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Jun 24, 2008, 01:48 PM
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DH's Asteroids' Dominator
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I want to punch him.
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Jun 24, 2008, 02:47 PM
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Neighborhood screw up.
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You want to punch him because it's obvious, or because he's naive to think everyone has a LCD?
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Jun 24, 2008, 02:58 PM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
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And for the next article, a new revelation: in order to cut the emission of CO2, when you're not at work, your computer should be off, off, off! 
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Jun 24, 2008, 03:16 PM
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DH's Asteroids' Dominator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IEMC
You want to punch him because it's obvious, or because he's naive to think everyone has a LCD?
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Because he is wrong, wrong, wrong.
LCDs do suffer from a similar problem.
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Jun 24, 2008, 03:36 PM
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Neighborhood screw up.
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That too.
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Jun 24, 2008, 03:37 PM
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Driverheaven's Freerunner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMak
Because he is wrong, wrong, wrong.
LCDs do suffer from a similar problem.
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Basically these news writers get paid to write the most uninformed, biased crap you can possibly imagine.
That's why for people like us at DH with brains, it's an impossible job.
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Jun 24, 2008, 03:44 PM
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Frozen in Carbonite
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What if my computer equipment is all solar powered? Am I still emitting CO2? 
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Jun 24, 2008, 03:49 PM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
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Really? I've heard and read what he wrote several times (from tech savy sources). So what happens? Crystals get stuck in some position?
Anyway, turning your stuff off when you're not using it is an ok idea, but writing articles and and running campaigns (solely) dedicated to making people put monitors to standby instead of using screensavers makes me think that someone has too much time on one's hands.
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Jun 24, 2008, 04:04 PM
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Driverheaven's Freerunner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calidan
What if my computer equipment is all solar powered? Am I still emitting CO2? 
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Good luck playing Crysis 
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Jun 24, 2008, 04:31 PM
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DH's Dormant Dragon
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solar power is very powerful stuff
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Jun 24, 2008, 05:43 PM
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DH Administrator
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Location: Manchester, UK
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They don't suffer burn in, just image persistance... I'd love to know which Monkey coined that phrase when writing his marketing campaign for LCD's. No MORE BURN IN! yea right, I have a loverly black halo across the top of my monitor from my vista windows and a drop shadow at the bottom from the taskbar 
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Jun 24, 2008, 05:57 PM
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DH's Dormant Dragon
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exactly.. i've seen lcds that "burn in" they just don't appear as bad.. and typically don't happen often at all. Usually the ones i see do this are lower quality budget models...
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Jun 24, 2008, 06:04 PM
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DH's Asteroids' Dominator
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Mine was a 750 euro model and it had it too.
And it spread, it was nasty lol.
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Jun 24, 2008, 06:32 PM
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Neighborhood screw up.
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CRT's are hilarious with burn ins, though.
All of the monitors at my school have the login screen forever with them.
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Jun 24, 2008, 06:47 PM
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no holidays for Gaza
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Anyone seen a screensaver that acts by putting the screen in powersaving mode, that works with Vista? I'm using the basic Blank that I typically activate through the keyboard. but remember there being some screensaver years ago that forced actual powersaving mode. I can't just set the power saving setting to a low number of minutes because then Vista turns off the monitor even while playing video.
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Jun 24, 2008, 06:55 PM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mkk
I can't just set the power saving setting to a low number of minutes because then Vista turns off the monitor even while playing video.
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Shouldn't happen if you're using the right media player. WMP and new versions of MPC are both good for that.
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Jun 25, 2008, 05:16 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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The technical term for the "burn in" effect on LCDs is "Pixel Persistence" (or Image Persistence as craig noted), and I have it with my (when I bought it) $600 Viewsonic VP191b. It started happening within the last year, but mind you this monitor is going on 5 years old now. You can clean it out by filling your screen with a completely white image, and turning down the contrast and brightness. Just leave it for a while, and the pixels should reset, or turn off the monitor for a few hours will help too. It will, of course, come back, and over time the pixels will do this persistence thing a little quicker.
4 things I have noticed: 1) it doesn't matter whether you use DVI or D-Sub/VGA, it will still happen, and the image will still be there whether you switch from one to the other, 2) do not use a high contrast, sharp wallpaper, 3) do not set your monitors contrast and brightness too high, and 4) screen savers DO NOT help to prevent this, so technically the author was right about something.. indirectly. However, rather than turning your monitor off all the time (kinda stupid to turn your monitor off, get up for 10 mins or so just to come back and have to turn your monitor on again) is to set the power option in Windows to turn off the monitor after a set time. This way no image is being sent to the monitor, and the pixels are off the entire time.
Anyways, in a couple days I'll be buying a new Samsung 2253BW, so it won't be bothering me much anymore, and I'll probably take this Viewsonic to the store to use at one of the work benches. Even though this has started happening over the last year it's been a damn good monitor. Definitly worth every penny I paid for it.
Last edited by Tipstaff; Jun 25, 2008 at 05:27 AM.
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Jun 25, 2008, 05:30 AM
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DH's Latest Mac Convert
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipstaff
kinda stupid to turn your monitor off, get up for 10 mins or so just to come back and have to turn your monitor on again)
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i've actually gotten into a habit of doing this almsot every time i leave my studio - so i've got no issues there - does make sense on a power consumption/"green" point of view - but then my power hungry 8core machine probably negates that benefit...
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Jun 25, 2008, 08:12 AM
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DH's Asteroids' Dominator
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Unfortunately I don't have any photos of image persistence left (deleted), but here is something equaly as nice on my monitor (before LG replaced it under warranty) And yes, it was LCD.

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Jun 25, 2008, 10:43 PM
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Fell off the tech wagon
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I just have my monitor turn off after like 10mins of non use!
Much better than a screen saver!!
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Jun 26, 2008, 12:41 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Oh man, if you guys want a picture of pixel persistence, I'll be more than glad to post | |