US spying on citizens

Maddogg6 · Mar 31, 2006, 12:06 AM

It seems our leaders think using this technology to spy on its citizens is more important than securing our borders that is suspected an entry point for 'terrorist' into our country.

http://news.com.com/Drone+aircraft+m...3-6055658.html

My question is WHY arent these drones used to patrol our borders instead?

How safe do you feel 'flying the friendly skies' with these un-manned A/C buzzing around?

SFOSOK · Mar 31, 2006, 03:44 AM

truthfully I don't really care. Can't get inside my home so privacy is saved. All it can see is what things are done outside which is mostly in the public.

What are you so afraid of? That the government may have you on a secret list for doing certain things publicly? That may be true, but I stopped caring a while ago, so what if I'm on a black list? There is no way they could storm my house and take me if they wanted to. I think some of you guys watch too many movies and make the government look more dramatic than it really seems.

When will it stop? when it truelly does start invading privacy.

So its either cameras everywhere or some more terrorist attacks. Your choice. Truthfully though the more we are attacked, the more we will bunker down and throw privacy out the window. Because when it really comes down to it, I tihnk we want to stay alive more than our dignity.

Also, all the complaining in the world will not help unless you take some action.

Some good words I thought of.

"Don't open your mouth unless your prepared to follow the words that come out."

Pompey · Mar 31, 2006, 03:56 AM

I am concerned about privacy but I don’t consider this to be an invasion of privacy.
Using the same logic, Google earth is an invasion of privacy, police helicopters looking for cannabis crops are an invasion of privacy.

Tapping phone lines with out the consent of the courts, that’s invasion of privacy.

So long as the laws are in place to protect civil liberties I don’t really se a problem with it.

Maddogg6 · Mar 31, 2006, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Death Flavor

truthfully I don't really care. Can't get inside my home so privacy is saved. All it can see is what things are done outside which is mostly in the public.

What are you so afraid of?

Im not affraid of anything....

Hmm - did you even read my post? - I made NO mention about privacy...

~~Alien1~~ · Mar 31, 2006, 05:34 AM

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USA spying on citizens

I have no doubts about it

And not only USA citizens but citizens from other countries and other high members too

We had found some strange "phone taps" here in several of DSLAMS in my country of one of our famous phone companies connected with our presidents phone and thousands of my country citizens phones

These was all over our TV news the next days and some believe that CIA is behind these

Even one USA ex Gongress member or something like that (i do not remember the name) recently stated in our media that it is the USA goverment hiding behind these action...

Shhhhhhh do not talk
THE "BIG BROTHER BUSH" IS WATCHING ALL OVER THE WORLD

Falstaff · Mar 31, 2006, 09:02 AM

I was briefly stationed at Ft Huachuca near Sierra Vista Az.
We patrol the border with drones, and we know where the corridors of traffic are..
The desert near Nogales and other border towns are littered with the bones of those that didnt make it across to America either abandoned by their family and friends, or a lonely death under a mesquite tree or busy, they rot in the blistering sun and freeze at night.
We flew predators, used balloons and even kept up NVG survilence of the border patrol, who by the way are completely overwhelmed by the flood of illegals swarming over the walls, across the rivers and in the trunks and under the floorboards of tractor trailers.
It is so damn easy to say we aught to build a wall, keep up armed patrols and corral illegal aliens when they attempt to cross, but it is a 24 an hour day job.
Mexican nationals are taking back the territory that their anscestors were forced off of less that 150 years ago as America expanded westward.
Dont get me wrong, we need to give all illegal aliens that qualify temporary status and tax the hell out of them just as we are being taxed
And hold American employers that depend on the constant influx of Mexican nationals to augment their labor force.
Nothing and absolutely nothing will be accomplished unless we address the hypocracy of that past 12 presidential administrations on both sides of the border.
Vincente Fox and Pres. Bush are discussing some alternatives now, but dont hold your breath, because while you all sit back in arm chairs, scratch your ass and testicles and shovel more popcorn into your faces...thousands of people desperately seeking a way out of overwhelming poverty, and probably passing you by in the night headed to all geographic points on the map that we refer to as Sanctuary cities, and I am sure you know which ones they are.
From the bottom line, making all who work in the U.S. pay a flat tax whether they are citizens or not should relieve the terribly burden on our infrastructure by illegal aliens...

Pompey · Apr 1, 2006, 04:36 AM

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Dont get me wrong, we need to give all illegal aliens that qualify temporary status and tax the hell out of them just as we are being taxed

I know its off topic but I cant believe Americans think they are highly taxed.

SFOSOK · Apr 1, 2006, 04:46 AM

well it depends, we have to fend for ourselves healthwise. How bout your country? What benefits do you get from your higher taxes?

I know England the gov takes care of it and from what I've heard its horrible compared to what we have. Though that may be completely wrong it is what I heard.

So hows things in New Zealand?

~~trodas~~ · Apr 1, 2006, 05:10 PM

Where the liberty and individual freedom go? There?

But hey, after all, the faschist state are ATM only spying on their citisens. Can't wait before they go on them THIS way, as they do with the anonymous Iraqi citisens. Probably all Al-Kaida suspects or whatever... Video feed from Predator, so, you get the idea:
https://freepressinternational.sslpowered.com/19.swf
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Falstaff · Apr 1, 2006, 11:21 PM

Isnt it Holland or Denmark that is giving everyone a free website? talk about spying..LOL

Pompey · Apr 2, 2006, 04:57 AM

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well it depends, we have to fend for ourselves healthwise. How bout your country? What benefits do you get from your higher taxes?

I know England the gov takes care of it and from what I've heard its horrible compared to what we have. Though that may be completely wrong it is what I heard.

So hows things in New Zealand?

What in particular?

Even though we have a left-wing government our taxes are still comparatively low.

I’ve heard that the English public education system is in a terrible shape, and have heard similar things about the NHS.
New Zealand has a "free" public education system, in effect its heavily subsidised. Parents usually have to pay a "donation" of $100 per student a year, the school cant make them pay it but most parents do. Most 'private' schools also receive state funding.
Its a similar story with our health system and both have received massive funding boosts.
-Student loans are now interest free (YAY!)
-The government is investing heavily in infrastructure (Its slowing because of the labour shortage)

If you really are interested, heres a link to working for families, the new package of benefits rolled out (this week I think) aimed at families. Its been bashed by the opposition as "middleclass welfare".

Can you tell which way I would have voted if I could?

If you really want to know the benefits of high taxes - ask someone is Sweden or Denmark.

~~trodas~~ · Apr 14, 2006, 01:46 PM

Back on topic - as we know now:
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70619-0.html
NSA has their Spy Rooms in all (hopefully not all) AT&T centrals. I quote:

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AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.

So, not to worry:

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Klein's job eventually included connecting internet circuits to a splitting cabinet that led to the secret room. During the course of that work, he learned from a co-worker that similar cabinets were being installed in other cities, including Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego.

"While doing my job, I learned that fiber optic cables from the secret room were tapping into the Worldnet (AT&T's internet service) circuits by splitting off a portion of the light signal," Klein wrote.

The split circuits included traffic from peering links connecting to other internet backbone providers, meaning that AT&T was also diverting traffic routed from its network to or from other domestic and international providers, according to Klein's statement.

The secret room also included data-mining equipment called a Narus STA 6400, "known to be used particularly by government intelligence agencies because of its ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets," according to Klein's statement.

our goverment, dear US of A citisens, surely know what's best for you