Falstaff

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME
Apologists for illegal immigration like to paint it as a victimless crime. But in fact, illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children.
Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. We cannot provide high quality education, health care, and retirement security for our own people if we continue to bring in endless numbers of poor, unskilled immigrants.
Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees. Ý
Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland.

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Maddogg6

I think many 'appologists' are also like me...
We feel sorry for the people who feel their only way to survive is to come here illegally. But yes - they are draining our system just as the study indicates.

I would much rather see the mexican people - protest their countries mis-management - instead of waving a mexican flag demanding US citizenship/policy change.

Bottom line...
If you are here but NOT LEGALLY your an 'illegal'. AND If its a felony, your a felon. period. They should be treated as such. Yup even women and children as our laws dont differentiate age or sex. (take your family back - if you dont want them to be called, and treated like 'felons')

Falstaff

I was just in Omaha Nebraska and Cheyenne Wyoming, illegal aliens are draining the heathcare system there.

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Maddogg6

Link is broken btw...

Zelig

Crack down on people/businesses paying anybody less than minimum wage.

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Calinerti

Its a problem for sure, and its a result of a poorly performing system. These people should be afforded a way to become legal. I'm sure most of them would love to contribute to the economy and society.

Yousaif

They already do that. But this is about illegal immigration. The reason that some companies and people get away with paying less than minimum wage is that the people that they hire, being in the country illegally, most likely won't complain to any authorities about the situation. I mean, why complain about the conditions if doing so will get you deported anyway?

Illegal immigration drains the money available for schools and healthcare, among other government services, as it is more than likely that none of the illegals has paid a lick of taxes (not including sales tax in this as that is anavoidable) out of their payroll checks, nor do they have any kind of health insurance to pay their bills, so we all end up paying for that in our own health bills as the providers try to recover the costs of indigent care.

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Isaiah 1:23

>GSXR<mrbusa

Come on now...
You know that is not true. They come over here and treat our country like they treated there country. They are dirty filthy people. They come into a town and totally destroy it. Every mexican i have ever talked to that i worked with hates this country. The only reason they are here is to work our jobs and send the money back to mexico. They can work here for ten years and go back to mexico and retire and get drunk all day. That is why even if they are making good money and can afford to live in a house on there own they still pack fifteen people into a two bedroom apartment. Every red dime other than what they need to survive goes back to mexico. Look what they did to parts of Texas and all of California. Then you have the whole breeding issue. A mexican family will breed until they cant have anymore. And illegal or not Illegal once they are here and have children we cannot deny that child healthcare. I could go on and on but you get my point. The whole state of Oregon will be just like California in five years time at the rate it is going. Oregon has been my home for my whole life of 38 years and it makes me sick to my stomach how our government has let this shit happen to there own people. There should be turret mounted mini guns at every popular crossing with cameras on top. The cameras should be fed to the net and we should be able to pay-per-view for the chance to monitor them. I think you get my drift.............

Zelig

So hypothetically, let's say instead of deporting them, they get properly legalized, and paid minimum wage after they complain, what then?

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Yousaif

That's when they realize they should have kept their mouth sut anyway because now they are paying taxes on their income. Its kind of a double edged sword there.

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Isaiah 1:23

Zelig

But what difference is this from US citizens? US citizens could work for less than minimum wage and off the radar to avoid getting their income taxed...

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The_Neon_Cowboy

It getting really bad so bad I need to lerrn so basic spanish couse 95% of the mexicans,
speak little to no english and make up about 30% of our customers. I mean no english what so ever, useally no ID. Go tothe doctors office? tons of sighns in spanish, spansinh is takeing over by storm... why? couse all the dammed illegals flowing in

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>GSXR<mrbusa

The biggest difference from an American citizen compared to an illegal immigrant, not specific to a mexican, is the fact that 99 percent of the time the money stays here if its an American citizen working under the table. And if its an illegal immigrant working under the table then most likely the money is going somewhere else.

Pompey

has anyone else noticed that if we don’t accept immigrants from 3rdf world countries we get attacked, but if we let them in we get attacked for stealing all their doctors and other professionals?

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Tinkerhell

You are right it is a poor performing system. That system being our border. These people do have a way to become legal citizens - the same one that everyone else has, the same one they had before they decided to enter this country illegally - they can apply for a green card, they can learn english and they can get a job "above" radar and pay taxes like the rest of us. These people do NOT deserve an alternative way to resolve their status. The only reason we may have to give them an alternative way of resolving it is because there are so damn many of them that it's going to be next to impossible to enforce any sort of meaningful deportation. What I would love to see happen is to build a 700 mile wall from the gulf to the Pacific and arrest & immediately deport anyone that crosses it illegally. Once that is done we gather up everyone here that can't prove their identity & toss the on the other side of that wall or to whatever country we can figure they most likely came from.

While I don't agree with GSXR's ummm... stongly voiced??? opinon, I feel those who come into this country should, at the least, get booted out and forced to enter leagally if they want to be here at all.
I agree with Calinerti - I believe many would be here legally if they thought they could. Our current immigration system is screwed and it takes forever to get through. Most Mexicans have little opportunity in their own country, they are desperate and they see coming here as their only option. But, if I put a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger, and it's not in direct response to some threat said person if offering toward my life or the life of another person, then I'm going to be charged with murder & likely go to jail for some amount of time. Why is that? Because I BROKE THE LAW which is what these people are doing. I hate the condition they may have in their own country. I'm all for trying to help them out if they want to clean up their government & economic system. But, no matter how you put it, they are doing something that the LEGAL citizens of this country have determined to be against our wishes. They are doing it willfully & with forethought. It does cause a negative impact to most of the tax paying citizens of the US in all the above mentioned way & several others.

No ammnesty. Go home, apply to become a legal citizen, learn english, come back, pay taxes enjoy the good life we have here without worry about INS (not that any of them are worried about INS now but...)