OmegaRED

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I don't drink beer cause the Government puts chemicals in it to control our minds!

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[hobo]eclipse

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Lets have a look at what Larry Silvertein the current WTC leaseholder is and isnt willing to answer about his actions that day

YouTube - Larry Silverstein (video taken 3-13-08)

oh, and if you must read, or just dont understand the language "from the horses mouth", lemme know and ill get u a transcript

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OmegaRED

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Was that supposed to be the smoking gun? Maybe I do need to see the transcript because I didn't hear him say "we blew up the towers, it wasn't terrorists".

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[hobo]eclipse

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Cmon Omega i did say the video contained that, is that an OK thing that this man was caught in a lie about who he talked to and wouldn't even touch the question? Or that he sued the insurance firms insuring the WTC mulitple times in order to get the event classified as 2 seperate attacks, effectivley doubling his claim from the $3.5 billion range to $7 billion+ dollars?

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OmegaRED

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This guy is old news and not proof of any conspiracy.

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[hobo]eclipse

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Conspiracy aside, strange he wont answer the question on who it is he actually talked with on the evening of the 11th and agreed to pull, weather it be the firefighters (who were actually already moved away from earlier in the day) or the building itself. He is just not a credible source for what actually happened on that day, but did get the $7 billion insurance claim that he fought to double.

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Judas

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it's an utter disgrace to simply accept everything that most people tend to agree with.... it's called going with the flow.... riding the biggest wagon, being just another person that tends to not think twice about anything and goes on living a life in ignorance... perhaps it's blissful, but i can't stand it.


You state it like it's fact..... in actuality, it's just the "accepted" fact.... but doesn't mean it's indeed true. Take your own advice.... you call me an idiot for considering different possibilities... and trying to think outside the box.... if you had it the way you seem to want to think, we'd still consider ourselves the center of the universe, the world would be flat... people would still be executed for even questioning anything of any sort. Think about it.


How can you sit there, and say for certain that it's indeed.. "this way"..... where you there, the entire time? Did you witness all the drama that occurred... that's not possible, you couldn't possibly in all those places at the same time to know for sure, for yourself.. that any of this happened like you say your beleive for a fact it do...


and please...

Quit playing the "people died" card in that manner you are.

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I forgot who it was, but somebody said that the bombs i was talking about were two planes full of jetfuel. First of all, the WTC as explained by the architect, was designed to sustain multiple impacts of 737 impacts from all sides of the building. That being said Jet fuel burns at 1,000 deg C ''the maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1,000°C—hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1,500°C.'' - Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

''In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments '' - How Hot Did The Jet Fuel Heat The World Trade Center?

(wtf why is my text purple) If the heat of the jet fuel and fire isnt hot enough to melt steel, then why did the towers collapse? Your looking at the fact that both of the towers collapsed in exactly the same fasion which is pancake fasion, straight down. Which is the way it should look during a controlled demolition. Also there is photographic evidence of the WTC core columns being being cut diagnally, from thermite Thermite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Obviously this core column beam couldnt have looked like this after a collapse from fire.. Evidence Of Thermite On WTC Core Columns - Photo

Also have been reports of molten metal, surrounding the wtc and building 7 after the collapse. How could molten metal be created from jetfuel.

Firefighter Describes "Molten Metal" at Ground Zero, like a "Foundry"

The only way molten metal could appear would be from thermite explosions from the basement.

More evidence is shown in the documentary Loose Change as well as zeitgeist, though zeitgeist stole some information from loose change.
Dont question any more until you watch the videos, or you will just make a fool of yourself.
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Also I forgot to mention building 7, how could it have collapsed when it wasnt even struck by a plane? It had a few scattered fires in the lower floor, in the front of the building. And if the building was in fact brought down like that, it should have lurched forward, when it fell, But instead it collapsed straight down, avoiding contact with surrounding buildings and leaving them perfectly safe..

[hobo]eclipse

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Seems these folks should have some base knowledge of the subject matter, and can even think logically enough to setup a web page and a petition! Have a look see!

AE911Truth

AE911Truth petition signers

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Falstaff

what can you say......
I am sure there will be more interations of this sort of thing
it isnt faith that is the problem, it is man...

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[hobo]eclipse

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Oh Falstaff, I love you man!

Sadly enough, even if a bomb was to drop and bacon takes fight, there would be no difference, people deserve to know what happened and is happening to them.

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Falstaff

indeed...
but those that wish to find the devil either in the technology or in the word of God need look no further than see their image in a mirror..
we are the caretakers of this earth, mere stewards of what we deem to be our world, therefore our responsibility, regardless of what we believe is to safeguard it for the future and refuse to mortgage the future of our children for what we wish to do today.
It is the duality of man I am afraid, to seek perfection and never attain it either spiritually or with technology, but we will try.
I made my peace with God along time ago, and I know there will be wars, rumours of wars and intrigue enough to fill the history books of the victorious and the vanquished.
If we really knew what goes on around the meeting tables and boardrooms of our world it would scare the hell out of us and force us to think about what we can do ourselves to prepare our souls for what ever reward there may be, or lack there of. We are no accident or chance blending of cosmic goo.. What ever anyone believes, one thing is true, we are never short of lies, half truths and hyperbole. So much time is spent ignoring the obvious that energy is wasted rationalizing what is going on around us. I have just two words. Human nature. We are not ready to take ownership for this world and we easily speculate and believe whatever we see on the television, film or on our own computers.
The temporary suspension of disbelief might be what makes a movie a blockbuster, but useless in the face of the media and the tools to disseminate more crap.
Its like who will be in the whitehouse next time, does it matter? I will vote and make an informed choice, I will watch the news, I will listen to opinions, etc. But I know that no matter what I think, the world we know from our finger tips to our LCD screens is evolving into a huge mess. I just try to find what I believe to be convincing and interesting things that I see or hear, but trust little if anything I read anymore about politics and conspiracy theories, etc.

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OmegaRED

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If only you could apply that skepticism to religion, you'd win me over

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