I Was Banned From GURU3D!!!!!!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 15, 2004, 02:38 PM

Since i made my post here Omega GURU3D Drivers Patition

I was banned from guru 3D
What total bs!

I since that guru3d has a strong affilation with killersneak

I will never go there again
I will never reccomd guru3d to anyone ever again

I thought it was funy i'd never been on there before and they had allready banned my @hotmail acount
So I sighned up with my real ISP account and and mentioned in two threads related to compairison dna and omega and also asked why the site doesn't host Omegas?

the same thread on rage3d like were someone from guru 3d admits the they know thier copys of omegas work

I have lost all respect for guru3d an it's owner

Chaos · Jan 15, 2004, 02:48 PM

bummer dude

nothing there you can't see on a ton of other sites though

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 02:55 PM

Cowboy, you do not know the half of it.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 15, 2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by zerodamage
Cowboy, you do not know the half of it.

I email the site owner about it ... lets see what he says

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2004, 03:18 PM

Well, at least I have a pretty good idea of why I was recently banned there.

Don't you hate it when people can dish out stuff but can't take the same in reply?

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Jan 15, 2004, 03:19 PM

wow internet drama!

tek · Jan 15, 2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Sourcer_2002
wow internet drama!

LOL, stupid right? Dude worry about more important things, honestly... dont let that stupid internet shit mess with you.

Falstaff · Jan 15, 2004, 03:44 PM

mbeeston · Jan 15, 2004, 04:07 PM

thier loss

HsuGotaQ · Jan 15, 2004, 04:14 PM

This is really getting pathetic... man could someone Slashdot this issue and kill every god damn hate propagating servers...

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2004, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
This is really getting pathetic... man could someone Slashdot this issue and kill every god damn hate propagating servers...

Either that or I'm seriously getting tempted to start a "download and delete drivers!" movement to chew up Guru3d's bandwidth...

We could have a contest to see who can download and delete the most driver files in an hour or so, and the winner will get a prize.

HsuGotaQ · Jan 15, 2004, 04:19 PM

Damn good idea (and funny too) there Digi...

OMG... i tried to create and account on Guru3D and this is what I got

Quote:

vBulletin Message
Sorry. The administrator has banned your email address. To contact the administrator click here

This is freakin insane!!!!

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Either that or I'm seriously getting tempted to start a "download and delete drivers!" movement to chew up Guru3d's bandwidth...

We could have a contest to see who can download and delete the most driver files in an hour or so, and the winner will get a prize.

Lets not do that. We can not force them to change who or what they want to host there. It is their decision. If they wish to ban us from their site, then that is their decision. It is after all a private website, free speach isn't always guaranteed. It is their reputation for knowingly hosting the DNA drivers even though the owner of that site admitts Killersneak uses Omega's tweaks. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?&threadid=75912

It is their reputation, not ours.

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
Damn good idea (and funny too) there Digi...

OMG... i tried to create and account on Guru3D and this is what I got

This is freakin insane!!!!

Someone over on EB was telling me about the guy who banned me and how he's a bit of a fussy character...and I did get a bit extreme with him right from the get go. (Well, I only gave as well as I got though.

)

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by zerodamage
Lets not do that. We can not force them to change who or what they want to host there. It is their decision. If they wish to ban us from their site, then that is their decision. It is after all a private website, free speach isn't always guaranteed. It is their reputation for knowingly hosting the DNA drivers even though the owner of that site admitts Killersneak uses Omega's tweaks. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?&threadid=75912

It is their reputation, not ours.

I can't view the link you put up, they banned the entire range of my IP.

I'm not trying to force 'em to do a damned thing, I just want to hurt 'em! (I'm an ornery little bugger at times.

)

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 04:35 PM

Here,
I will post his post here so that those who are banned can read it. He ADMITS it in this post.

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Hilbert Hagedoorn - the GodFather
01-15-2004 | 07:16 AM
Joined us in Feb 2000
Location:
Posts: 3488

Statement regarding DNA drivers

Hey everyone,

The past day or two a rather large discussion broke loose on the web regarding Omega versus DNA drivers. My mailbox is flooding with questions and the forums are starting to get weird requests. Normally I tend not to get involved in these discussions as they pretty much are a waste of time and energy; however to not say a word would be downright wrong.

Omega and DNA drivers are modified ATI Catalyst drivers. What you are seeing are small registry hacks to improve or degrade image quality to get better performance or Image Quality. Next to that the Catalyst programmers often disable certain functions to ensure stability for example, such settings can be altered and enabled. Both Omega and KillerSneak (DNA) tweak drivers and release them as theirs.

