. 14 Dec. 1988 Strongly deplored Israel's Dec. 9 commando raids on Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1
26. 17 Feb 19.89 Strongly deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian uprising and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote: 14 to 1
27. 09 Jun. 1989 Strongly deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote: 14 to 1
28. 07 Nov. 1989 Demanded Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian uprising. Vote 14 to 1
29. 31 May 1990 Called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli occupied lands. Vote 14 to 1 . United States casts the lone veto to block a Security Council fact-finding mission to report on abuses of Palestinians in land Israel captured in war.
30. 04 Apr. 1992 Condemned Israel for the killing of four Palestinians and injuring 50 more, 10 of them seriously, in Rafah. Vote: 14 to 1.
31. 04 Dec. 1993 Urges Israel to allow the return of 101 Palestinian Deportees. Vote: 14 to 1.
32. 17 May 1995 Condemning Israel's intention of confiscating 134 Acres of land in East Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1. United States blocks a resolution that declared invalid Israel's expropriation of Arab-owned land in east Jerusalem.
33. 15 Apr. 1996 Condemns Israel's closure of the occupied territories. Vote: 14 to 1.
34. 25 Apr. 1996 Condemned Israel for bombing UN quarters in Qana, South Lebanon, and the continuous Israeli attacks.
Vote: 14 to 1.
35. 28 Sep. 1996 Condemned Israeli settlements in Ras Al Amud in Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1.
36. 07 Mar. 1997 Called for Israel to stop plans to build settlements in Jabal Abu Ghuneim (Har Homa) in Jerusalem.
Vote: 14 to 1. United States vetoes resolution calling on Israel to refrain from east Jerusalem settlement activity.
37. 21- 22 Mar. 97 Condemned Israeli settlement in Jabal Abu Ghuneim.
Vote: 14 to 1. United States blocks resolution demanding Israel's immediate cessation of construction at an east Jerusalem settlement.
38. March 27, 2001: United States vetoes resolution backing a U.N. observer force to protect Palestinian civilians.

Luck

It sure acts like one.

And no, Israel is far from our most important ally in this world.


They've costed our men many lives. To say something like that is completly inane.

Luck

Isreal has violated UN policys for well over 30 years. It's a fact..you can't refute facts.

JavaFox

Really? So third world countires are thriving liberal democracies? Third world countries grant citizenship to refugees that have been denied their rights for nearly twenty years*? Third world countries embark on massive reconstruction and public housing projects to get people out of camps and into modern apartments (Isreal housed 11,000 families in Gaza despite heavy and inexplicable PLO resistence)? Third world countries free prisoners out of goodwill? Third world countries fight to keep the Middle East safe by preventing Iraq from deploying nuclear weapons**?

I had no idea.


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* This is exactly what Israel did in 1948. 800,000 Palestinian refugees, living under the Egyptian regime in Gaza were denied citizenship for 19 years until Israel and Jordan seized Gaza and gave it to them.

** There is consensus that had the Isrealis not stopped Saddam's nuclear program by bombing his French-made Osirak reactor, Iraq would have HAD nuclear weapons ready for the invasion of Kuwait.

Luck

Ummm...Isreal has nucular weapons and war heads..

JavaFox

So?

Luck

Then why is America in the middle east?