Human cloning & stem cell reasearch...

Dom · Apr 11, 2003, 04:31 AM

What is your stance on this topic?

Is it ethical?

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 11, 2003, 07:25 AM

Ethical, definitely. Just because it could be possibly misused doesn't make it unethical. Heck, practically anything could be misused in one way or another.
It can reveal new, better ways to heal diseases. Also, especially in the case of organ defects, a replacement organ could just be cloned which is definitely 100% compatible, without having the long time searching for a possible donator, which then isn't even all to compatible.

All this "Cloning is unethical" crap is most times coming from some braindead religious fanatics, anyway.

Matth · Apr 11, 2003, 07:44 AM

Necessary, but taking it to the point of a viable clone would NOT be ethical, even if it proves to be possible.
In the paper today, the techniques used for Dolly the sheep (which died prematurely, highlighting concerns that clones would have the effective age of the cells they were cloned from) - were described as being ineffective for primate species.

merry · Apr 11, 2003, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by Asuka
All this "Cloning is unethical" crap is most times coming from some braindead religious fanatics, anyway.

Gee, thanks, mate. (I'm the one who voted "unethical").

I don't know, maybe the choice of terms isn't the most fortunate, "ethical"... "unethical"...

Google on "cloning", from the first link find the faq, here's a quote:

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Could vital organs be grown using cloning without the rest of a body?

Possibly - but nobody is even close to knowing how. Contrary to scientists' expectations, the birth of Dolly shows it is possible to reprogram the cell of an adult (or at least its genome) so that it begins development all over again. This newly discovered flexibility means it may one day be possible to reprogram skin or blood cells so that they grow into "spare part" tissues and organs, rather than whole organisms. But the technical obstacles will be huge.[/b]

(here)

Until that "one day", you have to grow a little "brother"... imagine the rest.

toddsmack2k · Apr 11, 2003, 09:07 AM

I will explain, I can definitley see the benfits of such research and the good that could come from it. Imagine the being able to actually cure some of today's deadliest diseases or being able to give some one an exact copy of their liver, heart or pancreas in order to save their lives. The problem i have with it is that how would you control or police the boundaries as to when it has gone far enough. We all have seen what the power of money is in today's world. Imagine the corruption when dealing with actual life and human beings. What do you do with those clones or tests that go astray? To me that is when ethics come into play and where i have problems fully backing this issue. While on the other hand my 7 year old daughter has diabetes type 1. When i look at what she goes thru every day it makes me think of what good it could do her. So i guess i am undecided as of now.

Dom · Apr 12, 2003, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by toddsmack2k
I will explain, I can definitley see the benfits of such research and the good that could come from it. Imagine the being able to actually cure some of today's deadliest diseases or being able to give some one an exact copy of their liver, heart or pancreas in order to save their lives. The problem i have with it is that how would you control or police the boundaries as to when it has gone far enough. We all have seen what the power of money is in today's world. Imagine the corruption when dealing with actual life and human beings. What do you do with those clones or tests that go astray? To me that is when ethics come into play and where i have problems fully backing this issue. While on the other hand my 7 year old daughter has diabetes type 1. When i look at what she goes thru every day it makes me think of what good it could do her. So i guess i am undecided as of now.

Sorry to hear that about your daughter.

JavaFox · Apr 12, 2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Asuka
All this "Cloning is unethical" crap is most times coming from some braindead religious fanatics, anyway.

This characterization is grossly unfair, I think. Firstly, I do recognize that type of people you are talking about. Merely saying "cloning is wrong because it allows humans to do what only God should do" is, I agree, a relatively crappy argument.

But being a bit apprehensive about the current realities of human cloning isn't fanatical. Cloning, as it stands, is in a stage of infancy. We are nowhere near being able to successfully clone a human. Merely look at what happens when we try to clone animals. Most of them die. The ones that don't are almost always crippled by genetic disease, birth defects, or any number of horrible ailments. Search on Google and I'm sure you'll find pictures.

Now, apply that to humanity and tell me that's not unethical. Human babies being born without body parts, with disease, and with typically swift mortality. That isn't something that many of us feel can be taken lightly. And cloning will lead to those things.

Yes, I do also realize that cloning and stem cell research are not the same thing, but I'm not really prepared to tackle the stem-cell question yet.

~~bluelight~~ · Apr 12, 2003, 02:03 PM

I believe that both these things are here to stay so the issue is more a question of seeing to it that they are handled with reasonable caution.

One thing with both these types of science is the possibility that has arisen for companys to have "patents" on human ..or other type of material.

That is something i find disturbing.

