8800gts or 8800gtx

tEiS · Dec 17, 2006, 11:53 PM

hello,

we all know that nvidia's new G80 cards kicks massivly..

i had a small system upgrade, new board, new cpu n stuff.

and have chosen a new gfx card.. first i wanted to pick evga's
8800gtx but then, after some asking in some irc chans
i got told not to go for a gtx as it just will bottleneck the cpu.

so i ordered a 8800gts .. but now, after i stepped over a
forum where they discuse the Adrienne nVidia demo,
all of them use a 8800gtx, only one had a 8800gts.

so what's the big difference of these two cards
and does the 8800gtx have alot of advantage upon
the 8800gts ??

sorry for my english ..

thanks in advance!

fobis · Dec 18, 2006, 12:19 AM

I don't know who told you that the 8800GTX would bottleneck the CPU... It's the other way around: the CPU will be the bottleneck of the system.
As for 8800GTS vs GTX...
GTS:
Core clock 500MHz
Stream Processors 96
Memory Clock 1600MHz(effective)
Memory Size 640MB
Memory Interface 320-bit
Memory Type GDDR3

GTX:
Core clock 575MHz
Stream Processors 128
Memory Clock 1800MHz(effective)
Memory Size 768MB
Memory Interface 384-bit
Memory Type GDDR3

The GTX is the better card all-around, but the GTS will get you by.

zaim · Dec 18, 2006, 12:49 AM

it's the other way around.. the cpu will bottleneck the GTX.

if you're running an AMD system, a GTS will suffice for your needs, as you'll most likely only gain a 5% performance gain with a GTX.

if you're running an Intel Core2 system, it will give you a boost in performance, and overclocking it to above 3ghz, will remove most or even all of the bottleneck =)

ViRuS2k · Dec 18, 2006, 01:50 AM

GTS vs GTX

for a GTS to be at GTX levels then it would have to be overclocked to 650/950 and even then a stock GTX will beat it in most games..

that just shows you the power the GTX has over the GTS

its about 25% - 40% more in power compaired to the GTS

and thats only in DX9 games, it will be a much bigger gap when DX10 games get released as all stream Processors and the bigged memory interface will be used when those things come out.

~~hackerx~~ · Dec 18, 2006, 04:37 AM

If u rather save some money go for the GTS.U'll still be able to run games with all IQ and AA turned up but u'll have a relatively smaller hole in your wallet.
But if u got money to spend and want to play dx10 games in all their glory when they come out get the 8800 gtx.Although depending on your resolution your cpu can/will be a bottleneck.

tEiS · Dec 18, 2006, 07:58 AM

well first of all thanks for the answers

and yeah, i don't have none of these overhyped intel core 2 dual blah cpu's.
i have an amd system so that means i should stick to a 8800gts, right?

as i won't be upgrading not before atleast 1 year and a half!

CDsDontBurn · Dec 18, 2006, 08:21 AM

Well, what do you have now? If you have something like an Athlon XP 2400+, 512Mb of RAM, and a 9800xt, and you upgrade to an e6600, 2Gb of RAM, and the 8800GTS, then you wouldn't really care if you got the GTX or the GTS

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***Veridian3*** · Dec 18, 2006, 08:49 AM

Lets get one thing straight, the GTX is not bottlenecked by the recent high end intels...( http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...iewx120/36.php )

Now thats out of the way, the other thing to consider is case size, the GTX us huge and unless you have a big case you could run into space issues with the card not fitting. The GTS is much more compact, uses less power and unless you are running an ultra high end AMD chip with 2gb of memory its probably much more suited to your other components.

What are your CPU and memory?

tEiS · Dec 18, 2006, 11:46 AM

well an asus a8n sli premium, amd opteron 146 or 175 (haven't decided yet),
ocz 1gb premium kit, ocz 2gb kit following,
x-fi fatal1ty ..

thats the stuff which i'll take over from the stuff i have now.
the motherboard and the cpu is new (got it cheap).

i know have an asus v9999 (6800gt) on an msi board
with an amd barton 3000+ ..

***Veridian3*** · Dec 18, 2006, 12:06 PM

Go for the GTS.

