Vikingod

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R600 HAS A secret weapon, an internal sound card. This is the one thing that Nvidia's G8x can't match, other than HDCP on dual-link HDMI.

The ATI sound implementation is not GPGPU code. It is dedicated silicon, probably brought on by the Vista DRM infection and MS twisting arms to force it on people.

In any case, R600 will be compliant with the Vista requirements and can send sound directly over a HDCP/HDMI link. We are told this is a full HD sound setup, not a cheesy 2.1 channel thing.

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BlueMak

By the time AMD releases the R600, nvidia will release the next generation. What is taking them so long?

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temeteus82

creative labs and realtek are going out of business then ??

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GutterPunk

Thats pretty dang cool!

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OmegaRED

Why can't AMD stick to making video cards and not throw in crap people aren't asking for, it's just gonna drive up the price and add more driver problems.

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Brutality

Hmm... I only have good feelings about it. Now i'm waiting for CPUs with integrated PSUs and chipsets with integrated HDD

RoyBatty

I think it's not impossible - maybe some SSD drive integrated on motherboard...

EDIT: That R600 integrated sound card is probably some Realtek codec:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38738

mkk

Any real news on the sound market is good news at this point. Hopefully they'll incorporate sound chips on most new card types and not reserve it just for the high end. It better be a relatively simple chip that just works, rather than something that tries to be too advanced. Only Creative Labs can afford to fail and still do well on the market.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

So long? you mean long as expected?have you guys that say this not been alive
the last 7 years? Nvidia releases a card 1st, ATI always fallows after that with of
course usually better in some way hardware. Usually it's 3-6 months, The time has \
shifted longer due to delays with the X1k series. That needed to be marketed or it
would have been suicidal to eat the R&D costs. It's business sense hard to fathom
for the average Joe. It all about the Benjamen's $$$.people get this over due sence
after you hear rumors of dates that come and go yet when the real ETA dates (unkown
to the public ) useally stand.


For one RS600 chipsets motherboard have already been shipping since march 7th
I know because I have one. They have X1250 integrated with a HDMI output. so value
OEM systems / laptops etc are already rool'in if not already in the stores.

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BlueMak

Let me put it in another way.
Vista DX10 is out. Nvidia (though with poor drivers) has graphics cards that support it for months now. AMD has nothing.

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RoyBatty

Great, now we need some DX10 games...

CDsDontBurn

ok, let me use my dx10 card system w/Vista installed, and play all thos dx10 based games [/sarcasm]

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Necrosis

K, so it has pass-thru so what? Also how much of the market will this actually effect? 1.2% come on I buy expensive video cards to play games on not media. Don't forget Nvidia already has a card w/ HDMI. Nice feature yes but honestly pretty useless unless you have a specific function for it.

CDsDontBurn

lol, my current ati card has VIVO, and i've never used it

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Necrosis

Hmm..maybe this is their way of saying sorry to all the AIW users. Hmm..built in dual digital HD tuner w/ HDMI output would be nice.

Vampyromaniac

Have you not been alive the last few months? The delays are not just in people's imaginations.

"Henri Richard: The R600 will be out in the second quarter. The reason we decided to delay the launch was that we wanted to have a complete DX10-enabled solution top to bottom. A lot of people wrote that the reason it is delayed is because of a problem with the silicon, but there is no problem with the silicon. We are demonstrating it. We can ship it today. But if you think about it, looking at where the market is at, the volumes are going to be in the R610 and R630, so it makes sense for us to do a one time launch of the entire family of DX10 enabled products. That meant delaying the R600 for a few weeks, but frankly it doesn't make a difference in the life cycle of the product and talking with our customers and partners, they felt that it would make a bigger impact with one full launch. So we decided to do that."

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kris23

gay!

