Lebanon Israel Conflict

temeteus82

Well back in 80's Saddam were thinking the same and what Israel did?? Attacked the site ofcourse....

BWX

Thank GOD! I am glad they did, they had every reason to.

See, they didn't use the nukes though.. they won't use them either unless someone nukes them first.. but if that happens, the world as we know it is over anyway.

bob saget

I am steaming so much. That idiot on CNN, the guy who is ambassador of lebabnon or something, calls israel terrorists. Lets not for get that hezbolah (not lebanon) went into israel, kidnapped 2 soldiers, and started launched largly inaccurate missiles into villages and or largly populated cities. This is after israel volunterily pulled out of gaza. Israel has every right to bomb the hell out of hezbolah. If cevilians get hurt, that is very sad and tragic but it is the nature of war. Most targets are in populated areas. Lets not forget that katyushas are landing in some populated cities like haifa. One thing i dont get is why? why would hezbollah after relatively couple weeks of peace go into israel and start everything again? One thing that Hezbollah (and other terrorist cells in Middle East) has done very well is propoganda. Because of very good propoganda the whole world now hates America and Isarel. I used to live in Israel but then came to Canada. As soon as 1 persone dies somewhere in car accident the whole world literally stops. All they show is civilians getting killed in Beirut on Canadian TV. People Die. thats the bottom line. its very sad but it happens. In life and in war innocent good people die. what about the innocent people in the Trade Center, The pentagon, or the bus stations in israel that were terrorized by suicide bombers. Israel has done in last couple of crisis nothing wrong. I hope Isarael and US blow terrorists to 7th heaven (or i guess to allah's summer cottage)

BWX

Yeah that guy us a complete moron! -he is supposed to be "moderate" too.. That proves that there is a huge problem.. when the moderates are basically agreeing with the Islamofascists.

SFOSOK

Anyone who supports, supplies, or harbors terrorists should be thrown into jail or die.



I don't really think a lot of you know what a terrorist is. Its not just some word that the "Bush Administration" Manufactured to get ahold of oil in the middle east.



Terrorism

Therefore anyone comitting or supporting such acts should be eradicated from the face of the planet.

bob saget

Damn straight SFOSOK and BWX. I dont remeber his name Moustapha something. wat an idiot ignore the questions and says israel are terrorists.

BWX

Yeah.. Hezbollah using the UN as human shields, but Israel are terrorists for attacking the enemy that are lobbing bombs at their cities.

At least Israel is targeting military targets, such as the point where rockets are launched at them.

It's pretty unbelievable the amount of support terrorists, admitted terrorists, can come up with in that part of the world..

bob saget

Exactly. Also another point I made earlier. Those terrorists are very good at propaganda. Because of them most arabic and asian countries now hate US/Israel and feel simpathetic to terrorists. As soon as some soldiers die (especially from Canada that fight in Afghanistan) whole country starts saying war was bad decision.
"They said Israel dropped 23 tonnes of explosives on bunker, I say they need another 2300 tonnes"

Falstaff

If you prosecuted all the countries that served the interests of terrorists you would elminate from the map almost the entire gamet of super powers.

SFOSOK

Well then there lies the problem. Maybe some governments are a little overdue for a revolution. (ours included)

bob saget

I am not persecuting governments that harbor terrorists. I am saying that with very good propaganda many countries that are bellow superpower status now see terrorists as "good guys". If US/Israel/Britain made more propaganda more people would be in favor of war. Although its good to see 80% people in israel actually want war to continue. Too bad its not like that in US.

SFOSOK

I think the world needs a clear message of this


Terrorist = Death. If a person is convicted of terrorism they should be sentenced to death.

Iroth

Two problems with that.
1. Just because somebody is convicted doesn't always mean they're guilty.

2. Locking them up for the rest of their lives with absolutely ZERO contact with the outside world prevents them from becoming a martyr to their cause.

SFOSOK

but it bleeds the system. Truthfully that would be a great idea if we had infinite money and weren't in debt lol.

