temeteus82

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5343714.stm
My prays goes to the victims and their families that are suffering this horrible event...

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OmegaRED

So far the only fatality is the gunmen himself, hopefully it stays that way.

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Judas

Strict gun control won't stop a thing.... i will laugh if i hear it was unregistered gun.

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Gabriel_Etranil

My guess is that the guy was on something either prescribed or not, if so that is where I believe the real problem for this event lies.

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pr0digal jenius

2 dead now....one woman, and the gunman [gunman killed the woman, wounded 19...and then police killed the gunman]


why's it always school? nobody ever shoots up much of anywhere else these days

SFOSOK

I think we need strict dumbass control

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pr0digal jenius

the only issue there is who determines the definition of "dumbass"

Pompey

I first head a bout it half way through a breaking news article on CNN and thought it was America before they said it was Canada.
Ill bet this was some emo kid who had been bullied half his life.

I think there should be gun controls, but people should have a right to them. For example, if you want a rifle you need to show that you have a legitimate need for one (like farmers, registered hunters etc). If you want a small handgun for "self defence" then ok, so long as you have no serious convictions, you’re mentally stable and you take classes/ prove you know how to use one.
The individuals 'right' has to be weighed against the risks to society. A gun is a tool that has no other purpose than to kill/harm - unlike a knife.

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Vikingod

Gun control would have done nothing to prevent this. If someone wants to kill someone, they will do it. If this guy is so obsessed with guns and death he certainly would have gotten these weapons out of the hands of the law. Gun control mainly effects those that acquire guns through legal channels, something I've a feeling this guy does not have much respect for.

The problem is not with guns, or video games (read this article ) or music, etc. It's got to do with irrational people trying to function in a rational society. Over the years, I've learned some people just can't function, and sometimes, tragically, this is the way they deal with it. Instead of adapting, they take this way out.

Its very easy to blame guns, and games, and bullies, and the media, and the war, and rock n roll, and rap, and their parents, and the school, and the cops, and MySpace, and movies, and the economy, and all that other stuff. IMO, its all an excuse. Chasing and trying to understand, repair, and restrict those avenues is not the way to combat this problem.

Maybe its got less to do with society and more to do with individuals too screwed up in the head to realize there is more to life than infamy and death? I mean, sure I want to be remembered, and hell, I was the victim of many a bully, and I sure have played a ton of video games and listened to dark music. Hell, I've even read scary, murderous books, and have a keen interest in vintage firearms. I've even been upset to the point where logic and consequences seemed to fade into nothing. I have a feeling we all have (ever been cheated on, or betrayed?). But have I ever thought something like this was a reasonable solution to my problems? No. Is that because my parents told me it wasn't? No, perhapes they didn't need to. Maybe the games I played weren't violent enough? Hmmm, maybe they were. Maybe that German Metal I used to love so much wasn't as hard as it is nowadays? I doubt that too.

Maybe society isn't the real problem. We all live there, why don't we all want to climb a clock tower and thin out the neighborhood? it's these few individuals that do these terrible acts, maybe the burden should be on them. Next in line are all the stupid bastards that didn't stand up and say something to the authorities when they realized maybe Johnny was a bit of his rocker. I doubt last year at this time this nutcase was working his way toward a Nobel Peace Prize. Hell, he was advertizing his sickness, plan as day, or anyone to see. I understand that is not the most satisfying conclusion, after all, its too simple.

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Tinkerhell

I agree. Gun control & the idea thereof is a joke. The only thing that does is take firearms out of the hands of people that would only use them legitimately anyway. If someone is going to hurt others, even if they couldn't find a gun illegally (which isn't really any problem if you put your mind to it), they could find something else. I expect with little difficulty a 50 gallon propane tank (obtained at any gas station) and a flare and the same nut can cause just as much, or more destruction and death. To be very honest I think when this type of person end up using a gun(s) on a school it's not the worst thing possible. As I said. With just a bit of pre-planning, some creativity, and a trip to the local radio shack the same person could likely come up with something very nasty that would take out many more people... I feel sorry for those that have been hurt or that have had special people close to them hurt by these nuts but trying to take my guns away from me won't help that at all.

OmegaRED

He had 3 guns, at least one of which is an automatic gun. All were registered to him and he is a nut therefore better gun control is needed.

I want to know why the fuck anyone can buy an assault weapon like this at a gunshop in Canada


This isn't Iraq what possible reason would anyone need a gun like that which is clearly designed to kill people and nothing else.