As I can tell right now, Omega uses Catalyst drivers and tweaks them. DNA uses the Omega drivers and tweaks them. It's all about that last part, people get upset when they heard that DNA is using Omega's drivers. Personally I tend to believe this was the exact same reaction from ATI and NVIDIA when they first heard from Omega. So what KillerSneak is doing can be questioned.

What made me respond to this situation is that DriverHeaven, in specific Zardon is using every small bit to crush the DNA drivers, he's on a personal quest as it seems. For example they are using quote's that supposedly come from Guru3D.com staff members. Not true, not one of Guru3D.'s staff has made a comment on this situation as it's none of our business. Rest assure that if we post a reaction it'll come from me, not anyone else.

Zardon for example uses this quote: interesting quote from the guys at guru3d who host DNA drivers
"hey disco this is david from guru3d.com i told you once and i'll tell yah again: 3.10 catalyst best for you, and considering dna drivers are basically copies of omega drivers."

Zardon buddy., there is no David from Guru3D.com ... We have a forum user under that name though, which I expect wrote that. What I'm trying to say here is that in heated discussions like these people tend to overreact and take fact which aren't fact's for granted.

So, I don't like that DNA is using Omega's drivers, tweaks them and then redistributes them. But in a way it's the same what Omega is doing with Catalyst drivers. On the other hand, that's not our call.

Personally, I don't give a rats ass about pre-modded drivers. Catalysts are very mature drivers and if something needs to be tweaked I'll do it myself. However, drivers like Omega and DNA are very popular. People love them because they are pre-modded and can save time tweaking themselves.

Why does Guru3D.com host DNA's drivers and not Omega's you ask ? Simple, we can't do it all as hosting files in terms of bandwidth is extremely expensive. Since Omega drivers are widely supported we tend to give the smaller guys a chance. In this case it is DNA and for NVIDIA StarStorm.

A small tip to DriverHeaven: you are causing damage to the reputation of pre-tweaked drivers in general. Not only DNA but Omega and StarStorm are now subject of discussion, I already sensed hostility towards Starstorm drivers in our forums. So you need to wonder what you are accomplishing here. In the end any kind of negative response will give DNA-drivers more publicity.

This is something that both KillerSneak and Omega need to discuss with each other. This site is stepping away from the discussion, so should driverheaven as they took it personal.

Please remeber this: many multiple thousands of you enjoy using these modded drivers so for the time being we'll still support DNA drivers, but we'll monitor new developments closely as there definitely is a moral obligation to uphold.

HsuGotaQ · Jan 15, 2004, 04:39 PM

So then what can we do in a civilized way to get this guy to at least stop acting selfish?

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
So then what can we do in a civilized way to get this guy to at least stop acting selfish?

Suck up all his bandwidth in a non-stop orgy of downloading 'til he decides it's worth looking into WHY people are doing it?

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 04:48 PM

The best way is to leave him feedback in a polite manner. Anyone who wants to do this can visit their site or e-mail him. I believe you have an option dispite being banned. It will not do any good coming in here and complaining about being banned at guru3d if you were rude over there. I am not saying that YOU were, I am just saying in general.

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Suck up all his bandwidth in a non-stop orgy of downloading 'til he decides it's worth looking into WHY people are doing it?

That would not be a good idea. That could be considered a "Denial of Service" attack. Please do not encourage that here. Thanks

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2004, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
The best way is to leave him feedback in a polite manner. Anyone who wants to do this can visit their site or e-mail him. I believe you have an option dispite being banned. It will not do any good coming in here and complaining about being banned at guru3d if you were rude over there. I am not saying that YOU were, I am just saying in general.

Nope, if they ban you their entire forum is off limits to you.

On the brightside, I found the link to 3dm2k3 over at Guru3D and I THINK it's the biggest file they host. Anyone know of any bigger ones?

