Iria

Scientists who want to see how the moon has changed in the years since the Apollo missions will soon have the ability to do just that.
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Source: Geek Gestalt

mike2h

way cool. now we just have to wait for the bozos who think its all fake

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Judas

the possibility remains until proven...

course restored or enhanced or whatever older video could just put the nessesary video updates or to collaborate with what we already have today.

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mike2h

bozo #1 up to bat lol

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Judas

who's the bozo?

the one open to the possibility that nasa attempted to get things wrapped up and rushed through in order to appear to have beaten "russia" at the game with inferrior hardware?

Bozo for keeping an open mind to the possibility that some of what has been documented simply doesn't make any sense when intelligently compared to that of other factual evidence that suggests otherwise?

Bozo for not just accepting what was dished out to us on a silver plater?

Would you then suggest that what was written in the formal 9/11 investigation book was 100% fact and plausible? That the pancake suggestion was completely obviously the only thing that works when physics clearly dictates otherwise.

I'll remain on the fence with an open mind to any idea thank you, i'm not about to jump to either side without having hard evidence at my finger tips in which i can 100% know for a fact that it's true one way or another.

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mike2h

open mind. lol. bottom line- there were thousands of people involved in the moon missions. you saying that all of them have kept silent on the 'conspiracy'?
all the sillyness aside, with the amount & type of peeps that would have to be involved you & the other conspiracy 'types' want to believe that they carried this secret(a lot to their graves now) all these years? without a single one blurting it out? got to count some of their families in to. you are talking, astronauts, scientists, all sorts of techs, civilian engineers & contractors, etc. & not the same ones working on every mission. & it is still a 'secret' now. lmao.

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Judas

conspiracy...

no not all of them...... you can't get a peep out of Neil Armstrong let alone much from the others...... it's quite interesting what happened to neil armstrong after he basically left in a hurry.

There are countless people that were working in various levels of the projects that have spoken about it being a farce. Not only that, but some even high lvl people, some of the ones that orginally built the concepts and were around that blew the whistle only to get the kick and then stuffed with an apple.

It's not a secret, so much as contradictory information that has validity.

Spose you'd say that osama bidladen made those tapes and he's actually on those tapes stating he hit the twin towers right? Even though they've been officially stated to be fake and that osama is not responcible even by the FBI's own website as well as people that work there.

So maybe ask yourself this question perhaps.

If you knew that was is commonly accepted as the way it is was completely wrong, and you were told before hand that if you so much as made a peep that they wouldn't guarantee your families safety let alone your own, let alone your own life situation, would you chance having your families threatened just to say a few words? OR would you keep your lips sealed until there was enough of the population wanting answered that it wouldn't matter what you said, the threat would be pointless at this time.

As it's been documented, stated, countless time in the past, what was stated as fact by the governments, initially, has oventually been determined to be false and even admitted to being false by the government later.

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mike2h

please provide some links to these 'countless people'. some links to back up your other statements would be nice to.
& i dont mean links to conspiracy theory sites... something legit.
& i know you get confused/of track easily so please limit your response to the original subject.

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Judas

I have no interest in conspiracy theory, conspiracy fact is another matter.


And it won't matter what links i give to you, you've clearly already made up your mind what you've chosen to beleive. Reguardless of any link to any respectable website or person or employee's website or videos, you would likely call it conspiracy theory anyways. Don't be to lazy now either, there are countless avenues for you to do the research on it yourself.

And no, i don't view one side of the facts only, i've viewed dozens if not hundreds of videos that have attempted or have found loopholes or issues with each others facts or timelines or whatever.

So far the balance is in what you would call "conspiracy theorists" favor.

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Robert McClelland

If they landed on the moon how come nobody spoted with home made telescope lol? Just wondering if they found the flag on the moon?

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Judas

good question robert.... so far no clear answer.....

makes you wonder don't it?

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Stop It

Sorry, but you're missing one piece of the puzzle here (Many conspiracy theorists do): Russia.

The race to the Moon was not just a publicity stunt, it was a military show of force, if Russia (Who stood most to gain if they found that the Moon landings were faked) couldn't show the landings to be fake, I don't think that some half baked conspiracy theorists have much of a chance.

The space race epitomized the Cold War, the capability of the US to successfully ship what basically was a manned missile to to moon meant that it could easily ship it via orbit to any target in the Soviet Union, again, if it were fake, why did it mark a sea change in the course of the Cold War?

Edit: Oh, both China, India and the EU intend on manned missions to the Moon within the next decade, I'm sure any doubt over the legitimacy of the US landings will be cleared up then, until then, theorise away!

