Heroic act by coalition soldiers!!!

Falstaff

isn't policeing anyone, look at the original charter and the security council resolutions, over 250 wars or conflicts have been fought since it's inception...they are worthless...

bluelight

No that is right...UN does not do fully the job it was set up to do.


This is mainly the fault of the superpowers and latley especially Usa that blocks resolutions and refuses to sign international treaties.


Bluelight

GOG

Yes, especially when USA keeps throwing in their vetos.

JavaFox

That's a drive-by accusation, GOG. Why don't you elaborate?

Falstaff

your familiar with Alastair Cookes postcards from America, he did a marvelous piece on the U.N. I am sure you can find it on BBC 4's website somewhere...

BWX

If all the other countries in the world are to weak and unethical to do it- It falls on our shoulders to do- We are the most powerful country in the world by far, so who else do you think is going to do it? Sweden? Russia? China? Germany? NO- France supports Saddam, so does Russia and China, If they had their way, Saddam would still be in power- as long as it was good for their bank accounts. Obviously it IS the US's job, everyone else is to busy trying to make money off of brutal regimes such as Saddam's.

The UN has proven itself impotent and unneeded for REAL issues- So why don't you tell me who should take care of all the murding , wmd producing, terrorist supporting regimes? Huh? No answers gog? Good, then until you come up w/ one, quit telling me it isn't our job.

Reuter

Well somebody has to tell you then

The other countrys did not see a danger in Saddam anymore, so why would they bother.
I do not think the US is actually waging a war because of the regime in Iraq.
There is the oil, the fat pay cheques by some companys for some of your leaders, and the control over the Middle East involved here.
Why did they leave Saddam in power after the first Gulf War?
Because they needed him to sell weapons to his neighbours and justify the permanent bases they had build.
The UN is not some organisation you can push aside.
It is the upper court, regulating the behavior of nations.

bluelight

Qoute

"To weak" "Unethical" "It falls on our shoulders" " "We are the most powerful country in the world so far" "France supports Saddam so does Rusia and China" "Obviously it IS the US's job" "The UN has proven itself impotent and unneeded for REAL issues"





Ha ha ha....yeah right.... He even says it...We are the most powerful country in the world.......

Yeah right ..higly amusing....

Got any more of those?






Bluelight

Falstaff

We are the moral authority of the world............right.

Falstaff

rescued by the Special Forces....cant miss that.

BWX

Ok, who is then? I'm not trying to be all "we are the best"- It is just a fact-- who do you think is then? Always disagree, but no answers- typical ignorance of people who listen to liberal left media.

BWX

Well, we don't rule be fear and torture? Or do you think you would rather live under Saddam's rule?

BWX

Yeah, we spend 100+ billion dollars to make next to nothing on Saddam's oil. WTF?? What- you think we need to attack countries and waste billions to get a drop of oil? Come back to planet earth. YOU are being brainwashed. We weren't there to tople the regime in gulf war- we were there to get the INVADING SADDAM out of a smaller weaker country HE WAS TRYING TO TAKE OVER-- DUH-- Oh, he isn't a threat though- you answer your own questions and tell me I don't know what I am talking about. WTF.

"The UN is not some organisation you can push aside.
It is the upper court, regulating the behavior of nations"

Yeah, OK- did you watch the last 3 months of news? What happend? Did UN get it's pittiful way? Did we keep making impotent resolution after impotent resolution like all the Saddam supporters and the UN wanted?? NO? good- answered your own question again for me-thanks.

Falstaff

Preaching to the choir, But we catch hell all the time for trying bring our form of democracy to the rest of the world...

BWX

Yeah, but some of those posts deserved a god rant.

