A Questionable Theory?

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 18, 2009, 11:11 AM

What would you say if I everything in existance has a soul?

mkk · Oct 18, 2009, 11:54 AM

Adding nothing to something doesn't change much.

dawgXdenta · Oct 18, 2009, 05:13 PM

even rocks?

I'm only going to do this to share my beliefs since youre so into souls and stuff:

The Soul

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 19, 2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dawgXdenta

even rocks?

I'm only going to do this to share my beliefs since youre so into souls and stuff:

The Soul

yes. that's my point. Even rocks. I ask because when I look at my dog I can see that he doesn't want to be a dog and in fear of becoming one myself there seems little I can do to support him on my own. therefore if animals have souls so does the fork you eat with! Crazy huh?

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 19, 2009, 10:53 AM

This is a happy thought...

in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 19, 2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mkk

Adding nothing to something doesn't change much.

nothing to something? isn't it the other way? anyway doing that would take away the "something" would it not?

skylineaddict · Oct 19, 2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RE III - Frankie

yes. that's my point. Even rocks. I ask because when I look at my dog I can see that he doesn't want to be a dog and in fear of becoming one myself there seems little I can do to support him on my own. therefore if animals have souls so does the fork you eat with! Crazy huh?

"Souls" are related to a consciousness. The only way a fork can have a "soul" is if it could think for itself. A dog thinks for itself. Why do you think it will eat whenever it's hungry granted it can acquire the food?

Your statement I quoted makes absolutely no sense. It's like you just puked up alphabet soup.

~~CitySlicker~~ · Oct 19, 2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RE III - Frankie

yes. that's my point. Even rocks. I ask because when I look at my dog I can see that he doesn't want to be a dog and in fear of becoming one myself there seems little I can do to support him on my own. therefore if animals have souls so does the fork you eat with! Crazy huh?

you must tell us what you are smoking right now?

A dog is a biological life form exactly like the human or a cow - same brain, same soul! (in a sense)

Dead matter (non biological) can not have a soul but I am aware there are religions out there telling otherwise.

Judas · Oct 20, 2009, 12:34 PM

This isn't hard to comprehend, Everything has energy in some form or another.

What we consider to be dead matter or not living in the least bit may not have a soul for itself, but may have part of one.

Kinda like us having a body, our finger nail doesn't have a soul persay, but it is part of this energy.

In a round about way, Earth itself is a living being just like we are. We reside on it as living things just like an unfathomable number of things live on us.

The earth is made of both organic and inorgaonic things just like we are, we have materials on and in us that are not organic really.

The comprehesion isn't hard, at least it shouldn't.

Tyrsonswood · Oct 20, 2009, 12:37 PM

It shouldn't be hard.... most people don't get it though.

[hobo]eclipse · Oct 20, 2009, 12:41 PM

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.

~~CitySlicker~~ · Oct 20, 2009, 04:32 PM

Well, this discussion has turned into philosophy - it's not a matter of comprehension issues when talking about dead matter having a soul...it's a religion to believe so.

Scientifically completely unfounded tho

Tyrsonswood · Oct 20, 2009, 04:57 PM

Yeah, but science can't prove the soul, so it would have to drift to philosophy..... but science has proved everything does have energy and at a subatomic level is quite lively, it's moving....... even those rocks.

Who's to say for certain that they can't have something science can't prove exists anyways?

And it wouldn't have to be a religion to believe everything could have a soul, a belief isn't necessarily "religion" in the common view.

~~CitySlicker~~ · Oct 20, 2009, 05:37 PM

I have a problem to imagine what could be the soul of a rock or other dead matter?

Science even has a problem to define what exactly is the human soul? Soul is a religious invention similar to the Asian Indians believing in soul transfer after death.

Well I think this topic is going nowhere.

Judas · Oct 20, 2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CitySlicker

Well, this discussion has turned into philosophy - it's not a matter of comprehension issues when talking about dead matter having a soul...it's a religion to believe so.

