Heroic act by coalition soldiers!!!

~~SH4President~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 05:06 PM

Heroic act by coalition-troops when a car drove up too a roadblock near Najaf , Iraq.
The soldiers told the driver too stop but the car keept driving.
The soldiers now opened fire and halted the car.
When the car was inspected the coalition found 13 passangers, all women and children.
7 was killed.
Good going by the heroic coalition soldiers.
They haveto make USA and England proud!!!

Falstaff · Mar 31, 2003, 07:55 PM

The driver, an IRAQ male, refused to stop, after two warnings verbal and from weapons, he continued even after the tires and engine were damaged, then headed straight for a patrol, within the rules of engagement, these soldiers acted according to their orders. this was inevitable, the only logical conclusion is that this driver martyred his passengers to stir up further resentment against coalition forces. If I was there, and I was ordered to shoot, I would definitely follow my orders, then attend to the wounded. You might try putting yourself in the place of the driver or the soldiers following orders...Your sarcasm is misplaced in my opinion, I am personally more concerned about the civilians that Hussein intends to martyr in the future and ways to prevent it, because I forsee this happening alot the closer we get to Bagdad

~~SH4President~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
The driver, an IRAQ male, refused to stop, after two warnings verbal and from weapons, he continued even after the tires and engine were damaged, then headed straight for a patrol, within the rules of engagement, these soldiers acted according to their orders. this was inevitable, the only logical conclusion is that this driver martyred his passengers to stir up further resentment against coalition forces. If I was there, and I was ordered to shoot, I would definitely follow my orders, then attend to the wounded. You might try putting yourself in the place of the driver or the soldiers following orders...Your sarcasm is misplaced in my opinion, I am personally more concerned about the civilians that Hussein intends to martyr in the future and ways to prevent it, because I forsee this happening alot the closer we get to Bagdad

You must bee real proud too bee american today.
Yous boys doing so well in Iraq. Following the rules of engagement and everything.

The only thing thats misplaced myfriend, is the coalition-troops. They are somewhere they shouldnt bee.

GOG · Mar 31, 2003, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
The driver, an IRAQ male, refused to stop, after two warnings verbal and from weapons, he continued even after the tires and engine were damaged, then headed straight for a patrol, within the rules of engagement, these soldiers acted according to their orders. this was inevitable, the only logical conclusion is that this driver martyred his passengers to stir up further resentment against coalition forces. If I was there, and I was ordered to shoot, I would definitely follow my orders, then attend to the wounded. You might try putting yourself in the place of the driver or the soldiers following orders...Your sarcasm is misplaced in my opinion, I am personally more concerned about the civilians that Hussein intends to martyr in the future and ways to prevent it, because I forsee this happening alot the closer we get to Bagdad

Yes, the civilians refused to stop when soldiers of a foreign army that donesn't belong there told them to do so. Has it not occured to you that they were afraid? Your "soldiers" are responsible for 1/5 of the Brittish casualties, is that also in line of your "rules of engagement"? Not only have you invaded a country wrongfully, you have done it with a bunch of triggerhappy cowboys.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 31, 2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by SH4President
You must bee real proud too bee american today.
Yous boys doing so well in Iraq. Following the rules of engagement and everything.

The only thing thats misplaced myfriend, is the coalition-troops. They are somewhere they should bee.

you prioties are messeds up.... Do you no rember the card bombing killing slodgiers? They are somewhere they should be it just your most contires are afaid to act or actually want saddam to remain in power ... like france, germany, russia, china, seria, saudi areabeans.... they just love to export even now arms to Iraq, banned arms, mortars, chinese ship to ship misles, FROGS (short range tatical misles used to usealy carray a nuclar warhead they are anything but accurate thair ment to deliver WMD), russian tanks, night vision, Scuds , defence technolagy, ........ the rumors also are flying .... What good are words if the scruty council members are to chicken to back them up... Gee wiz the french are mad becouse they just got them programed to be good buyers of french goods....

