Republican voter suppression, no joke.

DJShamrock

What's worse than the Republicans screwing up the economy and forcing you to forclose on your house? Why, taking away your voting rights because of it, of course.
Michigan Republicans Use Foreclosures To Eliminate Black Voters | FilthyRag.com

OldBuzzard

That's because the DEMOCRATS keep doing stuff like this:

Bad voter applications found | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

Like the Democrats like to say, "Vote early, vote often".

Falstaff

Now this I enjoy, because the average Republican or Democrat has absolutely no grasp of economics.
It isnt just local politics or economics that affects Americans, its on a global scale.
The folks that control most of the investment captial in the world arent Republicans or Democrats, they are simply very very rich and powerful.
So while the Obamaphiles and McCainophiles throw excrement at each other, the rich get richer and everyone else just bitches till the cows come home.

OldBuzzard

Maybe so Fallstaff...but I've never answered a HELP WANTED ad from a poor person

Just Learnin'

Never put a quarter in the cup or given to charity?

OldBuzzard

I think you missed my meaning there, Just Learnin'.

What I meant is that the 'rich' are the ones that hire people. You know, rich like Bill Gates, Sam Wall, and others people that own businesses and while they do reap the rewards, they also supply jobs.

I doubt that the panhandler down on the corner is gonna hire me to work for him for 80K a year.

And yes, I have and do 'put quarters in the cup'. In fact, according to recent information, a higher percentage of my income than "The Anointed One", who talks about us being "Our brother's keeper", whilst his OWN brother lives in a hut and subsists on the equivilent of $12.00 US a year.

And then there is the school in Kenya: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...age/article.do

Which IS finally getting help, but not from "The Anointed One": http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/31...hool-in-kenya/

SeraphicSorcerer

I think he was joking there. man, you are old. :P

Falstaff

OB is a buckeye, doesnt matter how old he is, his opinions are usually based on fact and not on what is "popular" or what you use to chat up women or play Crysis with your mates, etc.
Like most of us that work for a living, we are keenly interested in the bottom line and we dont want anyone, regardless of professed affiliation to mess with it.
get people off their asses and put them to work, pay taxes, burn fossil fuels and cut down the rain forest, here here!!
ah where was I .....
oh yeah...
Both parties would love to spin their campaigns to win over people on the fence during the upcoming elections, but I am afraid the community of voters will be much less polarized than before and down be surprised when we get more crap from the media about their own agenda and disatisfaction.
You want to take shots at anyone, take them at the News and Television media who are adamantly opposed against one party, so through balanced reporting out the window, etc.

OldBuzzard

You are definately right about that! I'm seeing someting that I wold have thought would hannen in anything other than a drug induced dream: Hillary Clinton supporters ACTIVELY supporting the McCain/Palin ticket.

When the MSM went into the tank for Obama and started trashing Hillary, they got their eyes opened. They finally saw the bias that the GOP has been seeing for decades, directed at them, and they ain't happy.

Check out this site: MAIN ROOM - New Threads & Current Hot Topics - www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Remember when you are there, that the majority of those posting are DEMOCRAT women who call themselves PUMAs. Sara Palin said that a hockey mom was a pitbull with lipstick. These PUMA ladies are more like RABID pitbulls with lipstick. A lot of folks don't know it because the MSM won't cover it, but the Democrat party is in DEEP trouble.

They are donating $ to the GOP. Some have gone to GOP rallies wearing their Hillary shirts, and have been amazed that they were actually treated better by the Republicans, than they were treated by their own party at the DNC Convention. A lot of them are finished with the Democrat Party, and now consider themselves either independent of Republican.

The MSM won't say it, but the fecal matter has definately contacted the oscillating mass air distribution system, and the Dems are going to lose this election, and it's going to be mostly the MSM's fault, because they pissed off close to 18 Million Democrat voters.

DJShamrock

The RNC has mailed out all these letters to low income housing places and where people house are getting forclosed. If their letters don't come back, they put them on a list of possible "voter fraud" so when the person shows up to vote, their name isn't on the roster. Well not having a home doesn't mean you can't vote. They just give you a provisional ballot. Last election, 775,000 ended up missing in the state of New Mexico. Millions just "dissapeared." This isn't a republican, democrat issue. This is a democracy issue. We are supposed to be telling the Iraqi's how to vote when our own system is currupt.

Vote Obama for the love of all that's holy.

OldBuzzard

UH, DJShamrock, you do know that MI is controlled by the DEMOCRATS? The Governor is a DEM, the Mayor of Detroit is a ...oops no, HE'S a convicted felon now...well any way he's a Dem too.

If any votes come up missing in MI, it will be the Democrats that make them dissappear.

You can save your 'crocodile tears' for someone that either cares, or might believe them, as I do neither.

You want to talk about Election Fraud?...OK, I'll be happy to oblige you:

Fraud in the 2008 Democratic caucuses We Will Not Be Silenced

Other election fraud across the country:

http://www.consumersrightsleague.org...%20Scandal.pdf

ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud — ACORN and Project Vote recruit and assign workers to low-income and minority neighborhoods to register people to vote. Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian

KMOX - Eight ACORN Workers Arrested For Election Fraud?

