cozumel

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I definitely think that abortion is used as an easy get out clause for men and woman who don't know how to have responsible sex. I personally do not agree with abortion for reasons other than rape, a life-threatening condition in the mother, extreme poverty whereby the welfare of the child is at risk or where either parent is deemed unfit to bring up a child. It is morally wrong to destroy an embryio (nothing to do with religion). If you don't want a baby then don't have unprotected sex. Simple.

I would also like to correct the OP and a couple of others who have implied that everything in the decision should revolve around the woman. It should, in most cases, be a decision that is undertaken jointly by both partners as they have both been responsible for the creation of the embryio and will be for its upbringing should the famale give birth.

Everything else in the replies I agree with.

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Judas

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life begins and ends in mutlti billions of trillions to the power OF billions of trillions.... daily....

We, as well as they, murder on such a mass amount, that it's litterly impossible to really conceive.

Life, as we know it, and others tend to refer to a set of cells developing into something such as a infant has various stages that everyone has thier own opinion on which is the murder stage.

Frankly, at just about as wide an angel on life in general, every time you use any form of bacterial soap, take a shower, scrub your teeth, etc. you are essentially murdering life forms, where you know for sure, even if current science and theology states they have no form of "awareness" or thought in a manner of speaking.... your still purposely killing them. and NO, there are usually more GOOD bacterial living things usually present on and in your body then there is bad!, so don't use an excuse to side step that point... aka fact.

But as for my personal standpoint on it, aborting, while not imo thing to do, it completely leave that up to the person having it...... they shouldn't abort after the stage where there is enough matter to make up even the minute trace of brain matter, or what would form a higher intelligence abilities. But IF you want to really push the facts, most children probably don't become fully aware until several months AFTER being born. They might have the learning abilities, but single specific identity isn't completely set in stone, and fully realized by the child until much later after birth.

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Neshi

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ah, maybe they use abortion as anti-conception in America but in Europe that isn't really the case with the majority. And I think abortion should/stay legal. A condom that rippes, rape, illness of the mother and whatnot. If abortion would be illegal it would be too hard to control and regulate the abortions. You'd get little (illegal) shops where they would offer their services without the proper instruments.

I think banning abortion would cause more problems then keeping it legal.

And about the point the OP made. I wouldn't mind if I was the one being aborted. I don't think I would have felt it, or even realized they were killing me. I would just seize to exist...

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cozumel

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That has to be one of the bizarre posts I've ever read. Are you not glad to be alive?

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Neshi

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you have to read everything i post...
sure I'm glad to be alive, but if I was aborted I wouldn't know I had a potential future would I. "I don't think I would have felt it, or even realized they were killing me. I would just seize to exist..."
I don't think the fetuses 'feel' or 'realize' they are being aborted, so they don't know their life is being ended. In that way, I wouldn't mind being aborted, as I wouldn't have realized I had a life in the first place.

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cozumel

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Thanks for the clarification. I did read your entire post but just wasn't sure if the comments went together or if they were separate points you were making. I'm just happy that you are happy and have no suicidal ideation lol. I was a bit worried for a minute.

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Neshi

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haha no need mate. I'll keep on living

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>GSXR<mrbusa

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This is not meant as a troll statement.......

If the anti abortion believers really cared about life and the longevity of the human race then they would consider other factors into there reasoning other than just wanting to tell people what is right and what is wrong. Abortion should not be used as a means for birth control, but lets face it, most abortions are performed on young teenagers that are never going to change. The earths resources and society should not have to take on the burden of caring for these future bastard children. If a female gets pregnant and she is not married or if she is and the couple doesn't meet certain financial guideline and background check then there should be a mandatory abortion.
There should also be a limit to the amount of children people can produce no matter what there means. I am so sick of going to pick my son up from school and seeing a mom there picking up four or five kids from the same grade school. All of them in goodwill clothing and skinny as a cancer patients. This is the reason my son has to be in a classroom with 40 or so kids for one teacher and one aid that barley speaks english.
I could write a book of all my OPINIONS of why abortion should be even more readily available and even mandatory but I will stop there.
Birth control should be all that is needed to prevent abortions but it is not, I wish it was so don't go calling me a baby killer. I am just a realist and do not believe in some FANTASY higher power that is going to strike me down because I believe in population control.

Neshi

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^^ I agree ^^

although they shouldn't make abortion mandatory.
In China they had the 1-child politics for a while (maybe they still do) and i think they should implement that everywhere. it would solve alot and people who had more then 1 child should get a fine. and abortion should be watched closely so people that would like a girl/boy and when it can be seen the child they carry isn't the gender they desired, an abortion would be no option.
because in china there are now alot of boys because of the 1child politics, cos boys are better in supporting(money) the old parents then girls.

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OmegaRED

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I disagree, while the couple does have their individual choices the mans expires the moment he has sex, if she gets pregnant it's her decision what to do with the fetus.

That's more or less how I see it too. Whenever a man masturbates he's killing millions of sperm should this be outlawed too?

I have a problem with the fundamental belief of anti-abortionists, that all life is precious, it's a biological function and not a gift from the Gods. A woman could give birth like a rabbit if she spent her whole life making babies...is that precious? A man could line up 100 ovulating women and impregnate them all (if he's Peter North). Is that precious?

The beauty in life isn't in making babies it's in how they are raised.

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Judas

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omfg, i spelt angle as angel.. rotfl....

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Maddogg6

VERY TRUE - too much emphasis on 'the miracle of life' and too little on 'raising' - which to me is the real miracle - hell, it takes sooo little skill to make a baby, but raising healthy and fit (mentally) is a whole different story - I see too many people who lack those skills and their children are the proof (are now a burden to society).
Does our society need more burdens if they can be prevented??

Is abortion an 'easy out' for un-responsible sex - YES. no argument there.
Is making it illegal going to some how miraculously make people more responsible? - I have serious doubts....

Driving past the speed limit is illegal too, is dangerous etc.. but THAT in its self is like a micro-economy when talking about collecting fines from speeders.
Bottom line - making abortion illegal wont stop it from happening.

Also, I believe its quite a struggle for most women to make that decision and *not* like a decision of what dress to wear, or what ever. To assume *most* women just decide to abort on a whim - to me, is a sign of disrespect to women in general. It seem to indicate they think women are not capable of making that decision. This ideology sound frightening similar to religious rhetoric - Most (if not) all high clergy are men, Jehovah's witness' say women have no soul (or used to anyway) and 'women are not capable of making decisions'... Or is that just me that makes that connection ??

Old prison inmate to new inmate:
old: 'What are ya in fur?'
new: 'Genocide'
old: 'Wow, can I be *your* biatch?'

lol - and how the hell do you enforce *that* law....
'Your under arrest, we found sperm on your bed, too much to be nocturnal emmisions'

Oh - the ramifications sure seem like it could get quite ... erm... sticky...

OmegaRED

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Here's a great vid

What anti-abortion demonstrators said when asked what the punishment should be for women who got abortions if abortion became illegal. Thats quite amazing how these people are so contradictory. Its murder... but its murder that should go unpunished...

Asking Anti-Abortion Demonstrators an Important Question at Shoutfile.com

Unfortunately, no one has yet answered that question in this thread

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cozumel

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Well, it's a pretty crap debate as everyone more-or-less agrees with one-another (with only subtle differences). The only one who maybe wants to put forward a different view is the OP and he/she has sadly gone missing. Makes for a pointless thread...

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OmegaRED

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That's what I've been saying

We're all choir members here. The Bible Thumpers aren't coming near this thread

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