~~SH4President~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
you prioties are messeds up.... Do you no rember the card bombing killing slodgiers? They are somewhere they should be it just your most contires are afaid to act or actually want saddam to remain in power ... like france, germany, russia, china, seria, saudi areabeans.... they just love to export even now arms to Iraq, banned arms, mortars, chinese ship to ship misles, FROGS (short range tatical misles used to usealy carray a nuclar warhead they are anything but accurate thair ment to deliver WMD), russian tanks, night vision, Scuds , defence technolagy, ........ the rumors also are flying .... What good are words if the scruty council members are to chicken to back them up... Gee wiz the french are mad becouse they just got them programed to be good buyers of french goods....

Looks like the keys on your keyboard are misplaced too.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 31, 2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by GOG
Yes, the civilians refused to stop when soldiers of a foreign army that donesn't belong there told them to do so. Has it not occured to you that they were afraid? Your "soldiers" are responsible for 1/5 of the Brittish casualties, is that also in line of your "rules of engagement"? Not only have you invaded a country wrongfully, you have done it with a bunch of triggerhappy cowboys.

the civilians refused to stop when soldiers of a foreign army that does belong there told them to do so or they would be force to defend themselfs... that arm is there becouse the securty coincil members wold like to talk for a few hunded years .... insted of acting ... any governing body thats fails to even attect to iforce it own law becomes irrelavant.....

yea dont memtion the one wre there was a van chaseing a car they both stoped thwe vans occupents got out and started killing the civillians... that van was full of mortar shells ..... very easy could of been another suicide bombing ...

only have you invaded a country wrongfully? lets see even the iraqy people want this don't they matter? aparently you don't care at all for thier lives. "you have done it with a bunch of triggerhappy cowboys" - this from a netral country
they are far from cowboys .... you apreatly have no idea about the US army. try readig some news that don't sart with tthe antiwar antiamercan gazzete and mabye you eyes will see more clearly. I once wanted to travel the would now that i see peoples true colors i don't plan every leaving our shores now.....or ever

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 31, 2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by SH4President
Looks like the keys on your keyboard are misplaced too.

typing in the dark and I also can try with eather hand up to 40+wpm
but I mess up alot..... if i am no carefull

Talicni_Tom · Mar 31, 2003, 11:16 PM

truly heroic indeed...

its amazing there`s always people who justify every war crime

Frodo301 · Mar 31, 2003, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Talicni_Tom
truly heroic indeed...

its amazing there`s always people who justify every war crime

And what about war crimes that Iraq commits?? I guess it does not matter as we are the "aggressors" in this conflict. Fact is whoever was driving that vehicle *failed* to stop after *repeated* attempts to stop them without inflicting harm. And Jeff is right by the rules of engagement those soldiers were within their rights to open fire to protect themselves from the *potential harm*. What kind of warning do *you* suggest that the US take to vehicles that refuse to stop?

Falstaff · Mar 31, 2003, 11:58 PM

Saddam Hussein wants international outrage at this incident, this all a part of a plan, he will make probing manuevers all over the place, every other white van may have weapons in it or explosives, as much as I hate to say this, because I wil recieve more grief, but the reality is still the same, this war will go on, poeple will get killed, Saddam will continue to manipulate the situation, The IRAQI's need to adjust the clock to their own advantage, it just isn't going to happen I am afraid. More innocent lives will be sacrificed so cowards can martyr their people to obtain more time to reinforce their already weakening position..Some of the sarcasm about the war is now moot, the real issue is why Saddam or his deputies and military insist on sacrificing those around him..but then, before we were ever there, Hussein sacrificed his people, over and over again, He must go..Now his people must endure, be brave and suffer and die between coalition forces and his corrupt regime...To whom it may concern, you want to debate war crimes, do your homework first...I see an incredible ignorance or denial of what Hussein has done since 1979....The coalition soldiers that fired the shots that killed those civilians will forever have to live with the thought of having done so, but they followed orders. Unless you want to insult americans, then please find another forum to vent your frustrations. I am proud of our military, they do an incredible job,

