Nvidia threatens NGOHQ over ForceWare Distribution

Erroneus · Jul 5, 2007, 05:45 AM

Source: NGOHQ
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NGOHQ has recieved a letter from Nvidia asking them to stop distributing the modified NGO forceware drivers within two weeks or else Nvidia will be "forced" to take further actions.

Nick0323 · Jul 5, 2007, 06:11 AM

Well lets hope that AMD don't take any actions out against OmegaBoy otherwise he'll see the end of his donations and will have to get a real job rofl.

Omega this also means that you don't or can't restart doing NVIDIA drivers again!

Erroneus · Jul 5, 2007, 07:45 AM

I doubt AMD would start doing such a thing, ATI has always been supportive of custom drivers.

I think it's a lame move by Nvidia, their drivers has sucked hard lately and specially on Vista they have been having big problems in the last year.

mkk · Jul 5, 2007, 01:29 PM

By the looks of the posted letter it seems like nVidia are to be going after all distributors of modified packages too...

Lol, they even made squall_leonhart unhappy, now they're in trouble.

Brutality · Jul 5, 2007, 02:49 PM

It's just sad when big firms find out that someone is doing something better than they do...

**Vikingod** · Jul 5, 2007, 03:09 PM

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It's just sad when big firms find out that someone is doing something better than they do...

I'm not so sure that is the case here.

Erroneus · Jul 5, 2007, 04:44 PM

Reply: http://www.ngohq.com/news/11386-our-...se-nvidia.html

Not that I'm a big fan of NGO, but thats a well written reply and Nvidia is way out of line here.

BillyTheKid · Jul 5, 2007, 04:56 PM

whats this I see? drama on NGOHQ? damn I thought they had written an editorial there for a change.

brutusmaximus · Jul 5, 2007, 04:59 PM

Does this site actually do anything apart from get involved in drama? If anyone knows a boolean Vbulletin thread blocker based on words, let me know, drop me a PM.

>GSXR<mrbusa · Jul 5, 2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brutusmaximus

Does this site actually do anything apart from get involved in drama? If anyone knows a boolean Vbulletin thread blocker based on words, let me know, drop me a PM.

Say what? What site?

brutusmaximus · Jul 5, 2007, 05:33 PM

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Say what? What site?

NGOHQ. I mean Nvidia clearly aren't aware they are dealing with Squall Leonhart - Wielder of Lionheart. He is going to pool money from end users to take Nvidia to court "AND WIN" (in caps). After they deal with AMD's CEO of course from last week. Im expecting Bill Gates is on the hit list next week.

It is clear that Nvidia don't really like NGOHQ, as they are apparently the only site to receive this letter. Perhaps it is a quality control issue over modded drivers?, the last time I installed a NGOHQ nvidia driver it hosed my system. Maybe they have been getting reports on these on a wide alert level?

Brutality · Jul 5, 2007, 06:18 PM

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NGOHQ. I mean Nvidia clearly aren't aware they are dealing with Squall Leonhart - Wielder of Lionheart. He is going to pool money from end users to take Nvidia to court "AND WIN" (in caps). After they deal with AMD's CEO of course from last week. Im expecting Bill Gates is on the hit list next week.

It is clear that Nvidia don't really like NGOHQ, as they are apparently the only site to receive this letter. Perhaps it is a quality control issue over modded drivers?, the last time I installed a NGOHQ nvidia driver it hosed my system. Maybe they have been getting reports on these on a wide alert level?

Are you some kind of a Nvidia's forumwhore who's supposed to badmouth a chosen subject all the time? It seems that at the moment the chosen subject seems to be NGOHQ.com. What has the Regeneration ever done to you? Just, shut up, aight? You can clear your differences in Private Message if you need to do so.

brutusmaximus · Jul 5, 2007, 06:40 PM

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Are you some kind of a Nvidia's forumwhore who's supposed to badmouth a chosen subject all the time?

No I am a user on Driver Heaven who feels that NGOHQ are out to get attention with front page posts talking about AMD CEO's and now posting emails from Nvidia. Is there something wrong with me having this opinion?

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It seems that at the moment the chosen subject seems to be NGOHQ.com.

Well thats fine, but what if a Driver Heaven member doesn't really want to read about NGOHQ drama on the front page of OUR site? Surely i am allowed a view on this?

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What has the Regeneration ever done to you? Just, shut up, aight? You can clear your differences in Private Message if you need to do so.

Regeneration has done nothing to me, I don't even know the guy? I don't like his politics or his drivers, or the way he conducts his site and the fact these forums seem to be more active with NGOHQ drama than their own are. Why would I PM regeneration? i have no desire to speak with him, and as far as I know Driver Heaven allow free speech, if it is respectful and within the site rules. Therefore if I wish to comment on NGOHQ within the threads the news team feel should be here, I will exercise that right. Well until someone like Craig or Zardon tell me not to do so, then I will ask them why they seem to supporting a "tech site" borderlining on an online version of Oprah Winfrey.

Isn't telling someone to "shut up" outside site rules? Not very respectful way to speak to a fellow DH forum go'er, so I think you might need to chill a little. Seems to be everyone is very hostile when anything is mentioned against this NGO site. If this place is so great well why not remain over there? always seems to be plenty of flaming on the front page and drama. I come to Driver Heaven to debate and read about technology. Hopefully im not in the minority.

BlueMak · Jul 5, 2007, 06:49 PM

Well, I have used their drivers only once a couple of years ago, didn't have any problem with them, quite good IIRC.
I don't know why NVidia is going after them. I can't imagine that their drivers are now that bad that they make Nvidia look bad or something.

As for Brutus, I don't agree with his attitude towards NGOHQ.com but, telling him to shut up sounds ever more stupid.

