ekinlegend

Some people like to collect guns. I agree on stricter laws but dont think they should be banned. That gun looks nice btw.

SFOSOK

Strict gun laws do absolutely nothing.

Its like saying I could really go for a sweet piece of cheesecake right now but the government has banned it because it will make you fat if you eat too much. Laws should be stricter and have several test including psycological profiling that determine how best you are equiped mentally to handle a weapon.

To a lot of people gun's are part of their culture and restricting their culture because some f*cknut decided to kill a bunch of people is not the answer.




Hell pens are dangerous. What if somebody went around killing other people with pens? Should we ban everything sharp to protect people. The thing is, if someone wants to kill somebody they'll do it. What about swords and knives? Those are highly decorative and traditional items. What if all the guns in the world were banned and people started using knives instead. Ok lets say all the knives and swords are banned. Now people start getting killed with anything that can be sharpened to kill people or just plain run over people with their cars.

Ok, we live in a world of soft plastic and foam cars. Someone chokes someone to death. Ok so now all of our arms are tied to our bodies...Someone headbuts someone else to death....

Ok ok, so now they wear shock collars in their neck braces and are restricted from bumping into each other too hard.




What expect to do? Live in a f*ckin bubble?


People die, and people die because other people kill them (by any means).

Get over it!

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IamLakota

If you take away all the guns only the criminals will have them.
Me I prefer my bow and arrows and my kinves but I do own several guns and I'll not give them up willingly,to coin a pharse They'll get my guns when the pry them from my cold dead hands",and yes I am a Proud member of The NRA.

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temeteus82

Your guns are stored in a place where you only have access??

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Sandok

Meh people on the Northeren Continent of America are just a bit cookoo... Everyone has guns in Switzerland (every man to be precis) and what, we have like 0 gun deaths a year. No school shootings, no nothing...

temeteus82

Yeah, the Swiss military gives the guns to them ans trains them how to use it. And they are kept in safe place. Right?

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Maddogg6

The old saying...
Guns dont kill people - people kill people...

the real problem here as I see it...

Parents are too busy, bustin their asses paying for homes, cars and toys they cant afford, to teach their kids simple respect (self and otherwise).

They are too busy paying off christmas debt - which ends up being the parents 'conscience cleaning' for all the time they DIDNT spend with their kids - it seems kids get iPods instead of attention these days.

Maddogg6

Let us not forget grocery carts - you know how many kids that either die or are injured for life because of them? Prolly not. They keep they pretty quiet here. but we would NEVER consider a ban on shopping carts - now would we ladies? Yet - it happens way more than these (OP) incidents....

Whats the common factor of - ALL gun violence - if you ignore the gun - its the PERSON' pulling the trigger when its aimed at another PERSON.

Gun violence is NOT the problem is IS A SYMPTOM.

temeteus82

In other words parents don't have time to raise their kids and the kids just watch TV and see violence...

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SFOSOK

Maybe we should all just eat our children and end the world right now

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The_Neon_Cowboy

Yes, who wants everyday people having guns? When it can just be the criminals
that are armed to the hilt picking the helpless regular every day Joe clean or mowing
people down at will. People helpless until police arrives... how ever long that takes...

I mean if I had a gun and ran around here shooting people a few minutes in I be in
a freaking gun fight and eating much lead as people have guns. In you gun control
guys world I could kill the whole freaking neighborhood and be gone before the
police shows up...

Armed robbery would rise as people would effectively bringing a knife to a gun fight.
It actually prevents crime as well as such a robber usally doesnt want to die thus
fears breaking into places. As they could be greeted with a gun toteing grandma
with a ichy trigger finger....

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temeteus82

For some reason we here have strict gun control. And we don't have armed robbery's every day .... That might bee because that people needed guns to protect themselves from the wildlife in 1900th century USA. And we newer had to have guns for that purpose.

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TheBlackCat

I personally do not like the NRA or the anti-gun crowd. Both groups, as is generally the case, are just too extreme and too dogmatic. The NRA rejects any gun restrictions whatsoever, which I find stupid. The anti-gun crowd (the most extreme members) reject any gun ownership whatsoever, which I find equally stupid. As is the case in most issues, the best course of action appears to be somewhere in between the two extremes.


