welcome to World War III

Falstaff

just a joke man...

Everybodys panties are in a bind...

Maddogg6

Ok - you started this... and you seem to really want to keep throwing sh!t at me....

1) I was already corrected on you not being the same person... oh great 'buff on' fae scottland. Your just weird and not using 2 forum accounts. Got ya.

But, where do I think you are? - well, I just took a dump and flushed my toilet - so, the first thing to come into mind is.... 'in a sewer some place'. But I could really care less either way...

2) You might want to get a refund on your english lessons - and get them elsewhere btw ... just a 'friendly' suggestion. So you can...

3) review the forum rules. (and understand posts too)

Because you see - calling me a 'Buffon' or a 'fud' - are not supposively allowed in these forums - but don't worry - I wont go running for a mod and cry - 'this guy is calling me names -wha' ... no sir, thats not me. I can throw sh!t with the best of em...
But you are perpetuating this by continuing your personal attack. Just FYI. And Im NOT gonna sit here and take it from the likes of you.

PS - I llinked the 'big words' to websters for your convenience - please make use of them.

This is fun - right?

Maddogg6

Arent jokes supposed to contain humor... ?? or at least SOME indication of jest?

Not all of us wear 'panties'.... ???

Alien1

Another USA Republican talk

Ohh man where is BWX,SFOSOKSOKSOK and his Rebs Girlfriends
He loves these talks

"The Bad Lebanean Terrorists"
and
"The good Israel killers (or USA sympathizers....)"

"War is a needed thing bla bla bla"
"bla bla bla bla bla Israel is good guys BLA BLA BLA"
"Lebanon supports Hesbolah...so bad terrorists BLA BLA BLA BLA"
"Bla bla bla We (Israel) kill Lebanian civilians but that's war and that's life bla bla bla"
"BLA BLA BLA anyone supporting else from USA Rebs is a Hesbolah propaganda victim or worse BLA BLA"
"BLA BLA BLA USA afraids of losing their Wordwide Status Quo Bla bla bla

Same old USA Republic story for the low educated masses and their supporters
Why Europe has to listen to the USA Rebs BS ??
The Driverheaven USA Republic channel and how necessary and good wars are

Pompey

Ummmm...no. But your example is a great one. Following WWI the allies asserted their dominance over the defeated Germany, forcing her to pay massive reparations and accept total responsibility for the war (when in fact it was the fault of Austria-Hungary). It was these desperate conditions (and many other factors) imposed as a result of Germanys defeat that lead to the rise of the Nazis and WWII. Germany did not retain its industrial base; Hitler re-built it during the 1930's.

Im not talking about just 'negotiating peace', that can only be done after a war. Im talking about solving international disputes through Diplomacy or international bodies such as the WTO. In most cases an 'unconditional victory' leaves a simmering resentment, it doesn’t address the root cause.

SFOSOK

While I find your post funny, you didn't really make a point or show any evidence for any of your claims...including "blah blah blah"

Asmoday

As usual in this forum section the threads turns in to a bickering/name calling fest, if it doesn't end now this thread will be closed!

BWX

Par for the course..


Exactly. If someone tries to break into my house, violence will happen, and it will solve a problem...

Maddogg6

Ok - I do see your point and most here WOULD use violence to protect them selves... but there ARE other alternatives....prevention.

Wouldnt it be 'safer' for you and your family to instead of buying weapons for protection - to buy other security devices (steel doors & jams, multiple dead-bolts, bars on windows, move to better neighborhood, work harder so you can afford to do so, have neighborhood watches etc...) to avoid that from happening in the first place? (how much is a family member $worth$, or you own life?)

I mean - THAT violence that happens may only affect ONLY you and not the one who broke in (like you were sleeping or something - or what if your not home - and its ONLY your wife?) as he may have a bigger (gun/knife/fist - selct one) than you and he could kill you/your family. {edit:} when all that crook may have wanted was your TV , but was *forced* into reacting to having that baseball bat swung at him or what ever{end edit}
To me avoidance is a better and more logical *defensive* tactic (And I think was Alien1's point.), unless of course, you 'prefer' the violent direction. ??

additional edit: To me it seems strange for the hezbolah to start sh!t with such a powerful force - what Id like to know is why did they take such a ballsy action like that to begin with? - suicidal just doesnt seem like a reasonable answer to that question.

Me - I have NO idea - I wont claim to understand the politics happening over there - but also I dont understand how anyone here could either...

AND killing/seriously injuring someone because they *tried* to break into your house does NOT justify any violence in the eyes of our courts - and to crack a crooks head open will most likely land YOU in jail as well as civil court - and you'll not only loose that TV he was after - you loose your home, career, car, motorcycles etc etc etc
end additional edit:

Iroth

My theory is to stir up anti-sematic BS in the region. They call that playing to their 'base' in the U.S. With everything going on in Iraq and Iran a nice little tussle with Israel will stir up muslims in the region and when the inevitable U.S. intervention comes they can point the finger at Israel and the U.S. to make their case amongst their people. Then Iran gets involved since they support both hamas and hezbollah. The U.S. reacts to that and it completely de-stabilizes Iraq (if there's any stability there at all) which discredits what the U.S. claims to be doing there (Who knows what that is, it changes every week anyway). Which further incites muslim violence. Anyway, if I was the leader of Iran and I hated the U.S. and Israel, that's what I'd do.