SuperMiguel · Dec 21, 2006, 12:00 AM

I haven an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2gb of RAM and an ASUS m2n32 mobo, which video card should i pick the GTS or the GTX???

zaim · Dec 21, 2006, 05:20 AM

SuperMigual; anything AMD, stick to a GTS. regardless if the AM2 is running DDR2 or what not..... you will gain no more than a 5% performance increase by going to a GTX from a GTS. I've done the benchmarks on my RIG, and what a fucking shocked. 800 points difference in 3dmark06. would you pay an extra $300 AUD for 800 points?

fair enough 3dmarks aint exactly the perfect test tool to compare products, but it still gives you a rough idea of where the performance lack is

I had the money for a GTX, but i don't need it on my rig. so I went for the GTS

SuperMiguel · Dec 21, 2006, 09:26 AM

My memory RAM is DD2-6400 (400MHZ) 4-4-4-12 and i have 2GB will it still being 5%??

tastyweat · Dec 21, 2006, 12:51 PM

I'd say go for the GTX.... but then I've got two

If the GTS had the same number of 'stream processors' but lower clocks, like most high-end graphics parts counter-parts have then that would be the better buy.... but the GTS has 75% of the pixel/vertex/geometry/physics pipelines than the GTX and 75MHz knocked of the core clockspeed

zaim · Dec 21, 2006, 02:09 PM

i doubt faster ram will give it a massive increase in performance.

tEiS · Dec 23, 2006, 01:53 PM

i've got my eVGA 8800gts yesterday ..
i've directly tested the Adrienne nVidia demo and it ran smoothly.
so no need paying 150€ more for a 8800gtx which might be bottlenecked.

and i doubt i will have any troubles with forthcoming games which
support dx10. . i never play with absolutly full details as it's a pain
in the ass when ur an eSports gamer

..

btw, opteron feels nice

ps: i wanted to check the nVidia FROG demo, too.
but wasn't able to find it anymore. nVidia took it off their site ?

nevermind. i found it and it's damn funny to play with the frog

coldfrontt · Dec 23, 2006, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tEiS

i've got my eVGA 8800gts yesterday ..
i've directly tested the Adrienne nVidia demo and it ran smoothly.
so no need paying 150€ more for a 8800gtx which might be bottlenecked.

and i doubt i will have any troubles with forthcoming games which
support dx10. . i never play with absolutly full details as it's a pain
in the ass when ur an eSports gamer

..

btw, opteron feels nice

ps: i wanted to check the nVidia FROG demo, too.
but wasn't able to find it anymore. nVidia took it off their site ?

Look at this thread, links to froggie...
nvidia 8800 demos downloads

bohemianbeatle · Dec 29, 2006, 10:19 AM

im about to get a c2d e6600, 2Gb of RAM (667mhz Kingston), asus p5b deluxe. since im not planning to oc (cuz i dont wanna spend all that money on cooling devices and stuff), should i go for the gts or the gtx? oh btw i have a 19" lcd which supports up to 1280x1024 resolution.

fobis · Dec 29, 2006, 04:36 PM

If you're not going to overclock no matter what, and if you have the money, I'd say go for the GTX.

Dec 17, 2006, 11:53 PM	#1
tEiS DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	8800gts or 8800gtx hello, we all know that nvidia's new G80 cards kicks massivly.. i had a small system upgrade, new board, new cpu n stuff. and have chosen a new gfx card.. first i wanted to pick evga's 8800gtx but then, after some asking in some irc chans i got told not to go for a gtx as it just will bottleneck the cpu. so i ordered a 8800gts .. but now, after i stepped over a forum where they discuse the Adrienne nVidia demo, all of them use a 8800gtx, only one had a 8800gts. so what's the big difference of these two cards and does the 8800gtx have alot of advantage upon the 8800gts ?? sorry for my english .. thanks in advance!

Dec 18, 2006, 12:19 AM	#2
fobis DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 741 Rep Power: 36	I don't know who told you that the 8800GTX would bottleneck the CPU... It's the other way around: the CPU will be the bottleneck of the system. As for 8800GTS vs GTX... GTS: Core clock 500MHz Stream Processors 96 Memory Clock 1600MHz(effective) Memory Size 640MB Memory Interface 320-bit Memory Type GDDR3 GTX: Core clock 575MHz Stream Processors 128 Memory Clock 1800MHz(effective) Memory Size 768MB Memory Interface 384-bit Memory Type GDDR3 The GTX is the better card all-around, but the GTS will get you by. __________________ MacBook Pro Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.4 Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz 2GB DDR2-677 ATi Mobility Radeon X1600 256MB 120GB 7200RPM SATA HDD

