Lebanon Israel Conflict

Alien1

You used your personal comments with me like "siding with the terrorists "
so
yes it's "Mr BWX" and a "Bush lover" (your kind) for you...

Does these sound strange to you ??

I am supporting the "Lebanese" not "Hesbollah"


You say they have the right to attack...

what if we attack for example your country because we think you are hiding terrorists
Would it be our right ???

I am trying to understand your logic behind these and i am certainly not understanding it or from what i understand i am surely not agreeing you with these

BWX

Nasrallah has said Hezbollah is proud to be called a terrorist organization by the "Great Satan." He has repeatedly argued that the United States is the cause of all Lebanon's woes. In the wake of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, he explained that "death to America is not a slogan. Death to America is a policy, a strategy and a vision."


Lebanese people support this group... So if they are killed while Israel is defending itself, then that sucks, but that's the way it is. Maybe they should be mad at Hezbollah for starting this and hiding among them using them as human shields?

You are against Israel right? You haven't said one bad thing about the terrorist. That's why i said you "side with the terrorists."


Anyway...

You are making the mistake of putting a terrorist organization and a legitimate country on the same moral and ethical plane.

They are not.

No one who kidnaps people, hijacks planes, uses suicide bombs, and generally have no respect for human rights will be treated the same or looked at the same or given the same credibility as a country defending itself from rocket attacks by terrorists.





Who is "we" in you comment: "what if we attack for example your country"

Hard to answer that without knowing who you are talking about.

Gabriel_Etranil

That makes no sense, so your disputing whether or not Hezbollah is actually attacking Israel at all? Israel doesn't think their are terrorist in Lebanon attacking them, they ARE in south Lebanon attacking them. It might make sense if you said what if a Large military force in the United States started launching missles for months into either Canada or Mexico. But what you say makes no sense, just because a country thinks their are?

And again I pose the question: do any of you believe that a military base in the United States is a legitimate target for attacks by an enemy country?

BWX

They won't answer it..



maybe they will answer this though:

Is a military base located in a basement of a Catholic church in new York City that uses the steeple as a missile silo to launch rockets at the enemy a legitimate target?

Don't forget, there are 1000 rockets in the basement of this church/military base with civilians all around..



Maybe "drive-by" mkk has a different "alternate reality" view of this, since mine is so skewed...

C47

Fidel Castro Rulezzzz


im not cuban....

Pompey

ok then....

Moving on.
Yes, a base in American territory is a legitimate target for any enemy.
Military targets are valid targets, civilian targets are not. Saddam built bunkers under schools and hospitals but does not make it OK to bomb them from the air.

Israel has a right to defend itself, im not denying that. Im questioning their tactics. Bombing the international airport does not damage Hezbollah’s ability to fire rockets at Israel. I would have supported sending ground forces into Lebanon to take out Hezbollah and some limited air strikes. Israel’s current campaign is killing civilians and devastating the infrastructure and for what? Hezbollah still launches its rockets! All this offence will achieve is to strengthen Hezbollah’s support and diminish further Israel’s international standing. Then again theres talk about a possible EU peacekeeping force, something good may come of this after all.

SFOSOK

I think there is a lot goin on that we don't know about.

BWX

Yeah probably..

Israel is in a tough spot.. damned if they do, damned if they don't.

kelticknight

need a force in between the 2 at moment to cool things down,otherwise just keep going on as is,they had right to defend,BUTnot attach non-terroist targets,was overkill and not called for
they walked in to the terroist hands by the way they have reacted and given more juice to thugs

Gabriel_Etranil

Do you know how many civilians live and work on US military bases? Women and children in housing areas, schools, etc. all would be killed if a base was attacked, not to mention the civilian workers on bases. So civilian deaths are ok if they are killed for being at a legitimate military target?

If Hezbohllah was using the airport as their own private supply depot for shipping in caches of weapons would it be a legitimate target then? That would damage Hezbollah's ability to aquire rockets to fire. I'm not saying that's what has happend, I'm just saying if that was the scenario would you still support the bombing of an otherwise civilian target.

Israel has started sending their ground forces in and they have already found Hezbollah hiding their munitions in civilian areas (Mosques), so if Israel had made an air strike on that location and it was reported on the news that Israel was targeting mosques and civilians inside the mosques, would Israel been correct in targeting an otherwise civilian target or would the press be correct in assertion of what happend?

HawgsHead

NEVER,EVER screw with God's chosen people.You will loose EVERY time!

mainman

What do you mean by God's chosen people? Does God have a chosen people? And what God would have a chosen people? Aren't we all suppose to be his children?

