Terrorism?

bluelight

In 1948 a group of 4 jews killed a man sent by the UN to negotiate peace .His name was Bernadotte and he was Swedish.


His murderers were convicted by a jewish court and given......two weeks in prison after which they were released.

The murderers had connections to several peoPle that later would become members of Jewish government and one of them considered tne brain of the attak (Yitzak Shamir)later became prime minister.



Was this terrorism??

Or was it legimit acts of freedom seeking?

If it was terrorism....why do and did the world accept the murderers after they had commited the murder?


If it was freedom fighting........Then.....What is the problemn with organisations like Hamas?







Im asking because soon Sharon will rip the roadmap tp peace into shreads...and im very curious as to how....Usa will react.And...history is still relevant when judging todays acts in the mideast as far as im concerned.


Bluelight

JavaFox

It was neither. I am not intimately familiar with the details of the event you've just described, but it seems to me that that was murder, not terrorism. It certainly wasn't the act of a freedom fighter, but I don't think it can be considered terrorism, either.

Falstaff

more info here
I am familiar with this incident, and I was informed it was planned murder, not the first nor the last in my estimation. The death of Dag Hammerskald was also considered to be a murder as well, but the facts are controversial, because it implicates the CIA as well..very touchy subject...bold.....very very bold...

Falstaff

some info from PRAVDA

Terrorists or freedom fighters, within the scope of a wartime culture that the nation of Israel has adapted to, I ask myself the question, why they seek out threats as we do and jealously prosecute them while they are with their families...they use drones and helicopters as we do, they are more successful, because they operate within the borders of the nation they occupy. But they have sought terrorists in France, Germany, Norway, England, America, South America, Mexico, Thailand, Sumatra, Indonesia, Japan, Taiwan, India, Pakistan, Albania..and they have been successful, most notably the famous designer of a massive gun, that worked for NASA at one time...he nearly sold Saddam an incredible weapon, that would have launched a ballistic weapon through a cannon barrel from hundreds of miles away...the israeli secret police was accused of eliminating him in Germany I believe...

bluelight

So it wes neither...Then the Hamas aren`t terorists.

Good.

I was just curious about the American standpoint on this.

I was afraid that you were still fuelled by "Ye olde double standards" the one thar Bush now says he has got rid of with his "roadmap to peace".


Bluelight

JavaFox

So let me get this straight. Four Jews kill a diplomat. I call this murder, not terrorism.

HAMAS and its ilk have systematically bombed pizzarias, cafeterias, colleges, schools, and discos.

How are they the same?

Terrorism is systematic illegal warfare used to instill fear and bring about political change. Are you saying there is something systematic about how those Jews acted? That means diplomats are constantly killed when they go to Israel.

bluelight

Yeah...they are the same.

These four jews were part of a terror organisation started by a jew named Stern.

A man that actually negotiated with Hitler to get help in the beginning of the forties when trying to get rid of the English froim Palestine....which was the name at the time..


Members of this organisation and closely connested ones have been most of the latter primeministers of Israel.

Yes yes they were a terror organisartion and the state of Israel is a result of terrorism.....or shall we say freedom fighting....

Or ...how is is it?

Arabs are terrorists?
And Jews and christians have a mission from God......Yeah!! Thats it...that must be it.


Bluelight

The_Neon_Cowboy

you probubly think that ........................

bluelight

No American logic says Jews arent terrorists when they are .......................terrorists...


so followingly Arabs arent terrorists when performing terrror acts...


And.....dont start pushing it.....American



Bluelight

Falstaff

a hit team or planned murder is just that, nothing more, regardless of the nationalitie or semantics..

bluelight

Jeff


Tell me...are there different definitions of terrorism depending on who is performing it?

MYT questionb earlier was posed to Americans with the wiew that Hama are terrorists and that Jews have always and will always be performing "freedom fighting.

To me it also seems that the Us giovernment through time has looked upon reality this way.


