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Old Mar 14, 2004, 01:58 AM   #31
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tiss.... but i don't know how far he'll get with just the oil... and no additional cooling like cooling the oil itself.. or moving the oil...
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tiss.... but i don't know how far he'll get with just the oil... and no additional cooling like cooling the oil itself.. or moving the oil...
Well thats' dumb, the oil will just get hot. If it's not getting cooled, it's not even worth trying. I guess you could make some chicken wings in it after a few hours, cause it would get really hot.
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Old Mar 14, 2004, 02:29 AM   #33
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well considering... that all the parts he's using.... don't even need a heatsink really... slow ...SLOW rig....
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Isn't it just a bit silly to have a plastic tub or styrofoam container as your case? And have your PS and drives just lying about?
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Old Mar 14, 2004, 02:37 AM   #35
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Well thats' dumb, the oil will just get hot. If it's not getting cooled, it's not even worth trying. I guess you could make some chicken wings in it after a few hours, cause it would get really hot.
most people use modified, aircondtioner coils to keep the oils at freezein temps sub 32deg

but then alot of people who lest thier systems on and didn't watch for condensationbuild up to the point it started melting ended up with dead systems... watter goes stright down to the mobo

I've herd of people useing a sealed enclouse and put it in like a freezer this was a big fad while it laster it wen't boom, then wen't away just as fast....
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Old Mar 14, 2004, 03:00 AM   #36
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an air conditioner would be best.... it spits out dry air... if you keep the air completely dry. it'll be good
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The container would have to be perfectly sealed, and the oil circulated through a radiator at least, the system would have to be a pressurized system in a closed circuit, much like water cooling. The main problem I see is generating enough flow in the case, without ended up with "hot spots". Only way I can think of to over come this would be to use a round sealed case, with the oil being circulated in one direction, and the oil being extracted through the center, this would keep the hot spots to a minium, but PCI cards would still cause a problem. Other wise you could use a rectangle case with multiple pumps and radiators, as well as multiple lines in and out, flowing across the mother board.

The oil sounds good in theory and could work with specially made components. Also I am sure that some of you know that the coil on a car used to be filled with mineral oil, and would transmit as much as 43,000 volts to the spark plugs!!
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.....welll i'm thinking if i went out can got a cheaper "cooler" (for food) with a drain valve on the bottom....made mostly of styro foam.... along with a few low RPM fans that i could stick in that would be tough enough to move the oil around.... a peltlier ... i think it all work good.... what i do is mount the mobo and whatnot a good 4 maybe 5 inches from the bottom.... and see if i can put some kind of window in the side so that i can see the condensation drop to the bottom... and simply drain it...(me wonders if mounting it semi virtically would be best... with the pci cards and mobo vitical and the ports on the mobo and cards just about sticking out)
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i actually just have a thought of just submerging the entire case
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interesting idea, but I think that moving to Russia and keeping your PC case open and outdoors on -30 would be easier than all this Also, you wouldn't like to change your graphic card offten with that "oil rig" setup Also I think that mineral oil will get spoiled over time and start to stink awfull, then I see a "oil change" problem...Also you would have to tighten the CPU pretty hard, you dont wont oil (non conductive) to get between CPU's pins and contacts on mobo because you will lose CPU signal. This goes for every component that has contacts...
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I never knew that was an option to cooling. A bit on the messy side, but damn, mineral oil, who woulda thought.
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Old Mar 14, 2004, 02:40 PM   #42
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an air conditioner would be best.... it spits out dry air... if you keep the air completely dry. it'll be good
no the modfied coil, the cold side is partally submerged, some use pumps for added oil flow, say acoss the cpu or gpu....

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The main problem I see is generating enough flow in the case, without ended up with "hot spots".
as for hot spots? can't be that hot of a spot when most the liquid is 32 deg F or much less, it would be much better then any air cooled heat sink i'd think ... mabe up there with promethia

but think of the feaking mess?
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Old Mar 14, 2004, 04:24 PM   #43
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...well my buddy has his machine submerdged... and has been able to get high OC's... he has nothing at all that moves the oil around... just slapped the parts in the oil and powered up... his 2 voodoo 2's in SLI mode are 105mhz now (15mhz high... and 10mhz higher then with extra air cooling..)... he's now looking for a cheap solution to getting some extra cooling applied to the oil..
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this is simply the most radical solution ive seen that actually works. pictures anyone?
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Old Mar 20, 2004, 01:07 AM   #45
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... i'm trying to get a camera to head over to the guys place and take a few shots..... i'm right now looking to sell a few dozen parts i got here... and get a p2 or p3 mobo and cpu.... and put my AIW card in with 512mb of ram and a solid 40gb hardrive.... and submerge it.... the other guy i mentioned and i were talking about way to keep condensation and moisture from building up... using a TAP kind of idea at the bottom so whenever it start to fill up... just crank it on and let some of the water out... also he was going to pick up a little fridge... not sure if he decided to shove the whole thing in there or what.... ( i recommended he not do that..)
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awesome....keep us updated!!!
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Old Mar 20, 2004, 03:30 AM   #47
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.. a solid 40gb hardrive.... and submerge it....
Submerge a HD? I wouldn't do that...
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Old Mar 20, 2004, 05:37 AM   #48
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unless the HDD is totally sealed, which i think they may be, it will be totally screwed once the oil seeps in
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Yeah, plus theres' just no need to cool a HD like that- air works good enough I would think.
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...well my buddy has his machine submerdged... and has been able to get high OC's... he has nothing at all that moves the oil around... just slapped the parts in the oil and powered up... his 2 voodoo 2's in SLI mode are 105mhz now (15mhz high... and 10mhz higher then with extra air cooling..)... he's now looking for a cheap solution to getting some extra cooling applied to the oil..

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lol are u laughing at the age of this anceint powerhouse, when compared to you 4ghz machine?
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lol are u laughing at the age of this anceint powerhouse, when compared to you 4ghz machine?
no im not laughing at it. I just find it amusing people go to these extreme lengths to gain such a little overclock on old hardware. Those voodoo2s in sli mode where fantastic in their day, to go slopping oil on them is just insane to me. collectors items.

didnt mean to sound patronising, its been an interesting thread !
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I think for the price of the oil you could buy a faster video card-- But I think it was more of an experiment really. I'd have a really hard time putting anything PC hardware worth any money at all into a vat of oil..
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