Omega vs DNA report

karlotta · Jan 17, 2004, 03:52 PM

First off nice job on the effort Neon. Second to the admins here and at Rage, kinda messy fighting in public.lol
Yes the whole review has the feelling of :" i think KS is a ass and lame driver modder", and well he is.
Ratchet and Kombant, where not attacking Neon's credability, but the the tone and remarks before the final "opinions". Which does make it bias. To think that should mean Neon was doing somthing fishy is a real stretch. Or to think Ratchet or Kombant think Neon is less than honest, with there opinions.. is way out there too. Bias does not = cheating/dishonesty.
Stealing other ppls work , calling it your own and fakeing forum regs to post to your self to pimp your stollen app, and or attack any who call you out on it =cheating/dishonesty
But can you believe KS/DNA beta team, could even test more than 5 games or apps before they are "released". When OmegaDrive gets to test as a beta tester for ATI. Is there even a reason to try DNA with all the info out there? I guess if that is your hobby.

digitalwanderer · Jan 17, 2004, 03:53 PM

The dx9 cube was garbled because v-sync was off. If it isn't limited by your refresh rate it goes at an obscenely high framerate and just looks like crap! (V-sync=ON! )

~~atirulez~~ · Jan 17, 2004, 03:57 PM

I was going to write a reply for the reason why I didn't like the article, Catalyst, DNA, Omega article but the thread was closed before I could. Anyways, I thought the article was somewhat biased. I am somewhat new to ATI (was an Nvidia fan) so I don't know all the ins and outs of the DNA, Omega and Catalyst drivers. I've tried them all and DNA is by far the best driver set I have used. I get higher 3dmarks and the games I play (NWN, NFSU, CoD, DX2, MP2) run a lot smoother and look better. I am new to this forum and from what I have read so far, a lot of people seem to have a grudge against the DNA driver set. Yes, the person who made them may be unprofessional but who cares? The drivers work awesome for me and I am very happy with them. From reading that article, I could see strong animosity towards the creator of the DNA drivers (commenting on spelling errors...give me a break)

I've seen accusations of copying the Omega's (don't the Omega's copy the Catalysts?) My 2 cents.

Reuter · Jan 17, 2004, 04:01 PM

QUOTE >The dx9 cube was garbled because v-sync was off. If it isn't limited by your refresh rate it goes at an obscenely high framerate and just looks like crap! (V-sync=ON! )

Thanks, did not pay attention

But with Omega's the spinning cubes are back to normal.

Ratchet · Jan 17, 2004, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
Kombatant, ive known you quite a while and we get on great, but I have to disagree with you on this, both you and Ratchet have quite clearly questioned his integrity and the purpose of the article, I mean I dont see how I can take

a comment like that to be anything else but an insult to myself, the site and Neons article at the highest level. a comment like that is not constructive by any terms and is merely stating that the whole article along with the benchmarks is meaningless and is a masquerade with the intention to slander KS - Mike spent weeks on the benchmarks and wanted to add his opinions at the end which arent heresay they are factual, remember that. Thats his style, im not excusing it, why should I, he "feels" it and researched it. to neuter that, is to remove his personality.

I have already expressed my feelings in this thread so I dont see the need to reiterate them, but I have to say im quite surprised at some of the comments from a rage3d mod and admin in this thread. Not your personal views on presentation or his structure might I add but the insults.

Look, I'm sorry that you think I've been insulting you, your site or the reviewer. I'm sure that if you could be objective for a moment and look at my comments from that perspective then you would see that wasn't my intention.

Here's what I've seen recently here: you ban KillerSneak for whatever reasons. Then you post an anti-KillerSneak rant on the front page. Then you post this article that compares KillerSneaks drivers to Omegas and ATIs and slam KillerSneak and his drivers in the process. I won't even mention the fact that DH is Omegas home (or the other suspicions I have about the article). How can you possibly expect me or any other objective reader to take the article seriously after all that?

In the end, all you are doing is giving more attention to a little dumbass who doesn't deserve it. I suggest you let it go Allan.

Graham · Jan 17, 2004, 05:01 PM

Neon Cowboy,
Thanks for all your hard work. This is as close to objectivity as one can get. If you want a change in common practise " Show me the study " is the mantra in the medical community. Neon Cowboy has shown us enough evidence to bring about ( dare I say it?? ) a paradigm shift

in driver useage.
P.S. Who, in their right mind, would trust anything produced by someone whose moniker is Killersneek?!?

Poppi · Jan 17, 2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Ratchet
...In the end, all you are doing is giving more attention to a little dumbass who doesn't deserve it. I suggest you let it go Allan.

I agree. As one can see, Ratchet's antagonistic view to the article has nothing to do with partiality to the lowlighted driver producer in the article. Steady as she goes everyone. Remember, the definition of a forum means everyone's opinion is given equal weight and respect. A lot of good points made on both sides.

***Zardon*** · Jan 17, 2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ratchet
Look, I'm sorry that you think I've been insulting you, your site or the reviewer. I'm sure that if you could be objective for a moment and look at my comments from that perspective then you would see that wasn't my intention.

Here's what I've seen recently here: you ban KillerSneak for whatever reasons. Then you post an anti-KillerSneak rant on the front page. Then you post this article that compares KillerSneaks drivers to Omegas and ATIs and slam KillerSneak and his drivers in the process. I won't even mention the fact that DH is Omegas home (or the other suspicions I have about the article). How can you possibly expect me or any other objective reader to take the article seriously after all that?