Esaz666

Even through, most everything happening in the middle east is negative, there must be a way through the situation.
Isreal has had a public relations disaster now,the world is angry, especially over the latest airstrike deaths.
I just wish the good people of both countrys could take control of the situation and stop this spiralling voilence in its tracks.
Nobody deep down wants to see wasted life snuffed out for no real reason.Tony blair has been a total useless idiot.
The politicians better do something quick or all hell is going to break loose.
Un buildings are getting attacked,their failure to help is making them a target.I dont care who's in the wrong or right, the killing must stop.

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St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock will move." "Oh," said the man, "Whose clock is that?""That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie." "Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?" St. Peter responded, "That's the Queen's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that she has told only two lies in her life."

"Where's Tony Blair's clock?" asked the man.

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Maddogg6

Its an interesting theory... but its not an original one and I have to imagine SOMEONE who is in a position to apply this knowledge has already considered this.

I guess Im wondering.... whats the motivation is behind all the hate?

Back in the 70's Iran released 52 US hostages to have trade sanctions lifted (granted after 444 days, but no war was started btw... which indicates diplomacy CAN work, and there IS some level of civility over there) - but why did we put sanctions on them to begin with? - what was Irans motivation to do what ever cause those sanctions? ... and so on...

Just seems like a long history of 'tit for tat' way of 'conflict resolution' has clouded real issues.

Maybe our definition for the term 'foriegn policy' (especially when it includes a military as strong as ours), equates to 'butting in and/or forcing your (and/or your allies) will into other peoples affairs' when no immediate threat to the US is evident?? Or possibly, our military and/or our technology are available to anyone who can afford it??. Shouldnt it instead, mean being the 'peace keepers' we claim to be??

IMO - our countries corporations should have NO right selling ANY military tech or equipment (jets, warheads, missles, tanks, or even bullets, etc) to ANY other country - as it would seem obvious that to me, by supplying arms to other countries - these businesses and their tax collecting gov't, are profiting from these 'skirmishes'. Is our economy worth it?

Now, If we were to use our weapons ONLY for actions taken against us directly, and against those we catch supplying arms to other countries - would make us the true 'peace keeping nation' we claim to be. And IMHO, make for a more peacefull (albiet less eventfull) world.

But - I've asked myself, WHY the US is so hated around the world?, and arms sales to foriegn entities seems to me, to be at, or near the root. But I also understand that, being on the side of the most obvious military and economic power, its 'easier' just to agree with sending the troops into battle than it is to deal with such questions, or to question the motivations of our leaders. But I assure you - its only easy in the short term.

Pompey

That would affect each countries allies more than the enemy. Most governments already have laws regulating the sale of arms or arms components and in some cases embargos are imposed.

Yousaif

Iran's motivation to release those hostages was because the outgoing President (Jimmy Carter) wouldn't have resorted to violence while the incoming President (Reagan) would have.

Don't forget that we got word of them leaving Irani airspace at the same time Reagan was being sworn in.

Maddogg6

well, given the USSR situation at the time, Id say it was a real possibility that reagen would not have invaded iran, as it would have left us with our pants down had russia decided to take advantage of our 'weakness'.

Iran releasing the hostages showed me they're NOT just suicidal nut cases - looking to start WWIII. They demonstrated rational thought.

Besides my main point was - there was more behind the taking of those 52 hostages. And that the trade sanctions on Iran were a reaction to something, which Im certain was a reaction to something else.

SFOSOK

You know if we didn't buy and sell millitary arms from other countries we would not have the best Millitary force in the world. Frankly american engineering sucks when compared to HK

BWX

Besides the point... Not talking about prevention, talking about what happens when prevention has already failed.

Maddogg6

Well, you used the word 'TRIED' to break in... attempt - not necessarily successful... EVEN if they did get in and you injur the guy - presedence has been set - you DONT have the right to use violence unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that your life was in danger. period. Your surviving family can visit you in jail...but at least he did'nt take your TV. He'll do that in civil court instead.

Thats the way the law is.

BWX

No- if the guy tries to break in I can shoot him in the face.. I don't have to wait till he is already inside, putting myself in further danger. If I discover someone already inside, and I think he is armed, I'll shoot him and kill him too.. I won't be spending any time in jail. You can contemplate whether or not you will spend time in jail while the guy rapes your wife and steals all your money, I'll kill him before he gets the chance. It's called self defense.


The same exact thing applies to countries defending themselves.. with violence.. AKA, bombing the crap out of your enemy who is attacking you.

Alien1

Here we go again

-It is called defending your country and your territory
Give up for them means beeing a coward

What smartness has to do with surrender ??

If they love their country and their ideas they will never give up
Will you give up ?? NO

They are willing to die for what they love and for what they believe taking several others to hell with them before they are beeing eradicated

Not in the eyes of the world
These is mostly USA Republican opinion not a World opinion

Most countries are with the UN side and they agree with the "UN word"

But as long the USA playing their "Muppet Show" with their close Friends Israel in these
UN the only thing it can do is to protest against these war

Alien1

These is definately a USA idealogy of what self defence means

And how can you be so sure that these guy will ever get in your home or he is interested for your home

So you become a attacker and a killer too with the only excuse that you killed him first before he "maybe" does it to you someday
and by the way you kill his kid and his wife also (unarmed civilians or casualties of war)

I do not see you actually beeing better than these murderer