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 04:53 PM

If this can not stay on topic, I will have to close this. Please, nothing about DOS'ing their site. Thank You

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 15, 2004, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
The best way is to leave him feedback in a polite manner. Anyone who wants to do this can visit their site or e-mail him. I believe you have an option dispite being banned. It will not do any good coming in here and complaining about being banned at guru3d if you were rude over there. I am not saying that YOU were, I am just saying in general.

well they try to keep me from even coming you tell thats alfull bad of them...

how many site do you know of get people e-mail and the pre ban them so they can't even sighn up?

i say everyone sign up and get banned their
not banning just my ip there banning the hole ranges to ensure i can't come back with a new ip ules i come back with a totally diffrent one

so by banning me that banned a hole buch of people

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 15, 2004, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
If this can not stay on topic, I will have to close this. Please, nothing about DOS'ing their site. Thank You

thanks for not closeing the thread

all them seem to get closed recently
it is hard to dicuss in closed threads

thatpart of what is makeing this look alot bigger then it is

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
That would not be a good idea. That could be considered a "Denial of Service" attack. Please do not encourage that here. Thanks

really, i didn't know that that would considerd that....
if there is any possablity of getting in trouble it's a bad idea anyways...

Quote:

Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
So then what can we do in a civilized way to get this guy to at least stop acting selfish?

I'm sure if DNA would be mature about this a print on his site that he uses omegas work with out omegas permision and then ass omega this could all defuse it self...

insted dna clames every pice of his work is 100% his own orgional work,
when the most origanal work he did was download a set of omega's

it not the deed its the scandel that surrounds it that has us rouled up

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage

Hilbert Hagedoorn - the GodFather
01-15-2004 | 07:16 AM
Joined us in Feb 2000
Location:
Posts: 3488

Statement regarding DNA drivers

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As I can tell right now, Omega uses Catalyst drivers and tweaks them. DNA uses the Omega drivers and tweaks them. It's all about that last part, people get upset when they heard that DNA is using Omega's drivers. Personally I tend to believe this was the exact same reaction from ATI and NVIDIA when they first heard from Omega. So what KillerSneak is doing can be questioned.
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but some please wke this man up.... Omega has permision of ati and works closely with ati...

dna however despite the other imoral thing hes douing ...almost has a lawsuit on his hands and is something quite illegal removeing the origanal license agreement from ati's drivers...

id love to see ati sue killersneak

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 16, 2004, 12:38 AM

my email ... to him

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Is there a reason I was banned from you website?

Under his account I have never signed up or had any affilation with you site XXXXXX@hotmail.com
Like i was pre-banned someone not wanting me to come there or something.

I recently signed up to your forums under The_Neon_Cowboy and was banned I'd just like to know why

Quite qurious,
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

I got a responce!

Quote:

You are the one that started the petition right?

Thanks to you I have received emails in which people call me NAZI and and all kinds of stuff, all that for hosting some driver for free to people like yourself; quite frankly is not worth it for me so I stop it at the root. I'm sorry but if you acted in a mature way we would not have to take such drastic measures.

Kind regards,

Hilbert Hagedoorn - Chief Editor
Guru of 3D & HardwareGuru Websites

Contact Info - hilbert@guru3d.com
News, information & press-releases - news@guru3d.com

The Guru of 3D - http://www.Guru3D.com
The Hardware Guru - http://www.HardwareGuru.com

"Guru3D.com - We know ...

still desn't answer my question why was i pre banned? they searced around found my email adress and banned me before i ever went to thier forums..... so i can asume they were afraid of me or something?

this guy is defonatly pig headed...

***Zardon*** · Jan 16, 2004, 02:50 AM

The only communication i have had from guru3d specifically Hilbert has been several emails asking that I remove Neon cowboys petition thread while informing me of a public statement on his own forum insulting Driverheaven and myself for detailing facts about Killersneak and DNA drivers.
Seems quite illogical and somewhat unethical to me to be making demands for thread removal regarding a genuine petition from the public on another site while sending me a link in which this site is being insulted by the sender himself.

I for one have learned quite alot about the running of guru3d and the ethical standpoint of its leaders, who Ban members who fill in feedback via an offical site related feedback option with the reasoning given that other people have insulted the recipient. Quite an indication of how other matters will be handled.

Let me put it clear guys, you are wasting your time with guru3d and its management, they have no interest in hearing from the public regarding DNA drivers and the actions of the author, they have ALREADY admitted they are omega copies and the public admission to this fact speaks volumes, especially when they continue to be hosted. They are affiliated with Van Bruggen and they will continue to host them.

On another note I dont think its a good idea to be posting comments regarding dosing or leeching of bandwidth - thats getting into dangerous terrority and I cant let that be posted here, if you all feel strongly enough about the way this has been handled by Hilbert who seems to be on a personal quest to protect DNA drivers even after stating they are copies of others work ......... then the logicial course of action is to blacklist the site, dont use their forums and get your driver downloads elsewhere.