Talicni_Tom · Apr 1, 2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
The coalition soldiers that fired the shots that killed those civilians will forever have to live with the thought of having done so, but they followed orders. Unless you want to insult americans, then please find another forum to vent your frustrations. I am proud of our military, they do an incredible job,

if you didnt know there is an international court for war crimes in Hague for officers and soldiers who kill civilians,but i guess those brave americans will get medals for that

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 1, 2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Frodo301
And what about war crimes that Iraq commits?? I guess it does not matter as we are the "aggressors" in this conflict. Fact is whoever was driving that vehicle *failed* to stop after *repeated* attempts to stop them without inflicting harm. And Jeff is right by the rules of engagement those soldiers were within their rights to open fire to protect themselves from the *potential harm*. What kind of warning do *you* suggest that the US take to vehicles that refuse to stop?

more than reapaeated .... verbal wearning over the loud speaker .... antoher warning over the loud speaker.... warining shots fired in the air ... shots fired into the engine ... the the driver still drove on speeding tward the check point. (kind or like a madman with a van full of explosvies would do).. it force them to have to fire upon the van or risk being killed themselfs..... they wen't beond the call of duty and the rules of engagement to give them more of a chance to heed the warning and stop.

Falstaff · Apr 1, 2003, 12:33 AM

Is this the American bashing thread...clearly, these IRAQI's were warned, obviously they forced the patrol to shoot, inevitably the denial of Husseins culpability is the matrix that remarks are built upon....Talicni_Tom your bias is noted,

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 1, 2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Talicni_Tom
if you didnt know there is an international court for war crimes in Hague for officers and soldiers who kill civilians,but i guess those brave americans will get medals for that

headed by libia (there well known for thier violations of human rights and supporting terroism, is a terroist state, recenly condeming terrorism only in hope not to be attacked by the US etc..... )

yea medals .......becouse most of those "civillians" will be iraqy soldgers in "civillian" clothes.................are refurd to a terroists... Iraq breaks the geneva convention and kills civllians commits war crimes evey day ! but it sems you guys are chearing saddam on.... you take every word their country says as gospel and absolute truth.... man there is something very very wrong with that.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 1, 2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Talicni_Tom
truly heroic indeed...

its amazing there`s always people who justify every war crime

really? how is it you tend to justify/support iraq killing fireing apon thier own citizens to hinder our trops .... killing thouse who help and support... many waitning t talk as if they talk and one of saddams lackys are aound they will be killed as well as thier family ................

Falstaff · Apr 1, 2003, 12:54 AM

Just the first statement in this thread by the thread starter, begs for a response, but I haven't read one credible statement against the U.S. yet. Not only do I see a bias, but also no compassion for the IRAQI people, or the suffering, just incessant whining, ooopss, I am expressing bias as well, ha ha..I have been to Kuwait and Iraq 12 years ago, so I see things a different way I suppose, it may color my judgement, you know that whole "actually been there thing"...coaltion troops are brave young men and women and deserve the benefit of the doubt in my opinion...I am not going to try to convince anyone else, but I could put myself in their shoes..

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 1, 2003, 01:07 AM

~~Optimummind~~ · Apr 1, 2003, 01:14 AM

SH4, just because you're a camel, don't defend bad camels.

Falstaff · Apr 1, 2003, 01:15 AM

LOL.......he he he he....LMAO, ha haha ha ha ha.......crap spilled my drink.....ha ha ha ha ha....gonna use them man....

~~bluelight~~ · Apr 1, 2003, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by Optimummind
SH4, just because you're a camel, don't defend bad camels.

Well you continue proving yourself.

You obviously didnt get the message...

Your post is bullshit.....

Bluelight

~~bluelight~~ · Apr 1, 2003, 01:24 AM

And so are the images posted by Neon Cowboy,

Bollocks.

Bluelight