Bluelight

Falstaff · Apr 12, 2003, 02:15 PM

It is the mark of the beast....

drwright · May 1, 2003, 10:38 AM

I vote unethical and I am not a brain-dead religious fanatic... Imagine this if you will. A farm of cloned individuals all residing in tanks suspended in fluid to keep everything fresh for the harvesting. Do these "crops" have feelings? Can we just take what we need and discard the rest? What if something goes awry? Do we instantly "kill" the clone because we don't like they way that it looks? Is this akin to murder or okay in the name of science? hmmmm....

Area_51 · May 1, 2003, 05:07 PM

I hope that it's not going to be used on bad ways. If helps to men than it's good but not like creating monsters. Maybe mankind will get something from that, will be so uses that will not be sorry of why we did it.

Trunks0 · May 3, 2003, 09:11 AM

I have an undecied view. Yes it would and could save lives.....but at what cost?

imo no matter what way you split it somthing bad by today standards will probably happen to advance forward and get the answers to those questions. Notice I said by "todays" standards. Views and beliefs change with time and so will the views on how to proceed on this topic. Be it for the worst or for the better is in the hands of the beliefs of the people of that day......today is imo not that day

Apr 11, 2003, 04:31 AM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,942 Rep Power: 0	Human cloning & stem cell reasearch... What is your stance on this topic? Is it ethical?

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toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,174 Rep Power: 0	I voted other I will explain, I can definitley see the benfits of such research and the good that could come from it. Imagine the being able to actually cure some of today's deadliest diseases or being able to give some one an exact copy of their liver, heart or pancreas in order to save their lives. The problem i have with it is that how would you control or police the boundaries as to when it has gone far enough. We all have seen what the power of money is in today's world. Imagine the corruption when dealing with actual life and human beings. What do you do with those clones or tests that go astray? To me that is when ethics come into play and where i have problems fully backing this issue. While on the other hand my 7 year old daughter has diabetes type 1. When i look at what she goes thru every day it makes me think of what good it could do her. So i guess i am undecided as of now. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

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Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 18,143 Rep Power: 131	Beware It is the mark of the beast.... __________________ The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the scythe.

May 1, 2003, 05:07 PM	#11
Area_51 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Slovenia, Koper Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	I hope that it's not going to be used on bad ways. If helps to men than it's good but not like creating monsters. Maybe mankind will get something from that, will be so uses that will not be sorry of why we did it. __________________ ATI, Is the One

May 3, 2003, 09:11 AM	#12
Trunks0 Keeping an open mind Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver,B.C.,Canada Posts: 528 Rep Power: 0	I have an undecied view. Yes it would and could save lives.....but at what cost? imo no matter what way you split it somthing bad by today standards will probably happen to advance forward and get the answers to those questions. Notice I said by "todays" standards. Views and beliefs change with time and so will the views on how to proceed on this topic. Be it for the worst or for the better is in the hands of the beliefs of the people of that day......today is imo not that day __________________ -=SystemSpecs=- Last edited by Trunks0; May 3, 2003 at 09:17 AM.

Apr 11, 2003, 07:25 AM	#2
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Ethical, definitely. Just because it could be possibly misused doesn't make it unethical. Heck, practically anything could be misused in one way or another. It can reveal new, better ways to heal diseases. Also, especially in the case of organ defects, a replacement organ could just be cloned which is definitely 100% compatible, without having the long time searching for a possible donator, which then isn't even all to compatible. All this "Cloning is unethical" crap is most times coming from some braindead religious fanatics, anyway.

Apr 11, 2003, 07:44 AM	#3
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Necessary, but taking it to the point of a viable clone would NOT be ethical, even if it proves to be possible. In the paper today, the techniques used for Dolly the sheep (which died prematurely, highlighting concerns that clones would have the effective age of the cells they were cloned from) - were described as being ineffective for primate species.

Apr 12, 2003, 02:03 PM	#8
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	I believe that both these things are here to stay so the issue is more a question of seeing to it that they are handled with reasonable caution. One thing with both these types of science is the possibility that has arisen for companys to have "patents" on human ..or other type of material. That is something i find disturbing. Bluelight

May 1, 2003, 10:38 AM	#10
drwright DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	I vote unethical and I am not a brain-dead religious fanatic... Imagine this if you will. A farm of cloned individuals all residing in tanks suspended in fluid to keep everything fresh for the harvesting. Do these "crops" have feelings? Can we just take what we need and discard the rest? What if something goes awry? Do we instantly "kill" the clone because we don't like they way that it looks? Is this akin to murder or okay in the name of science? hmmmm....