Dec 18, 2006, 12:49 AM	#3
zaim DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 1,044 Rep Power: 25	it's the other way around.. the cpu will bottleneck the GTX. if you're running an AMD system, a GTS will suffice for your needs, as you'll most likely only gain a 5% performance gain with a GTX. if you're running an Intel Core2 system, it will give you a boost in performance, and overclocking it to above 3ghz, will remove most or even all of the bottleneck =) __________________ زعيم MAIN PC(1)(2)(3):•Q9550•GAP35DS3P• 4GBCrucialPC2-8500BallistixTracerLED•XFX9800GTX•3x146GB CheetahSAS15K.5 Raid0•2x 1TB Raid1•LianLiA10B•2x22"5ms@3360x1050• BEDROOM HTPC(1)(2)(3):E6600•MSI945GM3-F•2048DDR2667•1TB•Samsung26"HDTV•HybridHDTV•5.1• Laptop:•Centrino2 P8400 1066fsb•4GB-DDR2 800•320GBSATA•DVDDL•15.4"WXGA•802.11a/b/g/n• WHServer:•AM2 5200+•2GB DDR2 800•Lots of TB Storage•1GB TCP/IP• www.zaimc.com // myspace/zaimc // zaimm.deviantart BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG 16 x 92mm fan + radiator experiment!

Dec 18, 2006, 08:21 AM	#7
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 21,848 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	Well, what do you have now? If you have something like an Athlon XP 2400+, 512Mb of RAM, and a 9800xt, and you upgrade to an e6600, 2Gb of RAM, and the 8800GTS, then you wouldn't really care if you got the GTX or the GTS . __________________ CD's Corner // Her first day // A year later // RX-8 Club 3Dmark06 - 4176 // 3Dmark05 - 7459 // 3Dmark03 - 14289 // PCmark05 - 4453 // PCmark04 - 6297

Dec 21, 2006, 05:20 AM	#12
zaim DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 1,044 Rep Power: 25	SuperMigual; anything AMD, stick to a GTS. regardless if the AM2 is running DDR2 or what not..... you will gain no more than a 5% performance increase by going to a GTX from a GTS. I've done the benchmarks on my RIG, and what a fucking shocked. 800 points difference in 3dmark06. would you pay an extra $300 AUD for 800 points? fair enough 3dmarks aint exactly the perfect test tool to compare products, but it still gives you a rough idea of where the performance lack is I had the money for a GTX, but i don't need it on my rig. so I went for the GTS __________________ زعيم MAIN PC(1)(2)(3):•Q9550•GAP35DS3P• 4GBCrucialPC2-8500BallistixTracerLED•XFX9800GTX•3x146GB CheetahSAS15K.5 Raid0•2x 1TB Raid1•LianLiA10B•2x22"5ms@3360x1050• BEDROOM HTPC(1)(2)(3):E6600•MSI945GM3-F•2048DDR2667•1TB•Samsung26"HDTV•HybridHDTV•5.1• Laptop:•Centrino2 P8400 1066fsb•4GB-DDR2 800•320GBSATA•DVDDL•15.4"WXGA•802.11a/b/g/n• WHServer:•AM2 5200+•2GB DDR2 800•Lots of TB Storage•1GB TCP/IP• www.zaimc.com // myspace/zaimc // zaimm.deviantart BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG 16 x 92mm fan + radiator experiment!

Dec 18, 2006, 01:50 AM	#4
ViRuS2k DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,343 Rep Power: 57 System Specs	GTS vs GTX for a GTS to be at GTX levels then it would have to be overclocked to 650/950 and even then a stock GTX will beat it in most games.. that just shows you the power the GTX has over the GTS its about 25% - 40% more in power compaired to the GTS and thats only in DX9 games, it will be a much bigger gap when DX10 games get released as all stream Processors and the bigged memory interface will be used when those things come out.

Dec 18, 2006, 04:37 AM	#5
~~hackerx~~ Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 495 Rep Power: 0	If u rather save some money go for the GTS.U'll still be able to run games with all IQ and AA turned up but u'll have a relatively smaller hole in your wallet. But if u got money to spend and want to play dx10 games in all their glory when they come out get the 8800 gtx.Although depending on your resolution your cpu can/will be a bottleneck.