HawgsHead

No. 1.You need to understand that I am a born again Christian.Christains are called to be VERY narrow minded.In other words Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.Please read the Old Testament.At least Genesis.God calls Abraham to move away from his home.Abraham was a VERY wealthy man.God told Abraham He would make a nation from his decendants.This nation is the people Isarel.The Old Testament says that Isarel is "His chosen people".When God told Abraham these things he was around 70 years of age.So he and his wife sorta kinda laughed at God."How can God make a nation from a 70 year old man"?Abraham did not believe God and he wanted a son very badly.So his wife baught a maid/slave named Hagar to him to make a child.He and Hagar did make a child.After a while Abraham's wife did become pregnant with a child.God kept His word.Hagar and her son were sent out to make there own way in the world.Hagar's son was the start of all {arabs & muslems}These are my words,not the Bible's as far as being word for word.As I said,get a copy of the Old testament and at least read Genesis.If you are new to the Bible I suggest The New Living Translation.Just look it up on line.

SFOSOK

I guess I shouldn't have given you the link hawgshead


jk man, ur just a little strong on the Christ talk, this is more about if Israel is justified.

Alien1

Ohh my
You are such a churchy and with such fanatic patriotic ideas

I am wondering who is worse
Hesbolah with their fanatic Patriotic ideas of how special they think they are
or you

The God Chosen People will Rule the world
Sheeshh

Hey Hitler and the Third Reich was also thinking that they were God-Chosen by the way

Man i have just heard and seen enough in these thread
i am moving on

I have already wasted my time with the USA George Bush Republic party members in here
i do not need religion fanaticism too

mainman

Catholic here, but i consider myself to be really open minded, i really don't see even based on the old testament or whatever writen centuries ago that one race is "chosen" or "superior" or whatever to any other. We are all equal indeferent of races, religion or whatever. Just feel that statements like those are the very fuel of the wars that we are seeing today. Just my 2 cents, they are worth what they are worth.

Gabriel_Etranil

Yeah it makes Ishmael's descendants want to wipe Izaac's descendants off the face of the Earth.

HawgsHead

You just hit the nail right on the head.And all of you that have BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE know me,and know me to be a fairly humble man.So i'm not bragging when I say this but I do have a Masters in Bible from Liberty University{Yes,i'm 1 of Jerry Falwell's kids.}I DO NOT know it all,nor claim too.But I can hold my own when it comes to the Holy Bible.This will be my last post on this subject.So some of you can calm down.

mainman

It's all good man!

Drakon

Same here. Well said, mainman

Pompey

The difference is Hezbollah put their weapons in civilian areas, The US is putting civilians (or more accurate civilians are putting themselves) on military bases. Any 'civilians' working directly for the military are part of the military.

If the airport was being used to fly in ammunitions then bombing the runway would be valid. But it wasn’t so Israel’s bombing missions were illegal attacks on civilian infrastructure. For anything to be a valid target it must be a legitimate military target, which in this case (and many others in this campaign) it was not.
In reference to your question about the Mosque it depends on a number of factors, primary the risk to civilians. If it is in a heavily built up area or civilians are sheltering in there because of the bombing then no. If is in a sparsely populated/ largely abandoned area then I would consider a precision strike acceptable.

Hezbollah’s capacity has not been harmed by the bombings. Israel has targeted bridges, roads, telecommunication hubs, power plants and sites of Hezbollah’s social services wing. Here is a quote from BBC:

Yousaif

The very definition of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization and not a national military force changes the distinction between "legitimate military targets" and "civilian targets." The airport was bombed to prevent 2 things.

1) Prevent the fast importation of additional munitions into Hezbollah's hands. Granted additional routes are available (overland and such) but they aren't as convenient.

2) Prevent Hezbollah's leadership from being able flee to safe areas so that Israel's military can capture and/or kill them.

The airports were perfectly legitimate targets. In any conflict you take out the supporting infrastructure as part of you battle plan.

Israel was attacked by a force that resides in a country that won't do anything on their own to stop the attacks being launched from their soil. By not doing anything to stop it, they promote it.

If Hezbollah hides munitions in the basement of a mosque, then the mosque is a legitimate military target. The whole reason they hide those things in "civilian areas" is that they hope that they won't get hit and if they do they know that it will cause a public outcry.

On a side note, has anyone seen the Hamas documentary on Discovery Times channel? Nothing like a little "all Israel must be destroyed" to give you heartburn.

HawgsHead

I said I wasnt gonna post on this subject any more but I'm studying Nehemiah in the Bible now.Someone had a question about Israel being God's chosen people..................................When I heard [how things were going in Jerusalem], I sat down and wept. In fact, for days I mourned, fasted, and prayed to the God of heaven. Then I said, "O Lord, God of heaven, the great and awesome God who keeps his covenant of unfailing love with those who love him and obey his commands, listen to my prayer! Look down and see me praying night and day for your people Israel.

Nehemiah 1:4-6 NLT