Featured Article - WSJ.com

Florida Cracker: ACORN Election Fraud In Miami

Cuyahoga board probes ACORN voter registration drive - Cleveland Metro News - The Latest Breaking News, Photos and Stories from The Plain Dealer

A word of advice...when you argue with an 'OLD Person', don't bring a knife to a gun-fight.

SeraphicSorcerer

I'll argue with anyone I please especially when their full of it, As for the election fraud it is both sides, and they're both idiots.
@ Felstaff opinions and facts have 2 distinct definitions. For as many facts as you can point one way in any political party you can point the facts the other way, I can do it with just one name, Rush Limbaugh, for the republicans.

I'm not for the democrats by any means, but I'm also not for any senator that flip flops more then john kerry and then lies his ass off like hes on a platfform of change simply because he got some full of shit soccer mom that won't even cooperate with a investigation that was going on well before her nomination as VP.

Just because she has a uterus doesn't mean she's the right woman for the job.
I also think that besides his charity work, Bill clinton damages the democratic party more then anyone. Btw this party of jefferson and lincoln shit is getting old. Guess what, they were for small as hell government, This new republican bible loving breed of idiots is not even close to what youj can define as republican.

The democrats I think have just been in the fringe to long, They don't not understand the issues, it's just how do they deal with shit thats been going on for 50 years? I don't think posting links can ever truly bring an argument to your favor, as like I said I am sure if I google it up, I can find just as many for the republicans as well, Nobody has their hands clean. Welcome to Politics.

OldBuzzard

Funny you should mention Rush Limbaugh...your boy Obama just did in a Spanish language advertisement. And, typical liebural fashion, took things out of context and twisted their meaning, hoping to scare some minority group. Flat out lieing about what was said.

Why he did that is anyone's guess, since Rush isn't running for President, VP, Senate, Congress, or even 3rd Asst Dogcatcher. BUT, your boy stepped on his dick this time, because Rush has archives, and can play them anytime he wants. 15 hours a week, with 20 million listeners. He doesn't have to be 'nice', he can call a liar a liar, it's going to be fun listening.

As for your 'uterus' comment...that just a bit off base. What's the matter, does the COMPITANT 'girl' make you personally feel inadaquate? For that matter, just what 'qualifications' does a VICE PRESIDENT need? You do know that's the posisition she's running for, right? Not PRESIDENT, not 'Emperor of the World"...VICE PRESIDENT, where OJT is perfectly acceptable.

I just can't wait until Nov 5th, when I can say to all you silly liburals....DOOOOOOD"S, you got beat by a GUUUUURRRRRIIIILLLLL !!"

SeraphicSorcerer

Oh because the republicans never spin anything? right I forgot, we live in republican perfect usa.

Sorry but I'll take OJT vs total idiots any day of the weak. I'd rather have the wheel in someone who knows how to drive rather then someone who might get a DUI. You forget that the president also has 40 or so advisors and barely ever makes a decision without consulting someone hence why we have secrataries of states, cabinets, etc. So what, It's not like its hard to go, oh we're gonna be attacked? Fire a missle. Sorry we're not at wr with vietnam, so hats off to mccain but sorry, your not better equipped then anyone else. Which is exactly why the constitutions 3rd requirement for president says not in the military, so we dont have some hardcore blowhard doofus going all hardline supremacy.

It's not off base, she's not that well liked. And wow, Rush has an audience of fan boys, Does that mean everything he speaks is the truth? I guess so in your book. I'm sorry you can't utter anything but rhetoric OB, Please enlighten me. Cuz I guess you're ASSuME(ing) I'm a liberal. I'm actually for quite small government, and I am for a balanced budget, But I'm also for social "welfare" because everyone deserves a chance. Maybe somewhere in the slums of new york, a guy who could rival albert einstein will never have that ahcne simply because hes to poor to get any kind of decent education. Anyhow The republicans had the helm, and f'ed up, It's time to let go of the stick and move in democrats, this race isnt nearly as tight as mcsame thinks it is, or he wouldnt be so far up Palin's ass.

Since you're a fan of posting links and what not here's I feel lucky, and theres plenty more for Rush No he's not running for president, but he's just a typical jerkoff who is "old" thinks he "knows everything" simply cuz the hairs on his head are grey.
http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/rushlie.html

but I must be mistaken the republicans the party that runs on a platform of spin and bullshit, would never do such a thing. the democrats aren't squeaky clean either. but I'll take them atm thanks. Btw I'm a centrist, not a liberal or conservative.

chillbilly

Good point Falstaff. The Fed runs this country.
And people need to stop endorsing these clowns masquerading as agents of change and start demanding more from their leaders.
Once again, the taxpayer bails out big business and the people who advocate change and less government are right in the middle of the scrum, pissing our money away like a schoolboy on his first drinking binge.

chillbilly

I don't believe you can have it both ways.
The government is too busy propping up unscrupulous financial marketeers and corrupt politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle to be able to afford even more social entitlements for the poor. How is government going to be lean and with a balanced budget, no less, when they are forced to fund every fug'n social program and bailout known to man?
That's a really nice story but .....Whatever happened to individuals assuming some responsibility for changing their own lives instead of expecting to be brought out of poverty by someone else?

