[tastyweat]

German wines have got to be some of the strangest tasting wines i have ever had!!!

Some sweet... some dry (and some dry that are claimed to be sweet)... they all have the strangest concoction of fruity flavours in them

anyone agree?

[Ðamage™]

Originally Posted by tastyweat

German wines have got to be some of the strangest tasting wines i have ever had!!!

Some sweet... some dry (and some dry that are claimed to be sweet)... they all have the strangest concoction of fruity flavours in them

anyone agree?

I have to agree tasty, I love German wines and being German I fully appreciate the different tastes the different wines have. Niersteiner Spiegelberg Kabinett Artistica Blue Bottle, Niersteiner Riesling Kabinett, Burg Layer Schlosskapelle Kabinett, and my very favorite Bermersheimer Seilgarten Huxelrebe Beerenauslese Jubilee 2000. Now I think I'll take a driver to the liquor store heh.

[tastyweat]

hehe... yeah... i have found a taste for German wines myself... i like the variety and the differing from the normal (that's almost becoming bland)... except for the odd (expensive) french/south african/californian wine

[Stop It]

I've never tried any, have you got some reccomended ones?

[tastyweat]

The ones damage mentioned (that i've tried) are good ones... I'm drinking a really cheap Hock at the moment... was 2 quid for the bottle lol... cheapest bottle of wine i've ever bought... but quite nice none the less.

[dj_stick]

you're too young to drink

[tastyweat]

Originally Posted by dj_stick

you're too young to drink

your point being?

and only for another month and a half anyway

[Sandok]

Your fifteen? Or do you have to be 18 to drink wine? I'm 17 and drinking for a year!

[tastyweat]

Originally Posted by sandok

Your fifteen? Or do you have to be 18 to drink wine? I'm 17 and drinking for a year!

I'm 17, coming up to 18 in august. Been drinking since I was 14 lol

[Sandok]

Ahhh... Legally been drinking since last year! Started way earlier

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Never had german wine some wines are spiced and so forth I have a nice stash
of wine that has been setting for about 5 years now....

[mike2h]

german wines tend to taste 'different' to most people beacuase they are varietals that the average person is unfamiliar with. throw in the terroire & a slight diifference in winemaking philosophy & you end up with some very interesting wines. & some extremely good ones.

hey neon, i assume you are aware of this, but thought i would throw it out just case. most wines are NOT made to be layed up, especially those in the us. & if you are going to lay something up for more than 2-3 years it needs to be in a temp controlled enviroment. if you are shooting for more than 10 yrs then throw humidity into the mix.
what you got?

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally Posted by mike2h

german wines tend to taste 'different' to most people beacuase they are varietals that the average person is unfamiliar with. throw in the terroire & a slight diifference in winemaking philosophy & you end up with some very interesting wines. & some extremely good ones.

hey neon, i assume you are aware of this, but thought i would throw it out just case. most wines are NOT made to be layed up, especially those in the us. & if you are going to lay something up for more than 2-3 years it needs to be in a temp controlled enviroment. if you are shooting for more than 10 yrs then throw humidity into the mix.
what you got?

they been stored in a kitchen cubberd, as for temprature is always
72-75 DEG F in here I stand for nothig loss or i'm warm or cold...

the really cheap stuff no it won't age like the favlored wine "crap".
If they don't use a cork it nots real "wine" useally, cheesy none
the less. But the basic wines keep and the difference between a 1
year old and 5 year old table wine other then time less a little flavor
will keep and age...

Though it'd be a hell of alot better in barrels then in bottles
barreal ageing adds to the flavor. If I even get my self in the
money I'd like to try to do some home brews

I've thought of trying forign wines but it hard to tell whats good
with out tasteing, wich intels buying a bottle unless the winery is
near buy. There is one near here that decent they just dont do
any ageing. I'm can't afford to buy any new for a while anyways

I use some in cooking, some or drinking, If i don't like it for drinking
no problem can use most for verry tasty cooking regardless of it flavor.

one of my fav for drining is the "cheap stuff" I pick up at krogers once
in a while. wild vines blackberry merlot. I like useing it for dring and
marenadeing steaktips.

