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Dec 27, 2007, 02:51 PM
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In the Octagon
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Originally Posted by Falstaff
God does not hate anyone or thing.
absolute rubbish and twattle.
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Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.-
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
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Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
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Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
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Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
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Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."
http://www.carm.org/uni/Godhates.htm
That was only the 2nd page Google spit out there's lots of them.
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Dec 27, 2007, 06:58 PM
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As was referenced before (and subsequently agreed with) God, does not necessarily hate anyone. Perhaps the authors or slant from translators and/or editors did.
Again, Christianity is what you get out of it. If you think God is hateful... all you. I feel bad for you, and might be inclined to suggest some attention, but go go Quaker mentality I guess.
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Dec 27, 2007, 07:20 PM
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#18 (permalink)
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Pardon me Kazeko, I didn't realize you were on a 1 on 1 basis with God. Next time you talk to him ask Him if he loves screaming babies on airplanes...surely He has limits too.
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Dec 27, 2007, 07:37 PM
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Probably among the top reasons for airplane accidents.
Anyway it's not so surprising that many christians turn to Jesus rather than God, even if that's something not easily admitted outside branches that may openly prefer Jesus to God.
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Dec 27, 2007, 07:55 PM
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In the Octagon
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Originally Posted by mkk
Probably among the top reasons for airplane accidents.
Anyway it's not so surprising that many christians turn to Jesus rather than God, even if that's something not easily admitted outside branches that may openly prefer Jesus to God.
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This explains why nearly every Christian I've debated religion with brushes aside the Old Testament like it's a rough draft for the New Testament.
I guess I do the same thing with the Star Wars prequels 
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Dec 27, 2007, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OmegaRED
I guess I do the same thing with the Star Wars prequels 
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Heresy! *sorry, could not resist since the prequels are nothing but lies from the devils tounge*
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Dec 27, 2007, 11:23 PM
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Ouch! I got negative rep for that Star Wars comment 
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Dec 28, 2007, 03:15 AM
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There are so many excuses to cover up the mistakes of "god".
He's all powerful and all great? Yet evil exists so it must be HIS creation no? I mean, he is everywhere in everything so evil must be his idea?
Cancer and disease is god's work then? People with HORRIFIC genetic disease is, if god models us all, his work no?
And god, according to the different religions that represent him hates a LOT of things...
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Dec 28, 2007, 10:13 AM
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again...
God hates n0 one....
Omega mentioned that the scripture was written and re-written by men over a thousand years so envitably it will be twisted to echo the sentiments of men, but God does not hate anyone, christianity like many religions is about love not hatred..Just googling a few passages from the bible will not suffice..
again..
rubbish and twattle.
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Dec 28, 2007, 10:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Falstaff
again...
God hates n0 one....
Omega mentioned that the scripture was written and re-written by men over a thousand years so envitably it will be twisted to echo the sentiments of men, but God does not hate anyone, christianity like many religions is about love not hatred..Just googling a few passages from the bible will not suffice..
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rubbish and twattle.
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Typical religious rubbish.
All the good things in scripture are true but the moment there is anything bad it's a translation error or edited.
Whenever a person does good in the name of religion it is virtuous and praised but if they do bad it's called extremism or fundamentalism.
Christianity is about love...except when it isn't. Islam is a religion of peace...except when it isn't.
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Jan 2, 2008, 02:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaRED
Pardon me Kazeko, I didn't realize you were on a 1 on 1 basis with God. Next time you talk to him ask Him if he loves screaming babies on airplanes...surely He has limits too.
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Assuming you've read the Bible (which obviously, you have, or you're really good at pulling quotes from it), "God" is omnipotent, omniscient and infinitely benevolent - therefore, he has no emotional limit. Of course, this is all based upon theory and here-say, so what truly separates science and religion? It's all based on what other people think about someone or something. The stigma of "God" is based solely upon infinity - an approach that man or humanity will never come to an end. So in that fact, how could "God" "hate" the screaming baby on the airplane? His patience is "infinite". How could you hate the screaming baby? It's just doing what babies instinctively do for the first year of their life to gain attention from their paternal influences.