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mike2h

so from keeping your 'mind open' you are now at 'the balances..'
ill take your refusal to back up your statements to mean that you cant.
got wonder how they have been fooling all the people that have been studying all the samples brought back
you do know armstrong wasnt the only person to land on the moon. a lot of people seem to forget there was more than one moon landing...
& fwiw, i DID do research on the subject when that so-called documentary/expose came out a while back. found nothing compelling or based in fact to change my mind. did remind me of that documentary from way back- chariots of the gods. take some theories/suppositions, be a little inventive, then state it as fact, show some nice pics that can be interpreted(given the context of the film/book/whaever) several ways, & peeps will come a runnin'.

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mike2h

2 reasons- resolution & angle of viewpoint.
& stop it has made a very good point, assuming they land anywhere near where any of the apollo missions landed.

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Stop It

They don't need to land at the same point, I'm sure all 3 orbit the Moon first, taking epic resolution pictures on the way. The LZ isn't really relevant, and I'm sure each team would want a unique bit of the moon to land on!

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mike2h

good point! you would think that they will probably make it a point to try & get pix of previous landings.
& the 'unique landing' is why i questioned their choice of landing sites.
will be interesting. & think it is way cool thata other countries are heading into space. think it sucks that it is becoming less & less of a priority for the US.
current financial probs notwithstanding.

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Judas

you've completely missed my points..

yes the whole thing was a military show of force, you have any idea what the US did when they saw spudnick was a real object floating around up there, they realized they lost ground and were in serious trouble.

At the time of the whole thing, there was simply no doubt, everyone thinks that what they saw was the real thing. it's still possibly true that it may be exactly what we saw, but there is far to much evidence to blindly accept that it is without a doubt what they say it was.

yes in the coming years it will be interesting to find more facts to say one thing or the other.

But it suddenly sounds like you guys thought that i think that going to the moon or anywhere for that matter was impossible.

Quite to the contrary.

I was making the point that anything is possible, nothing is impossible. It's possible that the whole orginal landing is indeed what it is, or that it is possible that it isn't.

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Stop It

So basically you're saying sod all. Please, for the sake of my sanity, stop making glib comments about everything, especially on matters where your opinion quite frankly verges on the bizarre, thanks.

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swimtech

I saw it on TV in 1969 live - in glorious black on white on a RCA tube type color console. I think the video looked so bad they couldn't have faked it.

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mike2h

lol.

if you really think about the original subject of this post, it is pretty much proof that it happened in & of itself(not that i & 99.9% of people need any). unless you think they brought even more people in to fake some more stuff in furtherence of the evil conspiracy...

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Judas

if i kept to the robot routes that the school system presents and the only way to move forward (which is actually more reverse).... i would have just agreed with the majority.

So the suggestion to stop making posts that presents the need for someone to think vs letting other people think for them is a bad thing? Isn't presenting bizarre or the faint question productive?

Seriously if you think about it, with the train of mind that most of everyone is stuck in right now, we wouldn't have cars, planes, rockets, hell the wheel. Because at the time of those inceptions, it was bizarre, unaccepted, abnormal, presented change.

Take it as you want, everyone will have made the choice before they are presented with the option anyways.

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mike2h

u genearlly dont make poststhat mak other people think. you make posts that make people go 'wtf?'.

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Necrosis

Incoherent thought patterns.

Judas just tries too hard to sound intelligent, being "wordy" doesn't express to others you are smart.

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Judas

I don't have to sound or be smart for anyone else.... the more you concentrate of me rather then the topic on hand.. the more your focused on something that is meaningless.


It doesn't matter if i used stupid child speak or the vocabulary of a genius, you'd think it were stupid either way apparently.

Everyone needs a little "wtf" once in awhile.. it keeps true reality in checks if your willing.

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Necrosis

Woah buddy I'm not calling you stupid or what you say is stupid. You put so much in expressing yourself you don't think about how you do it. For example:

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mike2h

judas, you are not stupid, just out in left field. way out...

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Judas

thanks for clarifying

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mike2h

want to clarify something, i just got a neg rep(no biggie lol) saying that ' judas is a tool but come on'. i assume this is in reference to my post saying judas is out in left field.
i actually like judas. he did a great job on my sig & has posted some good stuff & given some good information. but anybody who pays attention to his posts also knows he does go out in the left field a lot. no if, ands, or buts about it. been adressed many times.
i have gotten irritated with judas a few times because of some of the silly crap he has posted. i get over it real quick. i think he is out there, but i wouldnt apply the term tool(or anything related) to him on a full time basis. maybe on a temp basis...
anyway, while i mostly disagree with judas, he does contribute something positive to this site & makes thing interesting. while there are times i wished he would go away, im glad he doesnt.

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Judas

hmmm.

like i said, the rep system can be abused..... but it's unpredictable to try and understand, specially with posts on the internet, hell even in person it's pretty much nearly impossible to truly understand what someone may be saying and what they are meaning.

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Necrosis

Don't feel bad I got it as well, but like I could give a rat's ass about rep. It's just a spineless person that can't make any remarks just hide behind the rep button.

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