[mike2h]

if you are buying 'cheap' wines (& it sounds like you are) there is no reason to store them, they are made for immediate consumption. if yo uwant to keep them to have something around that is one thing but storing them like you are, even wines with good structure would not store well under those conditions.
you are basically making vinegar.
i have my own little system. i have a 24 bottle oak wine rack(6bottles by 4 rows) in the living room that i keep for immediate comsumption- nothing in it for more than 8-12 mths. top row is cabs, 2nd row is chardonnay, 3rd is row is various red varietals, & 4th row is various white varietals. in the back corner of my closte were it is always dark & the themp is a fairly consistent 72-74 i have stackable storage for another 24 bottles. here i keep favs that can improve with a couple of years laying up. this area is aslo used to supply the rack in the living room. next to this closet i have a temp controlled wine storage unit that holds approx 36 bottles(depends on shape & size). this is were i keep the long term - 7+ years- or wines that will improve with age in a 2-6 yrs but need to be in a 'controlled' enviroment.
what is really crazy, is this is about 1/2 of what i used to have. my cardioligist gave me some bad news 3 yrs ago. so i had to cut down on 'consumption' he wants me to stop completely but i am not willing to do that. i enjoy wine way to much(for my own good apparently). so cutting back was the compromise.

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally Posted by mike2h

if you are buying 'cheap' wines (& it sounds like you are) there is no reason to store them, they are made for immediate consumption. if yo uwant to keep them to have something around that is one thing but storing them like you are, even wines with good structure would not store well under those conditions.
you are basically making vinegar.

I know it should be colder it kinda why i'm slowly makeing my way threw it.
Should be kept at 50/55F but have no place that would work well...the temp
just slows the ageing process helps it keep. Used to be stored a little closer in
the high 60's

Not paying a boat load of money for proper refrigeration, I would if I could afford it
I used to be able to afford the $50-$200 wines

[mike2h]

you do not have to spend that much on wines. not even close. part of the fun of buying wine is picking out something in the $10 -25 range that has good structure & balance & laying it up so in a few years you are drinking a $30 -$50 wine. of course the problem is that everybody else is trying to do the same thing & this drives the price up. so you keep trying bottles looking for that next great buy
the only time i have spent over $50 on wine is buying port. i actually have 4 bottles of fonseca 94 that i got for $65 each that have more than doubled in price since i got them. these should sit for at least 10 years, preferably a lot longer(20+). but since i do not have proper storage for very long term i will probably have to pop one this year to see how they are doing.
60 is an acceptable temp. it is not just about slowing the aging process(assuming the wine has the capability to age 'gracefully' or even age at all without turning to vinegar). higher temps actually damage the wine.

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally Posted by mike2h

you do not have to spend that much on wines. not even close. part of the fun of buying wine is picking out something in the $10 -25 range that has good structure & balance & laying it up so in a few years you are drinking a $30 -$50 wine. of course the problem is that everybody else is trying to do the same thing & this drives the price up. so you keep trying bottles looking for that next great buy
the only time i have spent over $50 on wine is buying port. i actually have 4 bottles of fonseca 94 that i got for $65 each that have more than doubled in price since i got them. these should sit for at least 10 years, preferably a lot longer(20+). but since i do not have proper storage for very long term i will probably have to pop one this year to see how they are doing.
60 is an acceptable temp. it is not just about slowing the aging process(assuming the wine has the capability to age 'gracefully' or even age at all without turning to vinegar). higher temps actually damage the wine.

what i meant is I used to be able to buy anything I wanted now i'm on a tight budget

[mike2h]

i understood what you meant. just trying to be helpful know what you mean about the budget - it sucks!