Scientifically completely unfounded tho

that's a little imo, cold and inaccurate..

there is on many levels.. scientific proof that there is energies that are not understood but are measureable.......

They've determined that when someone dies.. there is a form of energy beyond just the normal energies required for a body to fuction and a brain to work...

And this is where the controversy takes off.... As the proof is undetermineable...

Just like scientifically speaking, the Eletron of an atom doesn't excist..... yet it does.. but in scientific communities... they teach others and explain things with it excisting at all times... yet the evidence is there that it doesn't excist at times to. It pop in and out of excistance at radom point in the space... which throws a massive wrench into the works yet the rest of the human race that doesn't know this keeps on beleive it to always be in excistance and is only difficult to pinpoint.

~~CitySlicker~~ · Oct 20, 2009, 06:40 PM

Mate, I don't want to appear cold and inaccurate

we can talk about the human aura/soul or even look at life forms on quantum level. However, nothing proves a soul in "existence" or even what exactly it is (energy maybe?).

It's mythology at best..

Judas · Oct 20, 2009, 07:57 PM

Do some research... you'll find alot of documented information pertaining to "captureing" such energy....

Most of the people that have studied such have been since blacklisted for doing so.. seems to be the going thing with anything that goes against the accepted norm.... funny how those that go against is always seem to spit out something amazing and causes a paradigm shift.... it's like it always occurs that way.

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 21, 2009, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by skylineaddict

"Souls" are related to a consciousness. The only way a fork can have a "soul" is if it could think for itself. A dog thinks for itself. Why do you think it will eat whenever it's hungry granted it can acquire the food?

Your statement I quoted makes absolutely no sense. It's like you just puked up alphabet soup.

How is a concious "soul" related to thought. Now this IS interesting. Think babout it! When you are sad, do you actually think about anything else, but the pain? Therefore how can thought "alone" justify existance?? No don't answer that because you are going to say exactly what I just wrote, but because you have the benefit of analysing it NOW you can basically adjust your words to make them look like they are "your" own. So there. Thought justifies a soul? Humph!!

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 21, 2009, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CitySlicker

you must tell us what you are smoking right now?

A dog is a biological life form exactly like the human or a cow - same brain, same soul! (in a sense)

Dead matter (non biological) can not have a soul but I am aware there are religions out there telling otherwise.

The question of this statement sways to "religion" based on a fact of science??

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 21, 2009, 03:41 AM

I actually wrote this thread to enquire about a deeper insight into an organic form of mechanical operation which is the basis of poering such a thing as a started in a preivous thread called the Powerdrive. Please read that thread before posting anymore "theroies".

skylineaddict · Oct 21, 2009, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RE III - Frankie

How is a concious "soul" related to thought. Now this IS interesting. Think babout it! When you are sad, do you actually think about anything else, but the pain? Therefore how can thought "alone" justify existance?? No don't answer that because you are going to say exactly what I just wrote, but because you have the benefit of analysing it NOW you can basically adjust your words to make them look like they are "your" own. So there. Thought justifies a soul? Humph!!

I'll answer with a question, then a statement.

Here's my question:
Does PCP ring any bells?

Here's my statement:
You're making no sense. I didn't say thought justified existence. I said thought is related to "soul" and consciousness, and "soul" and consciousness are related. Human emotions -such as sadness- have everything to do with thought, so yes, just the mere act of being sad means that you have thought, and since thought is related to a consciousness, and consciousness is related to "soul", I believe I have addressed your argument without, as you say, "say[ing] exactly what [you] just wrote." Oops, I just did it...

If you're trying to sound intelligent, I beg you to stop. Your arguments are extremely illogical and you're not helping your case at all.

Just a little side note: Existence is proven just by looking at something. I figured since you went off on that tangent, I'd address it to further confuse you and to illicit an even more incoherent reply from you.

I would say that I hate replying to you, but I can't. The joy in replying to your comments is waiting to see what ridiculous arguments you pull out your rectum next. It's rather entertaining, I must say.