Iroth

It's actually cheaper to lock someone up for life then it is to execute them. With the tie ups of the appeals systems and all.

bob saget

israel will just either bomb the living daylights out of the terrorists or capture them and put in israeli prisons (dont forget hezbalah is terrorist org. and americans probably want a few of those guys too.) BTW i have been in a Israel prison and they real scary.

SFOSOK

I highly doubt the cost of shelter, food, and security is less than a bullet, gun, and one person.

I was speaking no apeals for terrorism.

Iroth

I understand your point. In all honesty in cases like that I haven't quite made up my mind on the death penalty, those two points I stated before are the things that I keep running into when I try to come to a conclusion.

But no appeals would be complete BS. The appeals process is one of the things that make our justice system tolerable. There are abuses to be sure, but the fact that it's there is one of the guiding principles of our justice system. When the time comes that those principles are challenged and you end up going against them then they're not really principles at all. It's all a lie. Principles are only principles if they hold when its INconvenient. To throw away those principles, even in extreme cases, pretty much ensures that they've already won.

On another note, if they (the government) wanted to kill someone via the death penalty and wanted to make sure that they couldn't appeal, what's to stop them from bending the truth and calling the offense terrorism? It's not our like our government has ever lied, not even on regular enough basis that it's almost expected.

Falstaff

be careful what you might wish for...LOL

there is a economic revolution occuring as we sit in front of our televsion sets and mash our pimples and never giving a tinkers curse about anything that goes on in the world...but soon
and very very soon, India and China will emerge as economic superpowers, and we will measure the price of oil not in dollars per barrel but in chinese currency.
We cant ignore Israel and Lebanon, but forgive me but this is a sideshow, the Jews are fully capable of invading Lebanon and putting an end to this, they procrastinate or perhaps yield to world opinion, but they could wipe the countryside clean and Syria would just send more.
Ever wonder where Syria gets their support...ask Putin.
Things are a great deal more complicated that the shoddy British or American press would have you believe...
We are myopic in our world view, if we depend soley on the aforementioned wire services.
I listen to it all day by day and you have to give Al Jazeera its due, they have the courage to put their reporters right in the middle of the bombing, and the invasions just to capture the other side of the story.
I am a republican, and a conservative and I believe the world is overdue for a radical change in thinking, way of life and direction in terms of world peace....
we shall have a false peace in the middle east, we shall see the anti-christ rise and we shall see the whore of Babylon soon....and I believe in my lifetime.
A change is coming...
STFB

Partizan

Here is a great article about the Lebanon Israel conflict by George Monbiot, a respected Guardian journalist.

Regards, Partizan

shakoor_h

I agree with what you guys are saying, that Israel are fighting against a Terrorist organisation, but seriously think about it. Lebanon had 1,109 dead, probably 1000 of them were CIVILIANS, whereas Israel had 158 dead, most of them Soldiers. So who is creating more terror?

Lebanon has 1 million people displaced, Israel has 0.5 million (which is still a lot), but who is creating more terror? Israel has destroyed thousands of buildings.

And now that the troops are pulling out, who is helping the Lebanese? Hizbullah. Why do you think the Lebanese support them?

Believe me I don't support terrorism at all, and I don't support this war, but I am 100% backing Hizbullah, What has Israel achieved? If they had killed only Hizbullah fighters I would be happy, cos they are terrorists, but they killed more civillians and destroyed buildings and hospitals. That's the reason I don't support ths war, because all Israel does is kill everyone, it doesn't matter if they are old, young, women or children. If you are meant to be a respectible country, with a trained army, I'm pretty sure you should be able to tell the difference. Obviously the same can't be said for terrorists, because they are terrorists and don't care who dies, but that's the same as Israel. Sugar coated terrorists.

Btw, it is Hizbullah. Not Hezbollah, this means nothing in Arabic, mainly because the two sounds (Hez and Oll) don't exist. However Hizbullah means Party (Hizb - e.g. Conservative party) of Allah (Ullah)

temeteus82

Add Hu Jintao to the list ....

Falstaff

Far as I am concerned when you target civilians you are as bad as terrorists..
I mean where does it end?