**Iria** · Jul 5, 2007, 06:55 PM

Hey guys, let's tone it down and get back on topic. This story is interesting to me but we definitely don't need to get hot under the collar about it.

brutusmaximus · Jul 5, 2007, 07:07 PM

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Hey guys, let's tone it down and get back on topic. This story is interesting to me but we definitely don't need to get hot under the collar about it.

The only reason its interesting is to get people on these forums to bitch about how awful nvidia are and how they are stomping on the "little guys". I don't believe this for one second. If other respectable sites like Driver Heaven aren't getting legal letters, then it is clearly a problem Nvidia have with NGOHQ either on an ethical level or a driver quality level. As I have said, it is clear to me that nvidia are well within their rights to exercise some control over this if they feel its necessary, after all the more educated among us have seen just how poorly NGOHQ conduct themselves within this community. It seems every other word is "lawsuit" on one level or another. I also think their drivers are poor.

To be perfectly honest, I am sick of these threads, they are lowering the tone of this forum section and causing huge debates over stupid content which is neither newsworthy or interesting to debate about. If NGO had any dignity they would deal with this matter behind closed doors and resolve it professionally with Nvidia, rather than posting emails and ranting about it with the most ludicrous, long winded (mispelt) retorts I have ever seen, then getting high profile sites like Driver Heaven to spam it as news - so they can GET HITS! hey, how about these guys write editorials to get hits or review hardware. Oh yeah thats right Nvidia won't "let" them get any hardware either. What a lot of attention seeking rubbish.

I am sending Zardon an email directly because I think this is appalling and as a member on this site I don't think the moderators are handling these threads correctly at all.

REGENERATION · Jul 5, 2007, 07:21 PM

Eh, more Anti-Regeneration Bias. You gotta love that guy

For your information, Nvidia has sent legal threats to DH, OmegaDrivers, Guru3D, LapTopVideo2Go, TechpowerUp and many other sites too in the past. We would like to deal it with Nvidia under closed doors, but they refused, so we had to take the other way.

brutusmaximus, if you have problems against me, you can show it in PMs, you don't need to to trash every thread that include ("NGO") letters in it, and to turn it into another flamezone thread.

Nvidia is making good hardware, I can agree with it. But when it comes to PR, they are total failure. I don’t remember ATI spreading legal threats like that.

brutusmaximus · Jul 5, 2007, 07:36 PM

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Eh, more Anti-Regeneration Bias. You gotta love that guy

I think you need to get the ability to understand, the difference between you as a person, and the fact you run a site. I have not called you names, or told you to shut up. Im sure you are a nice guy with the greatest intentions, seems to be you have quite the fan club on driver heaven.

I merely do not like your sites drivers or content, in fact I don't think i have ever read a good review on NGOHQ which didnt show extreme bias to ATI. I also think you are out to damage Nvidia by whatever means you can, however posting legal letters and your retorts? Is this really the way to repair a relationship with any company. Are you really that niave to think this is the way to get the word out that your site is professional and will review their hardware in a fair manner? What are you attemping to achieve by this? Embarassing them into suddenly contacting all these "companies" you say they have in some bizarre attempt to blacklist you from reviewing their hardware? You think this will change after your outbursts today? or will it in fact make it better for you? If you feel im flaming you personally then you need to understand im not. You are NOT NGOHQ. When I say I don't like your site and its standards, it doesnt mean ive just called you foul names on a forum.

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For your information, Nvidia has sent legal threats to DH, OmegaDrivers, Guru3D, LapTopVideo2Go, TechpowerUp and many other sites too in the past. We would like to deal it with Nvidia under closed doors, but they refused, so we had to take the other way.

They refused to what exactly? stop asking you to remove their drivers from your site? why is that? have you caused hosed operating systems and they are protecting their customers? I know for a fact your drivers wrecked one of my systems so im not so sure they are great. I don't think your conduct in posting their email to you and a hugely mispelt and uninformed retort on your site is the ideal why to go about getting your point across.

Or would you rather everyone on DH just posted a quick little "OMG nvidia are awful, go get em NGOHQ!!!". That won't be happening, until I start seeing some good editorially unbiased content and reviews from you, rather than company flaming and attention seeking posting on your front page. Which incidentally I only read on DH, even though I don't want to.

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brutusmaximus, if you have problems against me, you can show it in PMs, you don't need to to trash every thread that include ("NGO") letters in it, and to turn it into another flamezone thread.

Since when. and let me make this perfectly clear, did saying that I don't like NGOHQ and your ethical stance and viewpoints and the way you handle your affairs, turn into me calling you names? I have absolutely no desire to communicate with you on a personal level. im addressing your site, not you, so make sure you know this in future before attempting to report me to the staff here.

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Nvidia is making good hardware, I can agree with it. But when it comes to PR, they are total failure. I don’t remember ATI spreading legal threats like that.

Really? as far as I remember ATI threatened a few sites with legal action over MMC being leaked, and driver leaks many years ago. I think everyone needs to be aware that drivers are in fact owned on many levels by the company who make them. You quoting law in israel doesn't change a thing.

Anyway, ive made my point now to Zardon in email, and hopefully in future we can keep this crap off the front page.

REGENERATION · Jul 5, 2007, 07:49 PM

'idiot from the east' is not a name?

Can you see any bias in this review?

***Zardon*** · Jul 5, 2007, 07:53 PM

These NGO threads are frequently becoming a pain in my ass guys. im busy and im getting emails and complaints about them and the mods aren't sure what to do, as no one is breaking rules (I definitely do NOT want to see people telling others to "shut up" in future however)........ They are also nearly all turning into bitchfests which while acceptable on many forums is not the kind of content I want to see on DH. I hate handing out warnings and treating people like kids so I am closing this thread.