cozumel

He unfortunately appears to be coming up quite fast on the rails never-the-less. So is Obama come to that (against Cliton)...

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Kazeko

OldBuzzard...

Exactly the concept I was trying to convey, but couldn't piece the english together.

[hobo]eclipse

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Senor_Mota

I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that pic, hobo.

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Kazeko

You still haven't answered my question, nor explained how your emotion conveys fact and reality.


Because what IS, and what ISN'T are absolutes Sir.

I fully realize, AND SUPPORT people that corporate america has supported as well. - Because they have a right to an opinion too, just like you and I.

(Did anyone ask why Goldman Sachs Supports Clinton AND Giuliani?)


Try to understand something Hobo...


Ron Paul, stands for every emotional concept that many buy into, simply because it FEELS good, or you THINK it's right. - It's called Moral Greed. -- You can be greedy with Emotion, gaining a sense of Moral Superiority over another, much in the same way many (including corporate america) gains a sense of monetary superiority and physical greed.


Unfortunately, while Emotion is an Important characteristic of the human mind, it is something that even monkeys, cats, dogs, and lemmings are capable of. Rational Thought, however, is a characteristic unique to the human being. - So, drop the emotional, and think. Rationalize it. Does a lack of taxes make sense? No, no it doesn't. Neither do many of the other arguments. They cater to an emotional idea, something that FEELS right, whether it makes sense or not. If you argued a nationwide consumption tax, I'd sit here and analyze the concepts with you.

Keep in mind...
Feeling, and Belief, give sanction to the fact that you DONT KNOW.

If you KNEW, then it would not be a belief, It would not be a FEELING. It would be KNOWLEDGE.

So, do you KNOW, that Ron Paul is right, or do you BELIEVE he is.


I've had a couple beers tonight, so I'll re-check this tomorrow or friday, for continuity.

[hobo]eclipse

so you know that all of Ron Pauls positions are not based on fact, i mean what do you believe the guy is running on? The fact of the matter is a great majority of Americans vote on what FEELS right to them, they dont have the time to filter through all the bannter of who is more supported by the "black" voter, who smoked pot in their teens, or which religion is superior and why that canidate is of that religious denomination. And this is the crap people hear most about from our wonderful network media.

BTW, did you even bother to watch the video i posted above? Nothing but facts up there, Ron Paul isnt in the video and his name is mentioned once in the 9 min video, hardly a plug for Ron Paul, but just a note that he's the only canidate seeing the picture clearly on the issue at hand.

so Kazeko do you KNOW, that Ron Paul is wrong, or do you BELIEVE he is.

The current situation the world and the United States find themselves in today is not something that came about from situations happening last month, last year, or even 6 years ago for that matter. True the changes Ron Paul proposes are big ones, to big for some to even consider comprehending, but things would not happen over night. I believe his greatest acomplishment as President would be to get people moving in a direction, a direction of a better more stable America, a nation by Americans for Americans.

How many of the 300 military installations across 170 different countries have you been to Kazeko?

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OldBuzzard

I can't speak for Kazeko, but in 1964-1968 I had been on 5. Lackland, Keesler, Wright-Pat, Travis, and Clark.

Even then the military had no love for the liberals. LBJ and company wouldn't allow the military to do it's job, and even tho we were winning, we were told to slink away like cowards in South-east Asia. I 'could' tell you what I think about liberals, like LBJ, Hanoi Jane and others, but this isn't the FWZ, and I'd surely get banned if I did.

Care to let us know how many YOU have been stationed on?

As for Ron Paul and his pie-in-the sky positions...remember...if it sounds too good to be true...it is. He's a LOON.

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[hobo]eclipse

i havent been to any, nor at this point would i feel very proud to be at one. oldbuzzard you remind me of my old high school principle and his silly lil slogan of "perception is fact''

once again though, did you bother to watch the video? The Comptoller General of the United States Government Accountability Office (basicly the accountant for the U.S.) talks of the US deficet, the huge debt, and the obligations of future generations to pay for it through taxes. Thats right, all our income taxes do go and will go for along time to pay the national debt. This huge debt that is incured from maintaining all these bases, giving ludacris contracts to private firms in the name of homeland security and war in iraq, and a loose over bugeted over spending foriegn policy . WATCH THE VIDEO! I suppose since these guys and Ron Paul seem to be on the same ground on this issue they would be "LOONS" as well, or is it only because Dr. Paul a couple of good ideas?

i respect the fact that you as an individual served buzzard, but that does not mean the greater machine you were/are a part of was/is on the right path.

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Zelig

The job of the military is to execute the will of the people of a country, who elect leaders in order to do so.

edit: I'm not really following the comment on LBJ and south-east Asia, he increased the troops in Vietnam from 16,000 to 550,000.

No they don't... check the numbers. In 2003, total interest paid on the debt was $318 billion, total tax collection was just under $2 trillion.

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[hobo]eclipse

so isn't that INTEREST paid on the debt and not the debt itself?

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Zelig

Yes, but the debt itself isn't getting paid down, it's getting larger.

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[hobo]eclipse

Exactly! Our money is basicly being tossed down the drain.

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Zelig

What? The debt is getting larger because more money is being borrowed, not because money is being wasted...

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[hobo]eclipse

borrowing more money to finance worldly excursions and for implementing systems here at home that intertwine the government into even more aspects of your life, meanwhile collecting taxes and spending it all on worldly excursions, implemented systems here at home that intertwine the govenment into even more aspects of your life and paying of the interest on the national, debt not even touching the principle = wasted

so why all this borrowing? obviously the gov is spending way more than it actually takes in from the people. root causes?

a.) people are not taxed nearly enough

b.) the govenment is spending far to much

Which resonates with you?

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mike2h

hobo, would you care to clarify your position on our soldiers?

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