I also feel its time to end the continued debate of KS and his affiliates, we all know the ethical standpoint of these people and the way they act so we will all have a better understanding in the future.

I hope you dont mind I close this thread, but id like the off topic to return to normal, thank you.

Jan 15, 2004, 02:38 PM	#1
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,135 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	I Was Banned From GURU3D!!!!!! Since i made my post here Omega GURU3D Drivers Patition I was banned from guru 3D What total bs! I since that guru3d has a strong affilation with killersneak I will never go there again I will never reccomd guru3d to anyone ever again I thought it was funy i'd never been on there before and they had allready banned my @hotmail acount So I sighned up with my real ISP account and and mentioned in two threads related to compairison dna and omega and also asked why the site doesn't host Omegas? the same thread on rage3d like were someone from guru 3d admits the they know thier copys of omegas work I have lost all respect for guru3d an it's owner __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Jan 15, 2004 at 02:43 PM.

Jan 15, 2004, 02:48 PM	#2
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,176 Rep Power: 94 System Specs	bummer dude nothing there you can't see on a ton of other sites though __________________

Jan 15, 2004, 03:18 PM	#5
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,621 Rep Power: 0	Well, at least I have a pretty good idea of why I was recently banned there. Don't you hate it when people can dish out stuff but can't take the same in reply? __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 15, 2004, 03:44 PM	#8
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 18,134 Rep Power: 130	__________________ The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the scythe.

Jan 15, 2004, 04:07 PM	#9
mbeeston DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: alberta, canada (thats north of the usa people) Posts: 1,036 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	thier loss __________________ R.I.P Roadee - you will be missed T_T peace,love, and war... 3 things people look for... "if your going off the deep end, show off, do a cannon ball!" - me

Jan 15, 2004, 02:55 PM	#3
zerodamage DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,574 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Cowboy, you do not know the half of it.

Jan 15, 2004, 03:19 PM	#6
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	wow internet drama!

Jan 15, 2004, 04:14 PM	#10
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	This is really getting pathetic... man could someone Slashdot this issue and kill every god damn hate propagating servers...

Jan 15, 2004, 04:39 PM	#17
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	So then what can we do in a civilized way to get this guy to at least stop acting selfish?

Jan 15, 2004, 04:48 PM	#19
zerodamage DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,574 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	The best way is to leave him feedback in a polite manner. Anyone who wants to do this can visit their site or e-mail him. I believe you have an option dispite being banned. It will not do any good coming in here and complaining about being banned at guru3d if you were rude over there. I am not saying that YOU were, I am just saying in general.

Jan 15, 2004, 04:53 PM	#22
zerodamage DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,574 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	If this can not stay on topic, I will have to close this. Please, nothing about DOS'ing their site. Thank You

Jan 16, 2004, 02:50 AM	#26
*Zardon* enchanted Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 32,234 Rep Power: 3150	The only communication i have had from guru3d specifically Hilbert has been several emails asking that I remove Neon cowboys petition thread while informing me of a public statement on his own forum insulting Driverheaven and myself for detailing facts about Killersneak and DNA drivers. Seems quite illogical and somewhat unethical to me to be making demands for thread removal regarding a genuine petition from the public on another site while sending me a link in which this site is being insulted by the sender himself. I for one have learned quite alot about the running of guru3d and the ethical standpoint of its leaders, who Ban members who fill in feedback via an offical site related feedback option with the reasoning given that other people have insulted the recipient. Quite an indication of how other matters will be handled. Let me put it clear guys, you are wasting your time with guru3d and its management, they have no interest in hearing from the public regarding DNA drivers and the actions of the author, they have ALREADY admitted they are omega copies and the public admission to this fact speaks volumes, especially when they continue to be hosted. They are affiliated with Van Bruggen and they will continue to host them. On another note I dont think its a good idea to be posting comments regarding dosing or leeching of bandwidth - thats getting into dangerous terrority and I cant let that be posted here, if you all feel strongly enough about the way this has been handled by Hilbert who seems to be on a personal quest to protect DNA drivers even after stating they are copies of others work ......... then the logicial course of action is to blacklist the site, dont use their forums and get your driver downloads elsewhere. I also feel its time to end the continued debate of KS and his affiliates, we all know the ethical standpoint of these people and the way they act so we will all have a better understanding in the future. I hope you dont mind I close this thread, but id like the off topic to return to normal, thank you.