Global Warming Man Made?

DudeBoyz

If the Human population reduced their rate of reproduction, that would do a lot more to help this planet than just about anything.

We have too many people consuming too many resources generating too much waste with too little regard for the consequences.

Sandok

Okay, that just proves you ignore the facts... I can't believe I actually read that!!!

Everything except the real important stuff is the problem for you 300 million yanks make a 25% of world pollution and well, about a 1.2 BILLION indians can't even make 20%... 815 million europeans can't make more than 20% pollution either...

Ya, we should stop having kids, that's the problem! Not our wasteful idealogy in the richest of countries where obesity is a problem.

DudeBoyz

Man, you are one angry hater...

ronnn

Thank you for starting this thread. It is past time that the people of this world started to think and make real change. Rough times are ahead - even if immediate real change is made.

BlueMak

I may not agree with what and how Sandok says, but there is clear sound logic in his words.

ronnn

Nothing to do with hate. The biggest producers of greenhouse gases do not have the largest populations. Less population would be a very good thing (I think most would agree it is absolutly neccessary), but better technology is also needed and quickly. We can't afford to wait for people to become sterile.

The_Neon_Cowboy

No industry, no "cars-r-us", thing like GAS COSTs ALOT MORE, wich are magor factors,
so people drive less, when gas costs more.

By the way co2 aka Carbon dioxide, it flows in you body, my god you breathing it out
right now! oh no better stop breathing!!! More seriously you can't helpbut make this gas,
when burning or heating anything... breatheing what ever...

poulation control is the ONLY feasable soultion... all others only delay the enevatable

DudeBoyz

It's pretty damn pathetic when discussions like this have to continually devolved into personal attacks and assigning blame.

Since that is indeed the case here, there is no purpose in even trying to continue this.

SFOSOK

Perhaps the reason "Yanks" make more polution than Indians is because they don't live in an almost third world country with few automobiles.

If it has to be judged, it should be judged by the standards of nations, not their people.

SFOSOK

Also to take into consideration


Think about how close living arangements are to work places in America, Europe, China and so forth. Think about how many automobiles are being used and how many freeway/highway systems are in place. Think about how many factories are in place. Think about fuel and emission standards relative to automobile usage and average distance a person is required to travel by car to work/school.


Purhaps you should think more before you judge.

ronnn

Really isn't a situation for personal attacks. It is clear to everybody that the countries of United States and Canada have to clean up their acts. Nothing to do with the average Canadian being spoiled or something - just has to happen. The world could also use less people - that don't need to drive everywhere or have developed something that don't polute so much. There are still some that deny global warming, but that number is less - is time to debate solutions.

SFOSOK

I think you should look at how close things are in your country and how easy it is to get there without a car compared to this country. Many people would be out of a job if they had to ride a bike to work or walk as quite a few live many miles away and could not reach their jobs in time to be effective. "Cleaning up our act" is not as easy as you make it seem.

There is no quick fix for this problem and America is already leaning towards fuel efficient cars to wing us off of our dependancy on oil.

ReDGuiTaR

A global warming will surely lead right to the ice age again because the melting polar ice will cool down the ocean and then drop the current temperature all around the planet .

To think that we no need to worry about pollution is a different matter as we have to face all the side effects now on general humanity health . Asthma, throat and lung cancer are starting to show off on young and non-smoking peoples ... and the list of disease that can be directly attributed to human pollution is growing rapidly .

While i'm not affraid about the global warming situation i really think we should get into rethinking the way we lives if we want to do it healty !

my 2 cents .

ronnn

Actually distances in Canada are on the whole greater than in California (you are from there aren't you)? It may not be easy, but it does have to happen. Saying it is just too hard is really basically an Americanna wimp out. As has been pointed out, many others in this world - more effected than us by our excesses - say "cry me a river".

Pompey

If you wanna help fight global warming then dont fall for the food miles crap. Producing lamb in NZ and shipping it to the UK releases 75% less CO2 than producing lamb in the UK. NZ apples, dairy products, onions, other meat...pretty much everything releases less CO2. Our agricultural system is also less intensive and therefore more sustainable than European agriculture, and our farms dont receivce subsidies.
On top off all that our meat is not pumped full of growth hormones (our pork industry has a voluntary ban on them for example) and our meat and dairy is healthier than the poor quality crap that america and europe produce.

Well ive done my bit for the national economy, and now im going to bed.

and the same disclaimer i put on my other post applies.

Sandok

And what have I been saying? That we should all stop breathing and live like the amish?

I've just stated that a couple of countries with small poplulation make more pollution than larger areas of poplutation. Pollution control, as you say, should be enforced everywhere. But wait, the Kyoto Agreement... what about that?

Well then, why not compare Europe to America? Over double the popluation and not even close to double the pollution. In fact, WAY less. And if you think India is an "almost" third world country with FEW automobiles, you obviously haven't been there or even know anything about the country. The country is gigantic, one of the fastest growing economys in the world (8% a year) and over 200 million vehicales. I agree, that might not be as much as the US but that's far from being "a few automobiles".

SFOSOK

Well thank you for clarifying that point, the knowledge is appriciated and I will check it to make sure its valid. It would be much easier if you supported those numbers with proof also.

So I guess you ignored my whole point on how far people in America live from their jobs and how much time is spent and require to drive from work and back every day. Hell, If I lived within 2-3 miles away from my work I would walk. But I don't and I have to drive otherwise it would take too long to get there and would eventually affect my sleeping habits and get in the way of school. Speaking of school, it takes me quitw some time to get to school also but both work and school are needed.


Also: You are still comparing #of people to # of things that create polution. Perhaps it would be more effective to attack the items that are poluting and what nations are doing to eventually eliminate those machines instead of saying its all Americans fault. I think that would prove to be a much more effective arguement than the whole broad stereotype of Americans.

DudeBoyz

France relies on bunches of Nuclear Plants to provide power. That's not exactly something some folks feel good about. They generate a lot more nuke waste than most other countries do. Where do they put it all?

Sandok

I can always get the numbers if you want... Just takes too long to post otherwise but if you want specific details, I'll always get the sources

As for the car part, I thought somebody anwered that? Well, again, that's not the individuals fault but more your goverement... I mean, in Switzerland, many people don't ever need a car because the goverment made sure it wasn't needed. America and other countries could do the same, it just takes money and time. But money and time are two things many countries don't wanna spend

And for me, school takes a while too... But I made a choice... I mean, I could go by car, takes me 15-20 minutes to get to University... I can get up late and take my time. BUT instead, I get up at 6am, take the 6h40 bus and get to university in about 50 minutes with a bus and subway. It costs less so that's a bonus but I dunno, I don't see the "point" of taking a car to save me 30 minutes... But that's the stupid swiss mentality I got stuck in my head

Zelig

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_technologies

There's a list of their options, I don't know what the French actually do with their waste in particular.

SFOSOK

A bus is a good idea but I cannot afford to wake up early and there are no bus stops in my area that head to my school or work. I would love to wake up early and ride my bike but I am usually much to busy with school work throughout the entire day.

Its good though that you are distinguishing the people from the government though now. My problem is with the governements standard of things.

Sandok

Well, in a way, the population is slightly to blame because we do all live in a democracy don't we? Thus, we are the ones that elect OUR goverment.

In switzerland, my part of the country voted highest for the green party. While I might disagree with that, that's what we have done and of course, the enviroment benifits.

If you vote for sombody who would have signed kyoto, that would show that the popluation is trying to do something in the greater scheme of things. You do have it tough, I remeber life in teh US but you could do SOOOOO much more than what you personally do. Some things I saw in the US (ecologicaly speaking) scared me