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What do you guys think?

Ever since the debate really sparked, i've been a critic of the man made global warming idea..

Today I bumped into a danish blog with a video from Channel 4 (british).
It's a really interesting program.. so watch it and spill your thoughts
I'm guessing a lot of you have already seen Al Gore's electricity bi.. i mean Inconvenient truth..

Just click play.. (the video is also on "normal" google-video, but it's scaled up so quality is really bad).
http://analysator.blogspot.com/2007/...g-swindle.html
(first 40min is where the relevant stuff is.. it's all good though)

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Sandok

As much as I love discussing this subject, it really belong in the politcal debate forum, given that debates usually go on in there

Moved.

cozumel

I saw that documentary and very interesting it was too.

The problem I have is that opposing scientific theories are just that - hypothesis. I therefore have an open mind but believe that we cannot take the chance. Either way, I do believe that emmissions are having a negative effect on the world in which we live. I do not understand the causes of the hole in the ozone. If we are pumping incerasing amounts of CO2s into the atmosphere we cannot be helping the situation.

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The hole in the ozone layer is something totally different...

Anyways.
"The problem I have is that opposing scientific theories are just that - hypothesis".
They're all theories.. agreed. But this documetary presents theory based on data collected and events from the past, so not an hypothesis - there is no "if"-case. Globalwarming theory is trying to predict future by using "if"-case hypothesis base on 30 years data..

Does all the "if" make sense?

Even a Greenpeace co-founder has had it (and left GP), due to politics taking over.. there has got to be something wrong right?

You'd rather spend billions of dollars than take a chance? Money dont just come from nothing.. so is it meaningful to spend them or is it waste?
Remember all the asteroid hype around year 2000? Deep impact, armageddon.. I'm kinda glad the world didnt waste money on a misile-shield... <- it sounds stupid right, but imagine year 2000, it wouldnt have been all that dumb back then.

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OmegaRED

I still haven't watched the Documentary by Al Gore even though I've had it for a while. All this politicizing about it kinda turned me off the issue completely. Obviously, that's the goal of the corporate interests that contribute to global warming so I feel even worse having played into their hands and would rather ignore the issue completely.

If NASA scientists have said it's real that's good enough for me.

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ronnn

Global warming is real. Discredit Al Gore if you like, doesn't change the reality of situation. Be ready for more drought and disasterous storms.

Sandok

First of all, Al Gore's electricity bill HAS to be big people, he's rich, he's cruising the world to give his speach and he's a politician. Honestly, saying that just because he did the Inconveniant Truth and that me must set the bar is sorta lame.

As for the whole Global Warming aspect, you have reputed scientists one side saying it exists and then, you got great scientists on the other side saying it's irrelevant. I'm a confused soul now I dunno what to believe anymore (though leaning for irrelevant after this documentary )

If ever Ronn, this documentary (if you watched it) doesn't say the Earth isn't warming up, it is... It just says we aren't the cause and in a way, it's quite correct. I had heard years and years ago that Volcano's for example spew out 4 times more CO2 than humans but you just don't hear that anymore in the media, do you?

ronnn

I find it hard to believe that on a tech site, the science of global warming is doubted. Just some sort of left wing conspiracy I guess. The north of canada is much different now. Glaciers are melting away and the North Pole is melting. Half the forests in British Columbia are dead from pine beetle. Winters have been too warm for many years and they have bred to the point of killing their hosts. Europe has little ski season.

Doubting this is silly. The cost of being wrong is a cleaner environment. The cost of doing nothing could lead to disaster.

Sandok

Are you reading my posts?

Firstly, doubting is a good thing, because the moment you take anything for fact means monopolization is in the house, which is never good. And as I said, I agree, the world is warming up and the video agrees also, they do agree, the world is heating up.

They are discussing the CAUSE, which they say, is more natural than the media makes us think. The ski season has been horrible here so trust me, I don't doubt a global warm up but they just don't agree on the CO2 aspect and more on the Solar aspect.

ronnn

A solar aspect that just happened at the same time and at the same rate as our use of fossil fuels? The greenhouse effect and the balance being upset by human activity is well documented. Going against accepted science is very risky, especially for peoples that live in areas that are prone to drought.

mkk

One can't seriously have this "IF" debate in the year of 2007. Scientifically it was pretty much settled in the 90's and even the Bush administration has had to submit to the plain data years ago.

Sandok

I'm just going to ask if you watched the vid because I'm not going to point out all these aspects that were covered in it... Did ya watch it?

dsdsdk

"Doubting this is silly."

In the early 70s the world feared an iceage coming, why, because of 40 years of it getting colder. Silly? Yes. 30 years later we fear the warmt, silly? No... wait what now?
Post war industial boom, starting 1945, tons and tons of more CO2 year by year, but colder temperature.. hmm

Edit. the more you travel, the less your house electricitybill will be.. Let's say Al Gore needs two of everything (turned on), computer, tv, washer, vacuumclear, lamp, stereo.. this would double his electricity bill, agreed? How come it is 10 times the average. I dont have anything againt Al, but preaching something and doing the opposite is plain wrong.

PS. Ronnn, watch the vid. You dont have to believe it, but maybe start regarding data with criticism....

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Dowaco

This movie says what I have been saying from the beginning.

"The sun drives climate. (Man made) CO2 is irrelevant"

It makes more sense that CO2 rises as a result of higher temperatures not the other way around.

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Sandok

He's a politician for christ's sake... And he bloody rich! Of course he's gonna have huge expenditures and consumption.

I think in his case it's more important to spread the word than lead by example. People shouldn't copy stupidly what one man does but learn what he has to say.