SeraphicSorcerer

Man changed the rules of Individuality when he created society and FORCED people to get jobs in order to "survive". It's either that and live in the wood, which you can't legally do in the U.S Unless you own land, which requires money, when then forces you to work. So Individualism should take some responsibility yes, but when you're forced into poverty because you can't even get an education to get gainful employment, then duh. you got problems. It's is man's moral obligation to help those in need, so with your circular line of thinking, then someone just "wills themself" out of being poor, like that ever fuggin happens.

you should take a look at the defense budget, which is about 57% of our annual "budget". Cut it by 10% it'd be a wonder what the hell you could do with 50-100 billion. You don't have to cut funding to troops, you just have to outsource more contracts, or force lower payments etc for that. I don't know the actual figgure because I can't be bothered to actually look, but I do know the total defense budget is somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-800 billion in a fiscal year.

dawgXdenta

DawgX says Bush should go on trial once he steps down. That man is a terrorist.He should be taken to "those prisons"

SeraphicSorcerer

I don't think Bush is a terrorist, I just think he's not smart enough to comprehend the actual decisions he has made and the consequences they brought. I do however have huge issues with those decisions. I am sure at the time, all of his decisions seemed well founded, albeit bad decisions. Remember he has 40 advisors that he surrounds himself, and that's how you get the bullshit "Iraq has Nukes" Intel.
I do feel that with what they tried to impeach clinton over, that shit shoulda been brought to Bush's door.

chillbilly

You seem to be asserting(and complaining) about man's lot on this Earth and in society. No man has to be a victim or render his children victims. Societal conditions are not an excuse for people not finding a way to be productive and live a life above poverty level. That is an indivdual responsibility. Taking a socialist attitude and expecting government to throw money at problems created by people unwilling to be productive does not provide any incentive for anyone to find their way in life. It's simply condones more laziness and less initiative.
Sure, there are exceptions for those who cannot provide for themselves because of mental and physical disabilites and provisions should be made for them.
There's nothing circular about it.
Government is not charged with taking responsibility for your interpretation of a moral code and what obligations you think are required. Man's obligation is to himself and his family and he is not and should not be required to live up to what your interpretation of a "moral obligation" is.
Hell, if it's such a moral obligation, what kind of a philanthropist are you?

LOL So, using your logic, our defense budget can be pared down to throw money at whom? More street people who can find time to pander but can't find time to look for work? Maybe you should be bothered to look at the amount of social entitlements that are pissed away every single year to encourage unwed welfare mothers to continue spitting out babies to enhance their welfare checks. Or the money spent trying to enforce laws on the books for men to pay for the children they refuse to pay for.
And it's supposed to be my "moral obligation" to agree that my taxes would be better spent giving money to the poor instead of in defense of this country?
It may be your "moral obligation" to be a bleeding heart but it sure as hell isn't mine.
I know what it's like to do without. And I know what it takes to pull my own ass out of poverty to achieve success. You can condone laziness and being a victim if you want to and you can complain about man's condition in society, but don't expect people who have been in a position of having nothing and pulled themselves up out of it to swallow that type of bullshit.

It's all about assuming responsibility and accepting the challenge to resolve individual problems and stop whining about them and expecting everyone else to solve problems for you.

chillbilly

The intelligence that was submitted to Bush on WMD's was independent of Bush's domain and had nothing to do with his staff. And the jury is still out on whether those WMD's were not in Iraq at the time intel said that they were.
Remember the UN Resolutions that Iraq rejected and remained defiant over? American forces had the overwhelming support of Congress because Iraq was defying the world and not allowing UN Inspectors into their country. And those liberal congressman that we now find objecting to the motives for going into Iraq, sure as hell were for it then..... until congessional and presidential elections came along. And they saw the same intelligence that the president and his staff saw.
Unless you're one of those conspiracy theorists who believe that Bush manipulated the intel before congress saw it and you also think that 9/11 was staged by American power brokers too.
Of course you do. You don't see a problem at all with a president, his First Lady, and his staff that repeatedly lied under oath about his "no sex" blowjobs in the Oval Office, Whitewater, Filegate and Vince Foster while the terrorist threats around us were gathering and becoming more prevalent.
I suppose the Bush presidency was responsible for 9/11 happening just months into his presidency too, huh?

It's more than just a bit of an embarassment to have to explain to my young son what the term "Blowjob" means because he heard the president got one from an intern young enough to be his daughter.
It's called Integrity and your "issues" with Bush's intelligence and lack of taking issue with Clinton over his gutless administration contradicts your earlier post about moral obligation.