The fundamental issue is that there is a difference between have restrictions on guns and a ban on guns. This distinction seems to be lost on some people, particularly the NRA. There are two real issues here: making guns as difficult or risky for criminals to get as possible, and making guns that are needlessly powerful hard to get.

Certainly granny doesn't need to be lugging around a fully-automatic AK47. That sort of gun is simply not necessary for self-defense. The only real role it has is offensive, not defensive. Spraying high-velocity bullets around during a home invasion is an excelent way to kill your kids, pets, and neighbors. You would be much better of with a small, easily-controllable gun designed for easy of use in enclosed spaced and penetrating non-armored targets (you don't want to shoot through a wall and kill a neighbor). Similarly, no one is going to be walking down the street with an AK47 in their back pocket. There are certain sorts of guns law-abiding people just do not need, or in fact would be better off not having. Since law-abiding people have no real use for those guns, the only logical role (short of just having it for show) is for aggressive purposes, either police or criminals. I am all for police having assault rifles available (although not fully-automatic ones). But those guns are just not helpful to everday people, or in fact are bad for them to have, so making them extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get is perfectly reasonable.

Second, in every choice you make there are percieved costs and benefits. Either subconciously or conciously you only choose to do something when the percieved benefits outweighs the percieved costs. Risks of something bad happening are percieved as costs. Therefore, increasing the perceived riskiness of a certain behavior will decrease the number of people willing to carry out that act. Sure criminals could still get guns no matter how many barriers you throw up in front of them. However, each additional barrier adds additional cost to getting a gun, be it time, money, dealing with risky people, or risk of getting in trouble with the law. Thus, it would reduce the number of criminals willing to get guns. Naturally you want law-abiding people to be able to defend themselves, and restricting the percieved ability for everyday people to own guns increases the percieved benefit for criminals to own a gun and very well might balance out or even outweigh the increase in costs. We definitely don't want criminals to think guns are better with the restrictions, which may very well have happened in some states.

So the trick is making it as difficult for criminals to get guns while not making it seem as though potential victims are unarmed. Making sure people convicted of violent crimes cannot get guns legally is a way to do this. This includes gun shows, since having a legal way to own guns without any real difficulty completely ruins everything. Having a national gun registry to increase the perception of risk to getting a gun for criminals or selling a gun to criminals is also logical (it is not just the criminals we want to discourage, but also the people selling to them). Making them jump through a lot of hoops to get the most dangerous guns is also logical. Making sure legal gun owners are trained in proper use of their gun is another good method, since it increases the risk of trying to use a gun in a crime.

These sorts of choices are generally not concious. They are going on the subconcious of everybody in every decision they make. No action is taken unless subconciously or conciously it is deemed to have more benefits that costs. It is all a matter of manipulating particular groups' perception of costs and benefits in order to maximize the number of people who make the choice we went them to make. Everyone percieves costs and benefits differently, it is all a matter of maximizing the number of people who make the choice we want and minimizing the number of people who make the choice we don't.

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Pompey

Having a gun doesn’t necessarily mean it will protect you from being robed or whatever, I think it provides more peace of mind than anything else.
Think about it. Let’s take the scenario of someone breaking into your house. To do anything about it you first of all have to be home. And most importantly you have to have access to your gun before the intruder notices what you’re doing (and that could be hard to do, unless you’re one of those irresponsible people who puts it in a place a 3yr old could find). And in many different scenarios you could easily end up with a hostage situation or for some other reason things may not go your way.

Im not part of the 'anti-gun' lobby but people need to realize a gun many not give them the level of protection they think it will give them.

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SFOSOK

Did you know in a few states people are allowed to carry concealed weapons on them (handguns) with the proper permit. With that permit comes the responsibility of a citizen's arrest type deal, like if a man robs a liquor store you are expected to defuse with the situation acordingly and can be fined and such if they did absolutely nothing about it. I think this is for states with few law enforcement and its nearly impossible to get the permit.

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