what do you guys think?

CDsDontBurn · Nov 4, 2004, 03:50 AM

Alright, i've had my rig for a couple of months already, and i'm not as happy as i thought i would be. what do you guys think about it?

i got an ABIT IC7-G MoBo, p4 3.2E, 1Gb corsair XMS 400, 6800GT, 1x36Gb raptor, 1x60Gb 7200 8Mb WD as back up, and a 19" envision CRT @ 1600x1200x75hz.

I've done some overclocking on my system, but i'm still not as happy as i thought i would have been when i got my system. I listened to everybody and everybody told me to get p4 cuz of the hyperthreading and everybody was like "hyperthreading is the best, can't live w/o it." Now this hyperthreading, is more like hyper-treading.

is there anything out there that anybody knows that i could use all the features of my system and make me happy?

refraction · Nov 4, 2004, 04:30 AM

your system should be fine as far as speed goes, altho i think your hard drives could be holding it back a bit. small hard drives usually means slow access.

get yourself a 120gb or higher (200gb is probably best idea) and run windows off that.

or try some system tweaks, get tweakxp and do all the P4 tweaks and do the "page kernel to memory" tweak, also stick your pagefile on your 2nd drive, hopefully that should speed things up a bit access wise.

but other than that your system should be pretty wicked.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 4, 2004, 05:22 AM

i have my raptor as my OS drive, and it doesn't boot up any faster than when i had my 40 8Mb WD as my OS drive. Load times are supposed to be faster w/raptors in a system, but i don't really see much of a difference.

refraction · Nov 4, 2004, 05:35 AM

40 & 60 gig wont be much different, but larger hard drives are definately faster. if you want shorter booting times use Driverheaven's TuneXP too and do ultra fast boot, takes about 20 mins cos it does a mini defrag, but it cut my time down from like 30 seconds to about 5-10

The_Neon_Cowboy · Nov 4, 2004, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

Alright, i've had my rig for a couple of months already, and i'm not as happy as i thought i would be. what do you guys think about it?

i got an ABIT IC7-G MoBo, p4 3.2E, 1Gb corsair XMS 400, 6800GT, 1x36Gb raptor, 1x60Gb 7200 8Mb WD as back up, and a 19" envision CRT @ 1600x1200x75hz.

I've done some overclocking on my system, but i'm still not as happy as i thought i would have been when i got my system. I listened to everybody and everybody told me to get p4 cuz of the hyperthreading and everybody was like "hyperthreading is the best, can't live w/o it." Now this hyperthreading, is more like hyper-treading.

is there anything out there that anybody knows that i could use all the features of my system and make me happy?

shoulda got an amd 64 + an x800xt pe

***Zardon*** · Nov 4, 2004, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

I listened to everybody and everybody told me to get p4 cuz of the hyperthreading and everybody was like "hyperthreading is the best, can't live w/o it." Now this hyperthreading, is more like hyper-treading

you been drinking? hyperthreading is great for multitasking - I see large gains with my EE rig over my FX rig with multiple pro apps open! if you only play games then the A64 should have been your choice. common knowledge. You also bought a system based on the prescott core which has deeper pipes and gives slower performance than the c northwood - more suited to encoding etc with the 512k extra cache.

drakesteakn · Nov 4, 2004, 09:50 AM

i have had both intel and AMD machines, i now stay to the A64 line, hyper threading never did nothing for me. i think u need to try tweaking ur system alot.

***Zardon*** · Nov 4, 2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by drakesteakn

i have had both intel and AMD machines, i now stay to the A64 line, hyper threading never did nothing for me. i think u need to try tweaking ur system alot.

People seem to be under this impression that hyperthreading will magically double frame rates in games.

Unless you do a lot of multitasking with apps you wont see much difference, if however you do, you will see gains. I for one see massive gains with professional apps and HT, kyle bennett at HOCP has said the same thing quite publically.

if you want a pure gaming machine get an FX processor.

drakesteakn · Nov 4, 2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

People seem to be under this impression that hyperthreading will magically double frame rates in games.