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 21, 2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by skylineaddict

I'll answer with a question, then a statement.

Here's my question:
Does PCP ring any bells?

Here's my statement:
You're making no sense. I didn't say thought justified existence. I said thought is related to "soul" and consciousness, and "soul" and consciousness are related. Human emotions -such as sadness- have everything to do with thought, so yes, just the mere act of being sad means that you have thought, and since thought is related to a consciousness, and consciousness is related to "soul", I believe I have addressed your argument without, as you say, "say[ing] exactly what [you] just wrote." Oops, I just did it...

If you're trying to sound intelligent, I beg you to stop. Your arguments are extremely illogical and you're not helping your case at all.

Just a little side note: Existence is proven just by looking at something. I figured since you went off on that tangent, I'd address it to further confuse you and to illicit an even more incoherent reply from you.

I would say that I hate replying to you, but I can't. The joy in replying to your comments is waiting to see what ridiculous arguments you pull out your rectum next. It's rather entertaining, I must say.

You basically "recycled your previous statement which just doesn't answer or backup any of the ststement you have made.

skylineaddict · Oct 21, 2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RE III - Frankie

You basically "recycled your previous statement which just doesn't answer or backup any of the ststement you have made.

Because, contrary to your statement, mine actually makes a little sense. I'm sure I can get some backup on that matter.

dawgXdenta · Oct 22, 2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

that's a little imo, cold and inaccurate..

there is on many levels.. scientific proof that there is energies that are not understood but are measureable.......

They've determined that when someone dies.. there is a form of energy beyond just the normal energies required for a body to fuction and a brain to work...

And this is where the controversy takes off.... As the proof is undetermineable...

Just like scientifically speaking, the Eletron of an atom doesn't excist..... yet it does.. but in scientific communities... they teach others and explain things with it excisting at all times... yet the evidence is there that it doesn't excist at times to. It pop in and out of excistance at radom point in the space... which throws a massive wrench into the works yet the rest of the human race that doesn't know this keeps on beleive it to always be in excistance and is only difficult to pinpoint.

Really thats new, Sources that sounds like an interesting read

Judas · Oct 22, 2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgXdenta

Really thats new, Sources that sounds like an interesting read

Do some research..... it's really not that hard to find....

dawgXdenta · Oct 23, 2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

Do some research..... it's really not that hard to find....

ya lazy bum

Judas · Oct 23, 2009, 08:07 PM

I'm just saying..

I could dig up a pile of different references... but it's trival unless you do your own searching and find the good stuff yourself

Oct 18, 2009, 11:11 AM	#1
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~~RE III - Frankie~~ BANNED Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Castle Mansion Paradise 113 Posts: 1,200 Rep Power: 0	Re: A Questionable Theory? This is a happy thought... in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter

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~~CitySlicker~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 183 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: A Questionable Theory? Well, this discussion has turned into philosophy - it's not a matter of comprehension issues when talking about dead matter having a soul...it's a religion to believe so. Scientifically completely unfounded tho

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~~CitySlicker~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 183 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: A Questionable Theory? I have a problem to imagine what could be the soul of a rock or other dead matter? Science even has a problem to define what exactly is the human soul? Soul is a religious invention similar to the Asian Indians believing in soul transfer after death. Well I think this topic is going nowhere.

Oct 20, 2009, 06:40 PM	#16
~~CitySlicker~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 183 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: A Questionable Theory? Mate, I don't want to appear cold and inaccurate we can talk about the human aura/soul or even look at life forms on quantum level. However, nothing proves a soul in "existence" or even what exactly it is (energy maybe?). It's mythology at best..

Oct 21, 2009, 03:41 AM	#20
~~RE III - Frankie~~ BANNED Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Castle Mansion Paradise 113 Posts: 1,200 Rep Power: 0	Re: A Questionable Theory? I actually wrote this thread to enquire about a deeper insight into an organic form of mechanical operation which is the basis of poering such a thing as a started in a preivous thread called the Powerdrive. Please read that thread before posting anymore "theroies".