Falstaff

Ironically we accomplish more in these forums than the U.N. ever will. I see on television that Hussein is martryring his people again. forcing women and children into combatents by making them passengers in rolling vehicles. White vans and trucks filled with screaming innocents, headlong into small caliber weapons fire. And yet at the Bagdad international airport,
Navy corpsmen and marines gather the shattered remnants of opposition, assess their wounds and attempt to sustain the lives of the wounded. We observe the honor of warriors and protect the weak when we can. We avoid civilian targets purposely and our men and women die honorable deaths following their orders in spite of the overwhelming circumstances. We execute our battle plans and succeed in spite of the cowardly tactics of Saddam's military forces. And now as the noose tightens, we will still pursue the final objective, and we will try to avoid killing the innocents and the weak. Our men and women are expected to make the supreme sacrifice to maintain the high level of professionalism and the honor of the United States armed forces. Those men and women that have died attempting to render aid to Husseins people, these deaths were not in vain.
You are not ranting, and you are not a whining hypocritical toadie either, like some news agencies that I have seen on television and on the web.
I wonder how the detracters and complainers will feel after this is over and IRAQ is rebuilt, perhaps their opinions will not change, but opinions are like any body oriface..everyone has one, ha ha

bluelight

Your statement is a clear "We will rule the world and we dont give shit about anyone elses opinion" one.

I dont want or need you or you nation handling the security issues of this world.

I want that handled internationally.

So does the majority of this palents population.

Finally....I am not liberal....Liberal is Right wing.....Liberal politics is something invented in 1700 and it is most certainly not left wing politics but since you do not have real left wing politics in your country you wouldnt know anything about it..You have right wing politics..and even more to the right politics to choose from.


Bluelight

Falstaff

Those that profit from world wide conflicts and remain above the law both domestic or international, those with private armies and domains ruled silently and efficiently because they inspire terror, I am cynical perhaps, but one of the biggest effects that coaliion forces have had on the middle east is the disruption of Poppy production...

BWX

1) Not at all what I said- I said we (because of our own freedom)- happen to be the most powerful single country in the world- don't forget, we are not in this alone. We have a COALITION-
2)You obviously do- nothing would have been done without us. What other countries will take responsibility?
3)That didn't work, international intersmashonal (UN)- is too weak and has no leaders, no decision making abilities- they were proven irrelevant for anything more than humanitarian issues- they could not handle a problem like Saddam. Proven fact.
4) whatever you want to call it- you would rather defend Saddam (who is most likely dead) than good decent people putting their own lived on the line for the good of someone they don't even know.
Whatever you call that-- I call it left.
left of me anyway- are you right of these views? They are just terms to describe political views- no need to argue meaning of political terms?

GOG

Can you please stop with this honor shit? There is no honor in killing other human beings.

Falstaff

Of Honor? Can you understand the level of professionalism it takes to do what you have to do execute the plan and achieve the objective? And while doing so, protect the weak, even when an IRAQ drives a bus full of helpless passengers into a road block, and you have to stop that vehicle, the honorable thing to do is elminate the immediate threat, and protect the those that do not carry weapons or who are non combatents..Take it one step further, you are the leader of a regime that is responsible for terror, war, and mayhem upon your own people and your nieghbors, and the noose is slowly closing on that regime. foriegn invaders intend to overthrow your government, you have few options to save yourself, and perhaps your death would bring about a cessation of hostilities, even if you cannot bring yourself to end your own life, or run, the last honorable thing to do, to avoid anymore casualties and to ensure that those that remain among you that are loyal won't sacrifice themselves in vain, you abdicate, you relinquish control, you allow those that follow you to live..That is an example of honor, and you can't accept that or if you have a different definition or you could actually give a tinker's cuss about what is going on, it just might within your capaciity as a human being to feel some empathy for those who are trapped between those that rain fire and destruction on your countries military and infrastructure .
Honor has nothing to do with excrement, and it is not a something that only certain people have, it is within everyone with any sense of right and wrong. You can complain to ad nauseum about the situation in IRAQ, you may cry for every lost soul whether they are innocents or combatents on both sides, but honor at home or on the battlefield is what seperates us from the wicked and cowardly regime that ruled IRAQ.
Men without honor kill their own people for the sake of small gains, and for unattainable goals.
Men without honor destroy the weak and the helpless with gas and bombs while they sleep within the boundries of their own country.
Men without honor torture, maim and poison their own people within the boundries of their own cities to maintain a level of terror and suspicion and control..
Men without honor tie women and children to targets to preserve an advantage in combat.
Men without honor will not admit when their own country has suffered enough..
Men without honor will kill anyone around them including their own family to survive..
Men without honor will horde food and medicine while their country goes hungry..
Men without honor will destroy the very world that they have to live in.

Falstaff