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Old Sep 7, 2006, 07:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Its gunna happen no matter what we do so the sooner we take care of our dependance on gasoline the quicker things can fix themselves after they f*ck up.
No. The slower gasoline prices increase the more time we will have to shift over to alternatives. But if they increase too slowly it will be too late. Doing this fast will lead to chaos. Not doing it at all will lead to disaster. It has to be done at a reasonable and sustaniable pace. There will be economic cost no matter what, but balancing the short term and long term costs is essential or the plan will backfire.
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Old Sep 8, 2006, 03:51 AM   #47 (permalink)
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So long as we are forced to convert to other forms of energy slowly, we should be fine.

In NZ, Wind power is now cheaper than coal so electricity companies are racing to build wind farms. Within a couple of decades, its expected to provide 30% of our electricity based on the number and size of farms that have gained or are in the process of gaining resource consent.
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So long as we are forced to convert to other forms of energy slowly, we should be fine.

In NZ, Wind power is now cheaper than coal so electricity companies are racing to build wind farms. Within a couple of decades, its expected to provide 30% of our electricity based on the number and size of farms that have gained or are in the process of gaining resource consent.
And in 2020, New Zealand will become the first flying island.
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No. The slower gasoline prices increase the more time we will have to shift over to alternatives. But if they increase too slowly it will be too late. Doing this fast will lead to chaos. Not doing it at all will lead to disaster. It has to be done at a reasonable and sustaniable pace. There will be economic cost no matter what, but balancing the short term and long term costs is essential or the plan will backfire.
The demand and price for oil is off. Its not long before it hits 5.00
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Old Sep 11, 2006, 06:35 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Old Sep 11, 2006, 08:03 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I know I am not old member or anything, but why is the above fool still allowed in here?
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Old Oct 19, 2006, 09:01 PM   #52 (permalink)
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i think he's still allowed here because this is a debate thread (?)
anyways, i think if i recall any diesel engine can use any type of food or plant oil and america loving its fried foods we have an abundance of fueling stations (have you ever not seen a mcdonalds, kfc, wendys, taco hell, or any type of greasy spoon in the smallest of towns?) as long as its filtered. people just don't want to do it because it's the simple minds of people to go down, slide a piece of plastic, and grab a handle. this is where the profit comes in.
>put a gas station mcdonalds xpress or whatever you prefer in a town and see how it does. you get double your money of frying grease and it goes almost full circle, plus you can charge any price that's under the price of gasoline and make huge profits.
>only downside is that people need diesels to be in this "club". so all you european car and diesel truck owners (i.e. public buses and transportation vehicles) will be in luck for a cheap, dual use fuel.
i really don't see what the argument is other than typical american subborness and coperate leg humping.
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