Dawn Demo: Is ATI IQ really better, judge for yourself (56k BEWARE!)

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2003, 06:47 AM

Well we all know the recent article regarding the new OPENGL patch allowing the Dawn demo to run on ATI cards, for those of you who missed it, Dom posted it earlier here or you can head to the nice article that MrB put up on Rage3d over here.

I decided to install the demo and run the patch myself on my overclocked 9800 pro, set to 435 core and 800 ram levels, just so we could all see if you guys can tell the difference between Nvidia and ATI IQ. Is this just a myth that ATI IQ is better or can you really not tell the difference? Far be it for me to attempt to sway your views so ill let you judge for yourself.

Using HypersnapDX my tool of choice I set the Demo levels to 1600x1200 with 16 quality aniso and 4FSAA and took 4 screenshots of the demo running.

For the links head into the forum, click the "view article comments", but please be aware that this is NOT for dial up users they are really large jpeg files.

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2003, 06:48 AM

shuki · May 22, 2003, 07:07 AM

very nice pics Z! does anyone have any links to the pics from nvidia card? I'd like to pull up both and use alt-tab to see the side by side diff meself

Dom · May 22, 2003, 07:20 AM

Guys, you can download the nude patch here - 33 kb (Autor & idea: Corak, Uttar). Not sure if it'll work though.

Clockwork · May 22, 2003, 07:24 AM

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ATi 9700 Pro

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2003, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
Guys, you can download the nude patch here - 33 kb (Autor & idea: Corak, Uttar). Not sure if it'll work though.

yeah it works. kind of funny for 5 minutes, but it detracts from the quality of the demo !

Rayder · May 22, 2003, 07:50 AM

I take it won't run on an 8500 since it's not a DX9 card?

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2003, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rayder
I take it won't run on an 8500 since it's not a DX9 card?

Patch works with the following chipsets
R350 based cards
R300 based cards
RV350 based cards
M10 chipset

No_Style · May 22, 2003, 08:58 AM

I like the customizability of the demo. Since we're on the topic of using the "enemy"'s demos. Do ATI demos work on Nvidia cards?

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 22, 2003, 09:02 AM

ati's demos will not work on nvida cards and have be prgramed to detect what video card you useing then if it not ati it will not run....

Dom · May 22, 2003, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by No_Style
I like the customizability of the demo. Since we're on the topic of using the "enemy"'s demos. Do ATI demos work on Nvidia cards?

I'm sure there is a way to get them to, but I haven't heard about any.

Dom · May 22, 2003, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
ati's demos will not work on nvida cards and have be prgramed to detect what video card you useing then if it not ati it will not run....

See, that's what nVidia should of done in the first place. Wonder if they will rerelease it.

nForcer · May 22, 2003, 09:06 AM

Well I, personally, think Dawn looks a bit 'top heavy' but if thats all I can see wrong with the demo, then I could care less what anyone thinks about it. Its a freakin demo!!!

hellgate · May 22, 2003, 09:16 AM

Wow,
I tested Dawn Demo using my 9700 Pro.

It's great. Very high quality, when I watcing dawn demo on FX 5800.

Bambers · May 22, 2003, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
ati's demos will not work on nvida cards and have be prgramed to detect what video card you useing then if it not ati it will not run....

I'm sure ati said a while ago that their later demos (9700 onwards, possibly 8500 too) won't check for ati chips and will run providing the hardware supports the pixel shader level required. I know if I force my 8500 to only eg PS1.3 the demos give me a fairly generic, 'Ps1.4 supporting adapter needed to run the demo blah blah' nothing about an ati card needed to run the demo.

Anyone with an FX want to download some and try both 8500 and 9700 demos?

hitbob · May 22, 2003, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Guys, you can download the nude patch here - 33 kb (Autor & idea: Corak, Uttar). Not sure if it'll work though.

Can't you just rename fairy.exe to quake3.exe to get the same thing though?

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2003, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hitbob
Can't you just rename fairy.exe to quake3.exe to get the same thing though?

its slighty different, the nude patch removes all background information as well. so its basically a black background. the file naming keeps the background imagery.

Crazy Diamond · May 22, 2003, 10:43 AM

Hey, such anticipation dashed. When I try and run the demo - it comes back with "Dawn has encountered a problem and needs to close" dialog. Anybody else had this problem? I have a Sapphire Radeon 9700Pro with the latest catalyst. I've also extracted the opengl32.dll in the right place as instructed. help please!

hitbob · May 22, 2003, 10:46 AM

Did you put opengl32.dll in the bin folder?

Crazy Diamond · May 22, 2003, 10:48 AM

yeah. Trying to run the demo without it brings up a message saying I need an nvidia card, so it must be recognising the file when it is there

ClamKnuckle · May 22, 2003, 11:30 AM

to get this demo to run on an ATI based card. head over to http://www.rage3d.com/articles/atidawning/ and follow the instructions

p.s. rename dawn.exe to 3dmark2003.exe or quake3.exe

no nude patch required

edit: i really should read the thread before i post

CJintheUK · May 22, 2003, 09:00 PM

Anyone tried this with the Dusk demo??

scobywhru · May 22, 2003, 10:52 PM

on the site with the directions says it won't work with any other Demos

amuro · May 23, 2003, 12:35 AM

Quote:

on the site with the directions says it won't work with any other Demos

This is too bad as I was hoping that the Vulcan Demo could have been viewable on ATI cards.
I personaly think that the Vulcan demo is far more impressive than the Dawn demo.

