My new (used) car.

[kris23]

92MPG

holy balls....... my sisters 08 camry is something like 30 i think...

where do i get cars like that? and do it run on diesel or unleaded.

[Dark Lord]

its a TDI, a turbo diesel.

[Dark Lord]

according to what ive found...

The Lupo 3L was a special-edition made with the intent of being the world's first car in series production consuming as little as 3 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres (78 miles per US gallon or 94 miles per Imperial gallon). To achieve this the 3L was significantly changed from the standard Lupo to include:

• 1.2 litre 3-cylinder diesel engine with turbocharger and direct injection (61 hp, 140 Nm)

now, being a gutless little 3 cylinder car, that 92mpg doesnt seem so far fetched. the 0-60 and 140mph top end on the other hand...

and more.
Fuel Economy: 79 mpg
Top Speed: 102 mph
0-60 mph: 14.5 seconds
Horsepower: 61
Drag Coefficient: .29
Curb Weight: 1,828 lbs
Seating Capacity: 4 adults
Classification: Sub-Compact
Powertrain: 1.2L L3 turbodiesel

sorry jeff, but those specs you posted just screamed BS so i had to verify it my self.

[Markius]

girls car

nah im just kidding mate, im sure the thing goes erm...hard

[Falstaff]

it goes like a bat out of hell, I had it to Cambridge and Ely yesterday and it started blowing out smoke from the exhaust, I had it towed to the dealer and he is very angry with me now for some reason, it made a terribly clattering noise before I pulled it over to the curb in Prickwillow. I am terribly disappointed really, the chap at the dealership said it is well within the thirty day window and has given me a much tamer Polo to drive for now. I was so disgusted I pulled off the custom shift knob in anger. I recall the smell was horrific as well. I dont think it is anything special, when they raised the hood at the dealership it looked like something burned on the engine and the lad at the desk said it didnt have any oil in it for reason or it didnt appear to. I am so bummed right now.
Honestly though, it isnt what he said it was supposed to be either. I am beginning to think this was a project car for one of the mechanics at the garage where I bought it. I dont know a damn thing about cars and I didnt know what to tell the guy, but it really made a bang when I opened it up on the A11 and just got worse driving it through town, my temperature gauge even stopped working. I can still hear it going TAK TAK TAK CHU CHUH CHUH...TAK TAK TAK TAK.....etc...
I think I killed it, oil was sprayed everywhere under the hood or something like it was smoking on the heat shield on the firewall.
A thousand pounds down the drain and I am afraid it will end up at the crusher like the Honda I wrecked last year...
why does this always happen to me?
The manager says he wont trust me with another car till they find out what happened to this one but I think I put it into the wrong gear because that is when the whole problem started to get worse.
I can still smell it even now.
I am soooo bummed, I thought I had a real gem. I didnt even get the back seats put back in yet or get the stereo installed, this is a disaster...
I should have got the old Merc and just did the manored gentry things.
first the Audi, then the Mercedes, then the Honda and now the VW.
Maybe I should just ride my bike for a few weeks till this gets sorted and stay off the dual carriageways.

edit: burned clutch, no oil, some kind of manifold gasket, seals and valve train problem, and something with the super charger or turbo too, its a goner I think. I have to go back to the dealer in the morning discuss terms with him and talk to the lad that sold it to me, he put it together and signed it off as good, they even did an "MOT" on it and paid the road tax too. the aircleaner or air ram or soemthing was clogged with oil or something too. I am just sick now and I am going to lay down...
if anyone wants it they tow it away for all I care...I have killed another car I think.

[Dark Lord]

probably the head gasket, which would explain the lack of oil. burning up a clutch though in that short of time... that takes some real doing unless it was bad when they sold it..


*wait a sec, a clutch? everything i read on this car said it was a clutchless 5 speed.

[Falstaff]

Originally Posted by Dark Lord

probably the head gasket, which would explain the lack of oil. burning up a clutch though in that short of time... that takes some real doing unless it was bad when they sold it..


