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Oct 10, 2008, 09:25 AM
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Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
As the U.S., nay, world economic crisis clearly affects his poll numbers in a downward direction --- McCain himself, mind you, has said his economic knowledge isn't all it should be --- he has turned to nearly 100% negative campaigning, rather than focusing on the issues.
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Oct 10, 2008, 09:29 AM
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Driverheaven's Sorcerer
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
He's "Republican" Need I say more?
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Oct 10, 2008, 09:47 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
The election is all but over for McCain and if this is what we can expect to see until election day he will not recover. He's used up all of his talking lines and now it's time for his A-Team to attack. Palin has been fully unleashed and is completely destroying whatever appeal she had by implying Obama supports terrorists while Cindy is out there saying Obama is killing her son and other soldiers. This is not Carl Rove style machinations (he was more subtle) and while it may lock down a few Republican voters it's going to sway everyone else towards Obama.
A landslide victory sure does seem within reach...
I like this quote from Biden:
"All of the things they said about Barack Obama in the TV, on the TV, at their rallies, and now on YouTube … John McCain could not bring himself to look Barack Obama in the eye and say the same things to him ... In my neighborhood, when you’ve got something to say to a guy, you look him in the eye and you say it to him." - Joe Biden.
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Oct 10, 2008, 11:53 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
you all never cease to amaze me... 
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Oct 11, 2008, 12:59 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by Falstaff
you all never cease to amaze me... 
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McCain is now paying for the negative ads he's been running.
Crap like this...
YouTube - Disrespectful
...has put him in the uncomfortable position of defending Obama and telling people the opposite of what his party has been saying
YouTube - McCain: Be respectful, Obama is a decent man. *CROWD BOOS!*
I'm actually starting to believe McCain is a much better man than his party will let him be but he sold out to make it this far.
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Oct 11, 2008, 01:11 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
they all sell out...
its politics...
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Oct 11, 2008, 07:49 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
Of course, but at least Obama's Have a SLIVER of truth attached, Mccains are all flat out lies.
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Oct 11, 2008, 08:52 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by SeraphicSorcerer
Of course, but at least Obama's Have a SLIVER of truth attached, Mccains are all flat out lies.
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McCain's campaign must believe the sheer number of lies is so overwhelming that the damage to Obama outweighs the consequences of getting caught.
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Oct 12, 2008, 09:59 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
I realized the other day the only people who shouldn't be allowed to vote are non-U.S. citizens, people under the age of 16 (screw this 18 B.S) and people who watch Fox News.
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Oct 12, 2008, 03:41 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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I realized the other day the only people who shouldn't be allowed to vote are non-U.S. citizens, people under the age of 16 (screw this 18 B.S) and people who watch Fox News.
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I honestly love everyone who thinks Fox doesn't spin news.
I've got some land to sell em in Antartica.
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Oct 12, 2008, 08:20 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
Falstaff has it right. It's politics and political BS transcends political party affiliations.
BOTH campaigns are as guilty as hell of promotiing outright lies and half-truths.
Anyone naive enough to assert that only one party is promoting lies in this race has no business in the voting booth.
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Oct 12, 2008, 10:55 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by chillbilly
Falstaff has it right. It's politics and political BS transcends political party affiliations.
BOTH campaigns are as guilty as hell of promotiing outright lies and half-truths.
Anyone naive enough to assert that only one party is promoting lies in this race has no business in the voting booth.
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That's just too cynical for my tastes. Yes, all politicians are bullshitters but I draw the line at lies with malicious intent. I guess that's why I get turned off by attack ads. If Obama was doing what McCain's camp is I'd feel the same way.
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Oct 13, 2008, 05:47 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
Be cynical, be very cynical in these times.
the rise to political power hasnt changed very much since we started taking notes.
There should be limits to how much you trust anyone, even if you voted for them, to manage the country in which you live in.
An ideal leader not only serves the interestes of his or her constituents, but acts in the interest of the nation, to restore, preserve, protect and lead that nation.
Now that takes courage, support, money and opputunity at the very least.
If we peel back the shiny veneer we have applied to our most famous leaders we will find corruption, lies, trickery, double dealing and outright demi-goggery (my word). And those that wrote the history of the nation focused on what outstanding achievements or disasters to define thier position in time.
I dont believe the hype, I dont believe Obama or McCain, (sorry folks) until I hear a coherent plan, and frankly I havent.
I vote for someone just because he is white or black, male or female, warrior or peace maker without a f*&king plan!!! 
I havent heard anything from either one and dread the choice I will have to make very soon. And believe me I will make a choice, in spite of the sickening attacks on McCain and the Republicans, and the hypocritical support of Obama, this folks is the evil of two lessers and is not unprecedented in history.
Whomever becomes president, the first year of that administration will be crucibal that forms the metal of the instrument that they will use to shape the world in which we know now. One of those two men will be shaped as well as try to shape the country I come from and will be equally changed by circumstance.
The faliures of the past 6 presidents are coming back to haunt the new administration and cannot be dismissed.
Foriegn policy
Wars
Affliiations
Espionage
investments and loans to world powers
emerging economic powers
pollution
global warming
clean water
nuclear waste
weapons of mass destruction
global power projection
United Nations
disease
immigration
financial polcies
(just to name a few)
This is what our new leaders face, and I havent heard any salient points on any of these issues that go beyond the promises either have made to win votes, etc.