BWX · May 24, 2003, 03:24 AM

The demo works for me, but when I try to run it at 6xAA and 16xAF it bugs out and fills the screen with all kinds of weird geometric shapes on my 9700pro- Anyone else see this with all settings maxed out in the driver control panel? I think it may have something to do with running out of video and or system memory or something.

Other than that it works great.

Blah Blah Blah · May 25, 2003, 02:29 AM

Oh poor me, I will have to wait for a real video card, which by a funny concidence will be a 9800 Pro

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 25, 2003, 08:46 PM

May 22, 2003, 06:47 AM	#1
*Zardon* enchanted Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 32,275 Rep Power: 3150	Dawn Demo: Is ATI IQ really better, judge for yourself (56k BEWARE!) Well we all know the recent article regarding the new OPENGL patch allowing the Dawn demo to run on ATI cards, for those of you who missed it, Dom posted it earlier here or you can head to the nice article that MrB put up on Rage3d over here. I decided to install the demo and run the patch myself on my overclocked 9800 pro, set to 435 core and 800 ram levels, just so we could all see if you guys can tell the difference between Nvidia and ATI IQ. Is this just a myth that ATI IQ is better or can you really not tell the difference? Far be it for me to attempt to sway your views so ill let you judge for yourself. Using HypersnapDX my tool of choice I set the Demo levels to 1600x1200 with 16 quality aniso and 4FSAA and took 4 screenshots of the demo running. For the links head into the forum, click the "view article comments", but please be aware that this is NOT for dial up users they are really large jpeg files.

May 22, 2003, 07:50 AM	#7
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,043 Rep Power: 51	I take it won't run on an 8500 since it's not a DX9 card? __________________

May 22, 2003, 08:58 AM	#9
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,049 Rep Power: 0	Great Demo. I like the customizability of the demo. Since we're on the topic of using the "enemy"'s demos. Do ATI demos work on Nvidia cards? __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

May 22, 2003, 09:02 AM	#10
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,135 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	ati's demos will not work on nvida cards and have be prgramed to detect what video card you useing then if it not ati it will not run.... __________________

May 22, 2003, 09:16 AM	#14
hellgate DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	Wow, I tested Dawn Demo using my 9700 Pro. It's great. Very high quality, when I watcing dawn demo on FX 5800. __________________ CPU : Pentium 4 3.06Ghz @ 3.8Ghz RAM : Geil DDR400 1024M MOBO : Gigabyte SINXP 1394 VGA : Radeon 9700 Pro Sound Card : Hercules GTXP 7.1 Keyboard : Logitech Freedom Optical Mouse : Logitech MX700 Cordless HBA : Adaptec 2940uw, Adaptec DP1554u2 SCSI Raid Controller HDD : Atlas IV 9.1 x 2 (Raid 0), Barracuda IV 60GB, WD30GB, Maxtor 40GB x2(Raid0), SyJet 1.5GB

May 22, 2003, 06:48 AM	#2
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May 22, 2003, 07:07 AM	#3
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	very nice pics Z! does anyone have any links to the pics from nvidia card? I'd like to pull up both and use alt-tab to see the side by side diff meself

May 22, 2003, 07:20 AM	#4
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,942 Rep Power: 0	Guys, you can download the nude patch here - 33 kb (Autor & idea: Corak, Uttar). Not sure if it'll work though.

May 22, 2003, 07:24 AM	#5
Clockwork DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	(Resized from 1280x1024) ATi 9700 Pro

May 22, 2003, 09:06 AM	#13
nForcer Twice the fun! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,404 Rep Power: 0	Well I, personally, think Dawn looks a bit 'top heavy' but if thats all I can see wrong with the demo, then I could care less what anyone thinks about it. Its a freakin demo!!!

May 22, 2003, 10:43 AM	#18
Crazy Diamond DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 87 Rep Power: 0	Hey, such anticipation dashed. When I try and run the demo - it comes back with "Dawn has encountered a problem and needs to close" dialog. Anybody else had this problem? I have a Sapphire Radeon 9700Pro with the latest catalyst. I've also extracted the opengl32.dll in the right place as instructed. help please!

May 22, 2003, 10:46 AM	#19
hitbob DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Did you put opengl32.dll in the bin folder?

May 22, 2003, 10:48 AM	#20
Crazy Diamond DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 87 Rep Power: 0	yeah. Trying to run the demo without it brings up a message saying I need an nvidia card, so it must be recognising the file when it is there

May 22, 2003, 11:30 AM	#21
ClamKnuckle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	to get this demo to run on an ATI based card. head over to http://www.rage3d.com/articles/atidawning/ and follow the instructions p.s. rename dawn.exe to 3dmark2003.exe or quake3.exe no nude patch required edit: i really should read the thread before i post

May 22, 2003, 09:00 PM	#22
CJintheUK DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Devon, England Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Anyone tried this with the Dusk demo??

May 22, 2003, 10:52 PM	#23
scobywhru DriverHeaven Senile Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Penthouse Basement Posts: 619 Rep Power: 0	on the site with the directions says it won't work with any other Demos __________________

May 24, 2003, 03:24 AM	#25
BWX Spinal Tapped Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,573 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	The demo works for me, but when I try to run it at 6xAA and 16xAF it bugs out and fills the screen with all kinds of weird geometric shapes on my 9700pro- Anyone else see this with all settings maxed out in the driver control panel? I think it may have something to do with running out of video and or system memory or something. Other than that it works great. __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

May 25, 2003, 02:29 AM	#26
Blah Blah Blah DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Oh poor me, I will have to wait for a real video card, which by a funny concidence will be a 9800 Pro __________________ Cheers, Blah Blah Blah

May 25, 2003, 08:46 PM	#27
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,135 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	__________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; May 26, 2003 at 01:31 AM.