Maddogg6

Sure and I already acknowledged this - but the side effect of loosing our ability to protect our selves is too great of a loss. 'Spur of the moment' deaths caused by blunt force trauma (and other ways) would spike in its place.

Maddogg6

The majority - I have little doubts are 'thug vs thug' situations - and imo is not as big of a loss to this nation as the loss of ability to protect our selves.
edit:
ex: I have never had a gun pulled on me, nor do I associate with people that have. Why? - I avoid potentially dangerous situations from the get go.
Granted plenty of people who, I refer to as 'innocent' have, and perhaps died - but those numbers are surely less than if we were to have been occupied - or unable to protect ourselves our neighbors.

Calinerti

In 1998 there were over 30,000 deaths from guns in the United States. I dont think there would be a "spike" which would rival that. I dont think for example, that 30,000 poeple would be beaten to death with baseball bats, or stabbed 36 times with a letter opener. I'm sure the "need" (?) to kill would remain, but a gun makes it too easy. An instant can cause death.

As far as the ability to protect yourself goes, in countries which dont allow their citizens to carry guns they aren't all walking around with baseball bats or machetes. They dont have to worry about a guy coming up and shooting them for their shoes. When I'm walking around Dublin or Belfast, if a guy wants my shoes he has to take them from me without a firearm.

Aleksandr Soljinetsin said "Freedom is the right to self censorship". Maybe the US isnt ready yet....................

Sandok

I prefer the goverment have some balls and refuse some basic rights for the benifits of all... No guns in CH works fine and nobody is complaing about lack of security.

We also aren't allowed by law to say the Halocuast didn't happen (if we do, jail time) but in the US, you can... Now that's a freedom I don't particularly miss either you see?

Guns never save people, they just kill...

Maddogg6

Like I said already - maybe the world would be a better place with out guns - but they *do* exist - you can't un-ring a bell. (you are reading my posts no?)

And seeing as they are out there - lets keep things as fair as possible - I want mine too - any ban will only take *mine* away - *not a thugs* (and possibly end up in the hands of thugs instead, as in; stolen after collection - it could happen)
As I have doubts thugs will go; 'ok heres my gun - I removed the serial #'s and my name is....... I live at.....' . Lets be real here - do ya think that would happen?

Is this really that difficult concept to grasp?

Maddogg6

I already addressed these points in my previous posts - so Im not gonna bore everyone with repeating it - as I cant come up with any new ways to make them clearer.

edit: all I can say - Im glad your not a voter in the US.

Asmoday

I think this thread fits better here in the political forum. Continue the discussion but keep it civil guys.

BlueMak

Sure, like Japan has no army either lol.

There is a difference between a trade route (Switzerland is important in that but it is not the reason why it is a rich country) and an easy "road" to attack another country.

__________________

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,
You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis

Calinerti

Actually I am. And if my placing a tick in a box could potentially save over 80 lives a day, I'd do it for sure.

Maddogg6

really? Whats interesting is ther are NO English results from google on that name from this you posted:
Just where did you get that quote from? Translated to English.

BlueMak

Self censorship is for those that are afraid of free exchange of ideas.

__________________

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,
You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis

Maddogg6

yeah - sounds more like what I was taught about a communist mind set. I still doubt hes a US citizen.

Calinerti

By definition of democracy, each citizen is responsible for the shortcomings of his nation. If a social disease runs rampant through said society then the concept of self-censorship is inextricably tied to the problem.


and by the way Aleksandr Soljinetsin was russian.

Maddogg6

Hmm - I figured as much.... and you learned of this guy where? I seriously doubt in a US school.

Now, what you describe is 'self control' - 'self censorship' and 'self control' are 2 totally different concepts and should not be confused. edit (and would not be by most US citizens btw) /edit

And.. according to this:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

The US (#24) - with all these guns 'rampant' through out the US
But Russia (#5) is WAY higher on that list - so - why should I pay any attention to him? - nevermind - rhetorical question.
edit: the linked chart is 'murders' and not just with guns.

and this guy is criticising US - who doesnt get what now?

seems as though your idea of 'self censorship' dont work very well - and well, I already knew that anyway....

Sandok

Dude, if in the US it wasn't so easy to acquire guns in the first place, you wouldn't have that problem now would you?

Study Swiss history, this country became rich thanks to trade route taxes... Nowadays that's lessened but the main tunnels linking france, austria, italy all go through Switzerland nontheless.

And do you know about the current Swiss military? Have you come here personally? I'm part of it and I think that puts me in a good position to know how well it performs... It's a militia mate, all adults in this country are obliged to do (well the men) so we aren't technically trained and don't practice cept 3 weeks a year... It's not a real army.