Our only legacy so far is how much of our childrens future we have mortgaged already just to serve the interests who is in power now.
Cynical?
just a tad.
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Oct 13, 2008, 07:11 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by thunderclap
I realized the other day the only people who shouldn't be allowed to vote are non-U.S. citizens, people under the age of 16 (screw this 18 B.S) and people who watch Fox News.
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Another satisfied fox news watcher
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Oct 13, 2008, 10:16 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by Falstaff
The faliures of the past 6 presidents are coming back to haunt the new administration and cannot be dismissed.
Foriegn policy
Wars
Affliiations
Espionage
investments and loans to world powers
emerging economic powers
pollution
global warming
clean water
nuclear waste
weapons of mass destruction
global power projection
United Nations
disease
immigration
financial polcies
(just to name a few)
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With all due respect, almost all of those issues are not new to America and the rest of them (except WMD's and Power projection) are experienced by almost every other major nation on Earth.
Regardless of the mistakes by the past 6 Presidents, Clinton left the White House debt free allowing the nation to tackle these issues at its own discretion. It is directly a consequence of George Bush's administration that the nation is so deeply in debt that getting out of it would make doing anything else on that list a far off dream. He is the only failure involved and I wouldn't describe it as haunting since he's still the Commander in Chief 
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Oct 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by OmegaRED
With all due respect, almost all of those issues are not new to America and the rest of them (except WMD's and Power projection) are experienced by almost every other major nation on Earth.
Regardless of the mistakes by the past 6 Presidents, Clinton left the White House debt free allowing the nation to tackle these issues at its own discretion. It is directly a consequence of George Bush's administration that the nation is so deeply in debt that getting out of it would make doing anything else on that list a far off dream. He is the only failure involved and I wouldn't describe it as haunting since he's still the Commander in Chief 
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Clinton did not leave the whitehouse debt free mate...where are you getting this? All he did was increase tax revenues over 85 percent.
If the revenues grew faster than he spent it, then he claimed to have balanced the budget, but that couldnt be further than the truth..
I was one of those Tax Payers!!!!
If the Clintons had succeeded in passing the Health Care reforms we would have even less to thank Bill Clinton for. You might well thank Allan Greespan or the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Balanced Budget Act.
Tax Hikes mate...not tax relief is what Clinton might well be famous for.
and btw..the tax reforms of preceeding administrations had a great more to do with the economic boom that Bill Clinton's administration got credit for. Yep thats right...some damn republicans decided to control federral spending, etc and that contibuted greatly to the increase in federal revenue during the Clinton years. Clinton reduced public spending, etc and forced other tax measures through congress, but failed to really pursue the democratric or liberal agenda. The Clinton economy is full of contridictions and half measures that ensured that no future president could ever sort it out.
Here is my beef about the former presidents, that in spite of their faliures and successes, the government is slowly dipping into our pockets more frequently now than ever before.
I live in England now and marvel at how the British people tolerate Gordon Browns taxes, etc.
No one has ever successfuly balanced any bloody budget in America in quite along time and there is and will always be a deficit that taxpayers are supporting with their wallets and checkbooks.
However anyone feels about their respective former presidential adminstrations the media will continue to spin the liberal agenda.
The democrats will still continue to take credit for reform.
The republicans will still continue to bury their money in the yard, etc.
of course those are gross generalizations, but before you give BIll Clinton a great deal of credit I have to say with the list I came up with in my former post came right off the top of my head because it is a great deal more extensive than what I could produce in a few seconds.
I dont understand why whether it is new or not has any relevance at all.
What I do see is more sniping from with either the left or the right and as long as people are naive enough to remain focused on the hype and hyperboli rather than the obvious then political ignorance shall remain blissful for them.
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Oct 13, 2008, 02:54 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Oct 13, 2008, 10:34 PM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Originally Posted by thunderclap
I realized the other day the only people who shouldn't be allowed to vote are non-U.S. citizens, people under the age of 16 (screw this 18 B.S) and people who watch Fox News.
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So, anyone that doesn't agree with YOU shouldn't be allowed to vote?
How very LIBERAL of you 
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Oct 14, 2008, 12:36 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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Oct 14, 2008, 12:43 AM
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Re: Unable to Win on Issues, McCain Ads Go 100% Negative
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So, anyone that doesn't agree with YOU shouldn't be allowed to vote?
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its more like " if your not a "______" then you dont care about America".
The problem with politics in America is that it is corrupt.
People can feel anyway they want to about anything but for God's sake some folks should get their head out of the sand and take a look around. Regardless of how anyone feels about civili liberties, they are slowly being eroded.
The leader that will impress me is the one that tackles those issues that immediately impact the quality of life of "all " Americans, regardless of colour, sex, race or creed.
The problem with liberalism is that someone has to pick up the tab for the wonderful ideas and programs and ventures.
I am not one of those Americans that feel we should give a dime to anyone that can get off their butts and go to work.
America has created a culture of "Hey I am entitled to that dammit" and that is draining our local and national resources to the point that further taxation is inevitable, but then I have already seen that.
We will eventually become like many socialist governments worldwide and that simply cannot happen.
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