Unless you do a lot of multitasking with apps you wont see much difference, if however you do, you will see gains. I for one see massive gains with professional apps and HT, kyle bennett at HOCP has said the same thing quite publically.

if you want a pure gaming machine get an FX processor.

i was only using my computer for gamming and some office stuff. i never really needed the HT. yes its nice for those profesional apps, but i never used any of them. the only difference i saw was the Bryce 5 and other rendering programs that i use sometimes, for them HT does make a diference.

pr0digal jenius · Nov 4, 2004, 01:49 PM

yea, CDsDontBurn...what are you trying to use this system of yours for....if it's for gaming, try turnign HT off and you may find it'll overclock a little farther before coming unstable

but if it's for rendering video/3d/large graphics...your system should be haulign ass all over the place.

As Z said tho....the northwood core might give ya more oomph in gaming if you can get a northwood CPU in that mobo(dunno what it uses)

@/2ct!< · Nov 4, 2004, 07:25 PM

Medal Of HOnor Pacific Assault has some HT optimizations, no idea what they are though.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 5, 2004, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

you been drinking? hyperthreading is great for multitasking - I see large gains with my EE rig over my FX rig with multiple pro apps open! if you only play games then the A64 should have been your choice. common knowledge. You also bought a system based on the prescott core which has deeper pipes and gives slower performance than the c northwood - more suited to encoding etc with the 512k extra cache.

there's the problem, i don't multi task. It goes back to the old 500Mhz days when burning a CD and doing something else very simple would cause my CDs to skip often. Ever since then, i've never did more than two things at once really. I use my system mainly for gaming, and whatever school reports i gotta do, but other than that, i really don't have much more use for my system.

Prod., HT is a real drag for me. I don't really use it, and if i disable it, i'll lose some performance. Overclocking will get slightly better, but disabling HT and getting some higher clock speeds if you think about it, comes out to be about the same in performance.

Had my 9700pro not broken, and my previous board suddenly not died, i'd stil have my old set up. Now i'm thinking about upgrading again, but all the options i have are pretty expensive, and i can't afford it right now after i bought this system. Intel's are nice and all, but Intel doesn't float my boat the way AMD always did.

Shike · Nov 5, 2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

there's the problem, i don't multi task. It goes back to the old 500Mhz days when burning a CD and doing something else very simple would cause my CDs to skip often. Ever since then, i've never did more than two things at once really. I use my system mainly for gaming, and whatever school reports i gotta do, but other than that, i really don't have much more use for my system.

Prod., HT is a real drag for me. I don't really use it, and if i disable it, i'll lose some performance. Overclocking will get slightly better, but disabling HT and getting some higher clock speeds if you think about it, comes out to be about the same in performance.

Had my 9700pro not broken, and my previous board suddenly not died, i'd stil have my old set up. Now i'm thinking about upgrading again, but all the options i have are pretty expensive, and i can't afford it right now after i bought this system. Intel's are nice and all, but Intel doesn't float my boat the way AMD always did.

The fact is turning off HT and OCing higher will actually be quite different performance wise, as long as the OC goes up a bit. HT does not work in the majority of games. End of story, an OC will work in all games. This will indeed change performance.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 5, 2004, 11:53 AM

i didn't say it wouldn't degrade the quality of performance, i said it would change the way of performance is when HT is turned off.

mike2h · Nov 5, 2004, 11:56 AM

since when has turning of ht helped an oc? on my machine at least, that is not the case.
3.2 running at 3.9 is a healthy oc. if your system seems 'slow' i would look to tweaking/optimising than replacing anything. the hardware setup you have is very fast. not sure what it is you are wanting.
if you are wanting the fastest rig out there then pony up the $$. ifyou want to be able to play any games out there with high iq & more fr than it takes to play it comfortably then you are there. & then some. there are some good resource links to xp/bios optimisations on this website. look through them & pick the one that seems best to you. do not use multiple guides.
then enjoy your machine. that is a nice rig.