Dec 18, 2006, 07:58 AM	#6
tEiS DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	well first of all thanks for the answers and yeah, i don't have none of these overhyped intel core 2 dual blah cpu's. i have an amd system so that means i should stick to a 8800gts, right? as i won't be upgrading not before atleast 1 year and a half!

Dec 18, 2006, 08:49 AM	#8
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 2,999 Rep Power: 72	Lets get one thing straight, the GTX is not bottlenecked by the recent high end intels...( http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...iewx120/36.php ) Now thats out of the way, the other thing to consider is case size, the GTX us huge and unless you have a big case you could run into space issues with the card not fitting. The GTS is much more compact, uses less power and unless you are running an ultra high end AMD chip with 2gb of memory its probably much more suited to your other components. What are your CPU and memory?

Dec 18, 2006, 11:46 AM	#9
tEiS DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	well an asus a8n sli premium, amd opteron 146 or 175 (haven't decided yet), ocz 1gb premium kit, ocz 2gb kit following, x-fi fatal1ty .. thats the stuff which i'll take over from the stuff i have now. the motherboard and the cpu is new (got it cheap). i know have an asus v9999 (6800gt) on an msi board with an amd barton 3000+ ..

Dec 18, 2006, 12:06 PM	#10
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 2,999 Rep Power: 72	Go for the GTS.

Dec 21, 2006, 12:00 AM	#11
SuperMiguel DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	I haven an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2gb of RAM and an ASUS m2n32 mobo, which video card should i pick the GTS or the GTX???

Dec 21, 2006, 09:26 AM	#13
SuperMiguel DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	My memory RAM is DD2-6400 (400MHZ) 4-4-4-12 and i have 2GB will it still being 5%??

Dec 21, 2006, 12:51 PM	#14
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,776 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	I'd say go for the GTX.... but then I've got two If the GTS had the same number of 'stream processors' but lower clocks, like most high-end graphics parts counter-parts have then that would be the better buy.... but the GTS has 75% of the pixel/vertex/geometry/physics pipelines than the GTX and 75MHz knocked of the core clockspeed __________________

Dec 21, 2006, 02:09 PM	#15
zaim DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 1,044 Rep Power: 25	i doubt faster ram will give it a massive increase in performance. __________________ زعيم MAIN PC(1)(2)(3):•Q9550•GAP35DS3P• 4GBCrucialPC2-8500BallistixTracerLED•XFX9800GTX•3x146GB CheetahSAS15K.5 Raid0•2x 1TB Raid1•LianLiA10B•2x22"5ms@3360x1050• BEDROOM HTPC(1)(2)(3):E6600•MSI945GM3-F•2048DDR2667•1TB•Samsung26"HDTV•HybridHDTV•5.1• Laptop:•Centrino2 P8400 1066fsb•4GB-DDR2 800•320GBSATA•DVDDL•15.4"WXGA•802.11a/b/g/n• WHServer:•AM2 5200+•2GB DDR2 800•Lots of TB Storage•1GB TCP/IP• www.zaimc.com // myspace/zaimc // zaimm.deviantart BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG 16 x 92mm fan + radiator experiment!

Dec 23, 2006, 01:53 PM	#16
tEiS DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	i've got my eVGA 8800gts yesterday .. i've directly tested the Adrienne nVidia demo and it ran smoothly. so no need paying 150€ more for a 8800gtx which might be bottlenecked. and i doubt i will have any troubles with forthcoming games which support dx10. . i never play with absolutly full details as it's a pain in the ass when ur an eSports gamer .. btw, opteron feels nice ps: i wanted to check the nVidia FROG demo, too. but wasn't able to find it anymore. nVidia took it off their site ? nevermind. i found it and it's damn funny to play with the frog Last edited by tEiS; Dec 23, 2006 at 02:09 PM.

Dec 29, 2006, 10:19 AM	#18
bohemianbeatle DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	im about to get a c2d e6600, 2Gb of RAM (667mhz Kingston), asus p5b deluxe. since im not planning to oc (cuz i dont wanna spend all that money on cooling devices and stuff), should i go for the gts or the gtx? oh btw i have a 19" lcd which supports up to 1280x1024 resolution.

Dec 29, 2006, 04:36 PM	#19
fobis DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 741 Rep Power: 36	If you're not going to overclock no matter what, and if you have the money, I'd say go for the GTX. __________________ MacBook Pro Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.4 Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz 2GB DDR2-677 ATi Mobility Radeon X1600 256MB 120GB 7200RPM SATA HDD