So what truly separates "God" from man? It's easy - humanity has hope, reason and faith in thinking that there is one being or one consciousness out there who will not be so petty and vain as we are. We may be right and we may be wrong; but not a SINGLE person out there can define what truly happens once we leave our Physical makeup for the Coporeal makeup that is theorized to concur after we die.
For me, Death is an end to something that cannot end - but who can say time is infinite? It is simply a process designed by mankind to monitor our ongoing decay. Since everything most people believe to be true is based on pure precursory speculation to begin with, can we not say that "God" is not really "God" at all? Could it be something simpler, or more complicated? These are answers that may not never be revealed to us. But for now, in this moment, you can believe what you want to believe, because you have faith in yourself. You think you're right because you do. No one, not even "God", can change that.
If "God" is really watching, he'll know you've had the strength and faith to do what YOU think is right - and isn't that the point of Christianity anyways? To do the right thing in the reflection of "God"? Maybe, just maybe, people will realize someday that love, life and happiness are all things we create for OURSELVES - not for anyone else. There will always be those whom you wish to influence with your positivity, but they may not think you're right in doing so - because they think they're right.
It's a brutal, vicious cycle with no end - somewhat like "Time", "God" and "Death", all concepts perceived by man and only one with any sort of proof. You live within time, you live within God, but Death only brings finality to the process. Like I said before - do what YOU think is right. You don't have very much time here to make an impact - for when Death's visage comes calling for you - you won't have "time" to call "God" and make amends for every single negative happening in your life. You'll die in the middle of it.
You just might have time to think that you lived a good life and you did what you thought was right, what you thought was true. People loved you and you loved them. You made your impact. It's peaceful, calming and serene to know that. Isn't that the way you'd want to go?
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Jan 2, 2008, 03:41 PM
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good stuff senor, but your selling a good bill of goods to the wrong person. omega doesnt want to 'discuss', or 'debate', he just wants to denigrate.
he will ignore what doesnt fit into his view & cant refute with his skewed logic. or he will use somebody elses opinions/thoughts to refute your concepts.
his bottom line is debasing religion & people that have ANY sort of belief in any god. not sure why he spends the time & energy to put down so many peoples belief systems...
bty, i tend to believe in god as an overall good entity & that EVERYONE will be judged on how they act according to what they know is right & wrong in their hearts. not on the specific religion(i do have issues with religions as a whole) they believe in. sounds like you are similar. i have presented this concept to omega before, & like ANYTHING related to a belief in a supreme being he had issues with it.
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Jan 2, 2008, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike2h
good stuff senor, but your selling a good bill of goods to the wrong person. omega doesnt want to 'discuss', or 'debate', he just wants to denigrate.
he will ignore what doesnt fit into his view & cant refute with his skewed logic. or he will use somebody elses opinions/thoughts to refute your concepts.
his bottom line is hating religion & people that have ANY sort of belief in any god. not sure why he spends the time & energy to put down so many peoples belief systems...
bty, i tend to believe in god as an overall good entity & that EVERYONE will be judged on how they act according to what they know is right & wrong in their hearts. not on the specific religion(i do have issues with religions as a whole) they believe in. sounds like you are similar. i have presented this concept to omega before, & like ANYTHING related to a belief in a supreme being he had issues with it.
a little advice - dont feed trolls 
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I don't hate people for their religious beliefs but in many cases the religion they practice does not deserve my respect, it's not my problem if you take it personally when I point out Biblical fallacies.
This guy says it much better than I could, I feel the same way as him.
YouTube - Why does faith deserve respect?
He addresses many of the accusations you guys have made against me.
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Jan 2, 2008, 05:34 PM
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