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Tinkerhell

My point is still the same. Illegally obtaining guns is not hard to do at all.
But I'll play devils advocate and go with your thought - we need tougher gun control. Ok how? You can't just say - "No guns". At least not here in the USA, that whole constitutional right to keep & bear arms and all. So you say ok, we have to live with people having guns, fine, my main concern is that "nuts" have access to guns & in particular have access to full auto firearms. How do you resolve that? Nuts - fine so we require a psych test before you can get a permit for a gun.
1) how do you finance that? You can't make the potential gun owner have to pay for it because if they can't pay for it then you are preventing them from owning a firearm. The Constitution says you can't do that. So you have to figure out how to pay for it.
2) What test do you give them? A vast majority of "nuts" would pass any sort of psych test that might be feasible to give the average person wanting a gun. I mean you can't require someone to go in for a 3 day psych exam overseen by a qualified doctor. And besides, who says that I might be just fine & dandy & pass any test you give me today however five years from now after a series of traumatic experiences I might have snapped & be totally fruit loops.

So much for your better screening to keep guns out of "nuts" hands.

Next point - prevent full auto weapons from being available.
Have you done much research into full auto weapons? I can get a semi auto gun & with a few clicks on the interent & a few bucks spent at the hardware store I can turn it into a full auto. With some makes of gun it's no more difficult that filing down one piece of metal. So what good does that do to restrict who has what? Besides even now, to legally have a full auto weapon you have to obtain a special license, have it registered, be finger printed & on file with the FBI. The legally obtained guns really aren't a problem for the most part. I would say it makes things easier for the "nut" scenario but how do you prevent it?

And the bottomw line again is that even if you say "Nope, no more guns for anyone period". Felony offense. That means the only people with guns will be criminals. And besides myself and about a billion other american will still have our guns. You want to come to the door & and demand them because I'm a good guy & I've registered all my stuff so you know I have them. Opps. Seems they were stolen a while back. Got a search warrent to go through my house. Ok, go ahead. After you leave I'll give it a month or so then go in my back yard & dig em up & hide in the house again. Know how much it costs to get a warrent, have the officers turn the house over. Going to do that a couple million times. How you going to pay for it? It won't happen.

For the USA, guns are here & are not going away. I'll be damned if I'm goin to be in a situation where some thief can come in rape my wife, shoot my dog rob my home while I'm forced to sit by & watch after he's beat the crap out of me all because isolated cases of bad things happen where someone did bad things with a gun.

Going to take my car awayt too? Know how many cases of vehiclular homicide happen each year? Drunk driving?

I say again, it's a bad thing that happened, I feel sorry for those invovled, but even if my child had been at the school & been hurt or killed, I would not be a proponent of gun control. It's a mean old world, bad shit happens even to good people.

Pompey

No one here is saying ban guns, were saying (or im saying at least) that there needs to be laws governing who gets them and an official register of all the legally held guns in the country.

There is a system already in place like this, but before you can get a gun there needs to be a background check for criminal and medical records (including psychiatric history) to prevent knowing violent or mentally unstable people from getting access to a dangerous weapon. This wont catch everybody, but it will catch most people.
Another reason why it is a good idea to have a register is that if there is murder, it is easier for the police to track down the gun that did it. This only works if the gun is registered, but it is better than having no register at all.
Just because its easy to improvise an automatic weapon does not mean they should be legal. There is no reasonable ground for having one.

Now to the main bit of your argument, that people have access to guns illegally.
People still get murdered even though we have laws against it, so does that mean we should legalise murder? of course not!
If someone uses an illegal firearm in an assault or bank robbery then that is another few years that can be waked onto his or her sentence. That’s another few years that a violent criminal is kept away from the community.

Cars are registered, you need a licence to drive one and it is illegal to drive without either of these or a warrant of fitness. Drink driving is illegal, there are laws restricting things like speed and of course mandatory use of seat belts.

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Zelig

That gun is actually a Beretta CX4 Storm. It's a semiautomatic carbine which fires pistol ammo, and is legal in Canada as long as you don't have a criminal record.

Really? I could probably manage the same thing, given a carbine like the one used in the shooting, but given as I'm not trained as a gunsmith, chances are pretty good it would end up prone to jams and misfirings, and far less effective than just using in burst mode.

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temeteus82

More stupid people with guns.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5387062.stm


I hope that that situation will solve peacefully.

[EDIT] Well it didn't end nicely... one killed and the gunman shoot himself ...

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