*wait a sec, a clutch? everything i read on this car said it was a clutchless 5 speed.

what ever it is in the transmission I suppose, it didnt even have a carpet on in the inside but it defiinitely had a stick and pedal and brake and accelerater. I am afraid it is a horribly cobbled affair from the beginning. My neighbor and and a lovely polish lady as well says her husband can run the vin number at the AA website and determine just what this car is supposed to have and not have under the hood, but I feel like a rube now. I am not going to pay a thousand pounds a month for the next year on a car that doesnt run. I noticed right away it was a racing car with a throaty growl and lots of speed right out of the lot, but I havent even put 2 hundred miles on it and I blew it up because I didnt know what i was doing to the engine or the car. My nieghbor who owns and drives several cars said that lack of oil would account for most of my problems right away but that I should have noticed it the first day. I bloody well know I am naive about cars but the lads at the dealership offered me a customized audi TT or this car and I think I should have got the TT even though it was quite a bit more expensive. The TT looked nicer but it was quite a bit slower than the Lupo.
I might as well get a wobbly old mini cooper, which they had in abundance at the lot for 5 thousand quid and in good running order.
I just wish I had one of you car smart people with me when I go to the car lot again. I might go to Kings Lynn and see if I can get a Suburu WRX that has a rebuilt engine if this doesnt turn out.

If I give one of you guys the VIN number can you run it and tell me what it supposed to have under the hood? It might help because right now I really just want to arse the whole thing.

[Zardon]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

The TT looked nicer but it was quite a bit slower than the Lupo. .

Jeff you have got to be kidding me man. An Audi TT puts out over 225hp. the lupo is like 65hp. who is this dealer ? del boy motors or something?

If I had bought a car with no oil in it and the dealer said "I don't think ill trust you with another car". I would be on the news right now being bundled into a cop car with the dealer pinned to his dealership sign with a wrench shoved up his arse.

Oh yeah, if I didnt say it before, welcome to the wonderful world of english car dealers. bunch of conmen the lot of them.

[Falstaff]

Thanx Zardon, but the TT had really nice alloy wheels and paint and a decent stereo system but the dealer told me it was a flash car, and I would appreciate something a great deal faster. What do I know, I have been renting cars for over four years and I really fell in love with the AUDI A4 and A6 and even the old Mercedes but my neighbor said that Gordon Brown is going to pass a tax on gas guzzlers so I should get something smaller and more fun. The mini cooper was really fun to drive and I didnt take the TT out for a spin, but the Polo and Golf were very pretty with special tail lights and lovely interiors that were really pimped out. It really made up for the age of the cars too. I went to 5 way motors in Mildenhall and they pointed me to the used cars at the VW dealership. I even brought one of my American tuner friends with me and he approved of everything he saw on the lot, I even chose not to get anything with nitrous too because he said that it burns the engine up. What bothers me is that the car hads oil in it when we checked it, even the though the dip stick was low. The oil all over the engine and the front of the told me that something blew up under the hood. My argument is that the car isnt what they said it was and I am going to run the VIN and see if maybe it was over engineered rather than over driven. Either way, I am the butt of many jokes now because I have to get a ride to work all next week unless they let me have the Polo for another week from Mildenhire cars on their account, as for me if they gave it an MOT then it should have ran just fine for that, but I am beginning to think something is amiss. My friend told me that there should be a V5 document either in the car or they have to give it to me saying exactly how this car began life in 1999. What pissed me off is that I ordered a head liner, seat covers, and interior carpet for this car as well as the radio too. And even worse,there are other LUPO cars on the lot too in various states of repair and I am not about to buy one of them after this. I thought LUPO's, POLO's and Golfs and Foxes are all pretty reliable like AUDI and Mercedes but this diappoints me.
I have always trusted and took my cars to the dealers for all my warranty work but today I was just sick with disgust and anguish about this. I hate throwing money away on anything but I think this is going to cost me a great deal. My friend told me I might have to pay to have it sent to the crusher now, what next?
Please, anyone out there that knows anything about cars tell me that VW's are normally reliable because I cannot tell my father they mechanic about this or I will never live it down at home.
Any recommendations on a cheap german made car will made after 2000 will be seriously considered, I just have to drive to Ipswitch or Oxford to find an honest car dealer.

[Dark Lord]

if that llupo really was faster then the TT, theres a whole lot of fucked up going on in both cars. that TT will out run my vette. theres not a chance in hell a 1500lb car with a 61hp 1.2l 3 cylinder is going to touch that.

ANY lot that is selling a car with nitrous in it, i would run very quickly away from. that stuff is not for daily driving, but straight up drag racing.

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

I just wonder how those tiny cars handle a crash or major impact as they look like death traps on wheels.

Originally Posted by Falstaff

If I give one of you guys the VIN number can you run it and tell me what it supposed to have under the hood? It might help because right now I really just want to arse the whole thing.

Yea, I can try to look it up but just do a Google search there is a ton of
"VIN translation" sites out there.

I'm not sure how your laws are but would keep pressing you did nothing
that the car, and be demanding credit towards another car or a refund.

But then again I'm not sure what your laws are here in the US worse case
take I'd take them to court for selling you a "lemon".... Also maybe have an
independent mechanic look at it yo see what they say happened or is wrong.
If the dealer won't work with you.