Myself i think there is something weird with a wiew like that and...i am even prepared to switch my wiew of the Hamas as terrorists and consider them as legit freedom fighters ...unless......i see a change in the double standards that currently prevails.


Bluelight

bluelight

Since you still dont believe that Rumsfeld has been selling Ice cream to Mr Saddam and sicnce you dismiss every proof of this that is commonly known by everyone i ask you to look at the left wing website maintained by CNN and i aslo you...did CNN edit this picture??

They were actually the first that published it....There is a whole video if im not wrong to droole over....


So ...when you have finished looking....ask your self if there is any major pointy in writing about France....selling icecream...to the Green guy on the photo.




The leftwing website CNN

mike2h

i think america envy is a form of penis envy. jmo.

mike2h

i also think that people that constantly refer to israelis as 'jews' are uninformed or suffering from some form of anti- semitism. again jmo.

mike2h

i do apologise to anybody i have offended that does not fall into either of those classifications.

bluelight

Isnt Isarel a Jewish nation??? I mean...even if there are Palestinians residing within the border of Israel one must use a lot of imagination to thibnk of Israel as anything else than jewish....

Do you have the same problem refering to people as muslims? Or christians?





Bluelight

Falstaff

within the context of a prolonged war, with no clear goal in sight, to struggle against oppression is one thing...to plant bombs and kill people walking down the street is another...terrorists choose domestic targets, and regardless of the motive, kill lots of innocent people, this to me is criminal intent..
If the palestinians were organized and controlled and had a voice, and could make their case to the United nations without killing anyone for awhile, then what ever forces they could organize and martial could become their freedom fighters...
But I know that hatred exists on both sides, the palestinians appear as ignorant thugs bent on self destruction with wailing women and children with dynamite around their waists, but that just can't be true right...Surely there is a voice among them strong enough to get them to listen..

mike2h

like i said, uninformed. there are many muslim & christian israelis. & no i do not. i have a problem with people who always refer to israelis as jews. that also applies to any other culture. refering to a culture/nation by its predominant religion reeks of prejudice. in your case i am going to assume you are just uninformed.

Falstaff

The nation of Israel wouldn't exist unless it was supported at home and abroad by people who were senstive to the Zionist cause, and who were selling weapons of course...be that as it may...there is a percentage of Israeli's who are christian and muslim as well.

merry

Jew
Pronunciation: 'jü
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French gyu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew YehudhI, from YehudhAh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century
1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : ISRAELITE
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

Falstaff

The original meaning of "Islam" is the acceptance of a view or a condition which previously was not accepted. In the language of the Holy Qur'an, Islam means the readiness of a person to take orders from God and to follow them. "Muslim" is a word taken from the word Islam. It applies to the person who is ready to take orders from God and follow them.

"Abraham was not a Jew nor a Christian, but he was an upright (man), a Muslim; and he was not one of the Polytheists." 3:67

mike2h

well i just looked it up in the newest version of the american heritage dictionary & it gave basically the same meaning that your source did, except for the 1b part that i assume you capitalised. jews are a subset of israelis. the largset subset to be sure but not the only one. the point being that every time the poster invlolved mentioned something bad about the israleis(as far as i can tell every post he made about them) it was the jews did this or the jews did that to so & so. i am not sure what his feelings are towards jews. i just wanted to make sure that he knew that israeli nationals are racially, culturally, & religously diversified.

Falstaff

Many Israeli's live abroad, although they are citizens and have served their obligation in the military..

mike2h

fallang_jeff. do you have clones? you sure get around fast. maybe i should report you. kinda the inverse of the more than one identity rule!

bluelight

Well im gonna continue lookingupon it like this:

Israel is a nation.In it lives mostly Jews and muslims.

The nation in itself is made to suit jews.Not arabs.


That is simpole.

Just like Southafrica was made to fit whites.

A future Palestinian nation...(although i doubt that one will exist during my lifetime) would be made to fit muslims.


Bluelight