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kris23

jeez these guys arent seeing the real picture here........ PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THIS PRODUCT TO LAUNCH!!! THE LONGER THEY WAIT TO PUT IT OUT THE LESS CUSTOMERS THEY WILL HAVE AND THE LESS MONEY THEY'LL MAKE...... PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR THIS CARD AND ALOT HAVE GIVEN UP AND GOTTEN A GEFORCE 8 SERIES CARD........... it is so stupid i swear

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technonerd

Guys, think a bit seeesh instead of just blowing your head off.

If you push too hard and make it release ASAP, would you rather dealing with shitting card. Yeah 8800 is nice but really I have to deal with countless of customer to fix the problem with Vista. I don't want to deal with problem when it comes to my computer. I for once glad that they postponed it so they can try to make their customer happy.

I rather not deal with broken card.

So quit being a baby and be patients.

BlueMak

It doesn't matter if there are any DX10 games out now or not. Nvidia keeps selling 8xxx series cards and AMD has nothing.

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CDsDontBurn

i find that statement to be nothing but BS. IMO, there's something wrong w/the card that they're trying to fix, and while fixing it, they will also have the low end and mid-range cards out.

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CDsDontBurn

yea true, but there's no point to it if it can't be taken advantage of.

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Judas

?

http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&GetDown=false

ATI HDMI Audio Device (Just added within the last 3 days)

It says it was there during the days of march.. but i'm DAMN sure that it didn't show up until recently because i had just done a complete fresh install of windows Vista x64 and downloaded the R1.66 HD realtek drivers and it was NOT there.

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OldBuzzard

As a former AIW owner, I'm not all that impressed.

They couldn't even get FM Stereo to work on the AIW X800XT's

Not to mention all the other hoops we (AIW owners) had to jump thru just to get the danged things to work(sometimes). Nothing wrong with the cards...it's just that the software (for lack of a better term) sucks.

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Judas

well this may all change.. none of the AIWs had a built in Sound chip...

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mike2h

so they r going to make peeps pay for something that 95% of users will never use? hopefully they have a gamers setup - without the 1/2 ass sound add on & have a aiw vers that has the sound for anybody that might want to use it.
hopefully adding this wasnt the reason they delayed the card, if so, several people should be fired.

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brutusmaximus

You know, this confuses me. What problems? I have been running a 8800GTX for 2 months without problems on Vista. There currently are NO problems except for SLI and nvidia just released a new offical driver for Vista which is brilliant. I think people need to get their heads out of the sand before spouting out 6 month old "problems" which are resolved.

Well the way the R600 is looking, it might in fact end up being just a "customer". The early articles i have seen are certainly not showing the R600 as anything special. I hear the top end cards don't even have a video accelerator for HD content. As for not wanting to deal with "Problems", if you seriously think any brand new high end hardware on a brand new just released operating system is going to run flawlessly then you really do need to get a console.

Its "Patience", patients are people you get in hospitals.

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brutusmaximus

The way I see it, Nvidia and Intel have AMD in a corner and have had for quite some time. "features" like this dumb sound add on are just gimmicks to try and do something the competitors aren't. Unfortunately for AMD there is a reason the competitors AREN'T doing this !

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BlueMak

I have a bad feeling that AMD (including ATI now) is planning on abandoning the "normal" desktop architecture and try to create (few years from now, a decade?) All In One cpu/motherboard/graphics card/soundcard/whatver and start making palmtops or mobile phones.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

brutusmaximus

Nice idea in theory, however if they wait years to do this while releasing a ton of substandard hardware with functionality no one wants in the market they are targeting they won't reach that point. They already have recorded huge losses, they need the R600 to be a success, and if any of you think for one minute all this stalling and delaying is just because they are internally making the products better you are more than likely going to be proved wrong. The delays are due to power consumption issues as well as other design problems. Perhaps I will be proved wrong when the reviews come up on tech sites shortly, however ill be waiting to read the DH review as throughout the last year they have been the most balanced, honest and informative of any tech site i have read. If a card sucks, you can be sure DH will mention it, regardless of whether it is nvidia or ATI.

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