[Falstaff]

You know, I am so disgusted, I feel like Tastyweat did when he wanted to get that Lagonda a couple of years ago. You take your friend to the dealer with you, preferably a mechanic that understands cars like my friend, he rebuilds and tunes japanese cars for a living and sold me on the idea of getting something simple and fast for fun. I took a risk but he checked it out and I only spent a thousand pounds to drive it off the lot for some real fun, and it delivered for two whole days. I drove his WRX up and down the B roads and I really enjoyed myself. Now it seems that anything that somebody customizes is going to blow up eventually so now I am going to have to back to a dealer and throw down my credit card again and get another car. If the MOT is supposed to find something wrong with a car why didnt the MOT on this car find anything wrong. It is patently obvious to me that I am going to have to understand a great deal more about older cars or just go to the showroom and drive one off the carpet instead of trying to make an educated guess. I have a wedding to pay for in August and I thought I could find a real prize but now I am rather concerned that any used car is going to just send me to garage hell now.
There is an old Mercedes Station wagon wtih 91k on it sitting on a dirty lot in Brandon and I think I will just take a cab down to the train station and look at it. I think I am too old for tuners, toyotas, Audi's and Mini coopers, I am hanging up my spurs for something more sedate, refined and slow.
Perhaps I was destined for the Chelsea Tractors as my girlfriend said, and leave the tuner cars to you lads.
I have always trusted the dealer or mechanic implicitely but now I wonder if my faith was misplaced. I always believed that people are generally good, kind and possess a moral compass that I can detect or understand, but I think my instincts have fail me, I know my lack of knowlege certainly has.
This whole matter has given me a headache and a stomach ache too, and I cant get the smell out of my skin or my nostrils.

[Dark Lord]

id never touch a car thats had custom work done to it by some one other then me, or a world renowned shop. its just asking for a whole hell of alot of trouble.

[Falstaff]

You know, if Zardon or Veridian 3 told me that they had built the best system in the world and nobody would touch it, and gave me a good price, I would buy it. I would drop 5000 dollars easy on a system because I can trust them by virtue of their reputation and their knowlege of computers. I am bascially a consumer and I dont pretend to be a mechanic or a real tech savy person, I believe in DH and I believe that they would not decieve me so I trust them.
If I have a friend that tells me that car has everything advertised under the hood and it delivers performance and fun then I will take it for a test drive of course, and probably buy it based on an experts recommendation, especially when that person builds their own engines and cars.
I absolutely trust that somehow I will get a fair price or good service or I will just leave. But I am beginning to suspect that my friend and the dealership are in cahoots with each other or my friend did something to the engine to mess it up. He looked at it yesterday and took it to have it MOT'd but he denies doing anything to the car at all.
As for the VIN number, the car began as a normally aspirated (his words) 1.4 liter petrol powered car before it was substantially modified. I am sorry if I mislead anyone because I thought it was the very car that believe it was, but I was pretty dumb. Look, ask me about the kidneys, drug interactions, bone growth or lung transplants and immuno therapy and I am your man, I teach doctors and nurse how to use portable xray equipment, document in medical software and equiipment for handicapped people to use in their day to day lives, I understand mechanical lawas an physics. If you say that my car has an intercooler, turbo charger and a gate to control engine combustion with a computer, I am with you, but I dont know what the hell that is supposed to look like or how to "dyno" that or test it. I cant even remember the formula to calculate break horsepower based on weight and torque, etc. But I undstand the human body, and I love computers right. But cars and salesmen are just a weakness I think.
So Zardon or Veridan 3, if you want to sell me a great system you built yourself, I am your huckleberry, but I think I will leave cars to my valet and have he or the maid pick them out for me because I am failure at such things.
This whole subject makes my chest hurt so I am giving up for tonight, I am taking a bath and washing myself of this, taking my blood pressure medication, and lying down, sorry if I troubled anyone about this, goodnight.

[Zardon]

Educated assumptions to this point:

you said the Lupo was faster but you never drove the Audi TT. so therefore the dealer must have told you this, he was quite blatantly lying. why? Im guessing to fob off a dummy car to an american. Unfortunately this happens and I know a lot of dealerships in england see foreigners as easy bait.

What you need to do Jeff, is go to another dealer (try and talk to people you know who are trustworthy to find a reputable dealer in your area, there will be a few). explain the situation, pay them to pick the lupo up. get it checked out and find out what happened. if the original dealer sold you a dodgy car then you have a good case to take further action.

Don't bend over and take it. Kick back.