In the end, all you are doing is giving more attention to a little dumbass who doesn't deserve it. I suggest you let it go Allan.

now. hang on a minute here, as far as im aware you arent here often at all, so let me correct you on a few issues. firstly killersneak was banned here a long time ago for being abusive on the forums, something he has been doing on Rage3d for quite some time but seems to get away with for whatever reasons. Yes I posted an anti killernsneak rant on the front page? so what? are you dealing with him making up multiple accounts and pretending to be other people to give his driver false positive light? no you arent because he runs amok under his original account on rage3d as he sees fit. you might want to look at the standard of moderating on rage3d IMO before you come here spouting your opinions on issues you seem quite ill educated to post. You dont know what this little guy is capable of doing, and ill post exposes to protect my site visitors when I feel its necessary from installing drivers I feel just arent UP to it.

In answer to your other points, i DO expect you to take it seriously because as ive stated neon is a guy who has been on this forum for quite some time and has written some very indepth, educational and helpful articles on various subjects, so if you had actually researched the matter before coming here accusing this site of faking the article for whatever reasons you might have made a more subjective and constructive commentary rather than "but trying to hide the true purpose of the article under such a completely transparent veil of legitimacy is pretty lame. The article should be entitled “We think KillerSneak is a dick, here’s why you should too.” " Why would I lower myself to posting someone is "a dick"? I dont know KS, I just know his actions from this site and the emails I receive so when I feel my membership need to be more educated on who exactly this guy is behind a driver set which could potentially ruin their OS, I will do so, but I will certainly do it in more educated manner than you say. Thats insulting Ratchet and I am not aware how you feel I could be "objective" with a comment such as that.

As for "letting it go", I made my one time editorial and that was it THEN one of my forum members Neon has written a detailed driver article detailing his findings along with his opinions - which are valid, based on research and 2 weeks of testing. if they show DNA in a bad light, then people will have to deal with it or submit other detailed findings to me for comparison.

This is a site after all founded on drivers and support, so I damned well will post any article I see fit on this matter.

Dont come here insulting my forum members nor posting flammatory comments regarding our ethics or the validity of members research and commentary, at least have the respect to do so without being condescending, patronising and downright rude.

***Veridian3*** · Jan 17, 2004, 06:17 PM

Ratchet,

I've yet to see a constructive post from you in this thread. All you've done is spout off about how you think its bias, lacks credibility and "the other suspicions I have about the article". You dont have to like the article but if your going to comment on it then you should at least back up your comments, provide evidence (not that you have any) where needed and stop the generic condecending comments. Oh, and having the balls to actually say what you think rather than "or the other suspicions I have about the article" or "trying to hide the true purpose of the article" would maybe help make your posts have weight rather than make you seem like a complete asshole.

Ratchet · Jan 17, 2004, 06:20 PM

I can't explain my views on the article any clearer than I already have. I see that all you guys are looking for is a fight, and that's not what I want. So, this is my last post and I regret ever voicing my opinion in the first place. See you guys around.

***Veridian3*** · Jan 17, 2004, 06:23 PM

"I can't explain my views on the article any clearer " so your saying you cant back up what your comments? OK, fine by me...you've confirmed my thoughts.

Poppi · Jan 17, 2004, 06:29 PM

Some really really good discussion right now. Will it proceed without insults? If yes more good points will be brougth up. If no, then stars and bars put aside, this thread should be extinguished.

Poppi · Jan 17, 2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Ratchet
I can't explain my views on the article any clearer than I already have. I see that all you guys are looking for is a fight, and that's not what I want. So, this is my last post and I regret ever voicing my opinion in the first place. See you guys around.

Ratchet, don't go. Hang in there. Remember, one who is firm with his points will let the flak bounce off of him.

***Zardon*** · Jan 17, 2004, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ratchet
I can't explain my views on the article any clearer than I already have. I see that all you guys are looking for is a fight, and that's not what I want. So, this is my last post and I regret ever voicing my opinion in the first place. See you guys around.

no need to get melodramatic about it, I mean come on man, if you post in that manner as you have done, which is basically IMO the lowest form of thread crapping ive seen you are bound to get called on it. You cant seriously expect to come here and accuse a dedicated and thorough forum member who has produced some fantastic articles of -- faking, lying in an article or whatever it is you are trying to say with your flammatory and insulting comments. Its a shame this thread has lowered so badly due to some quite hostile people and I apologise to everyone here who has had to wade through this nonsense.

I know via feedback in general on the article has been positive and its helped some members, so good work Neon !

***Zardon*** · Jan 17, 2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Poppi
Some really really good discussion right now. Will it proceed without insults? If yes more good points will be brougth up. If no, then stars and bars put aside, this thread should be extinguished.

if it continues as is, yes it will be closed, civil debate between people shouldnt be such a hard thing , unfortunately im continually reminded this is not always the case.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 17, 2004, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ratchet
Look, I'm sorry that you think I've been insulting you, your site or the reviewer. I'm sure that if you could be objective for a moment and look at my comments from that perspective then you would see that wasn't my intention.

Here's what I've seen recently here: you ban KillerSneak for whatever reasons. Then you post an anti-KillerSneak rant on the front page. Then you post this article that compares KillerSneaks drivers to Omegas and ATIs and slam KillerSneak and his drivers in the process. I won't even mention the fact that DH is Omegas home (or the other suspicions I have about the article). How can you possibly expect me or any other objective reader to take the article seriously after all that?

In the end, all you are doing is giving more attention to a little dumbass who doesn't deserve it. I suggest you let it go Allan.

First of all this truly isn’t a regular DH review. I am not a staff member/moderator of any sort. Just because I chose to actively post on DH like u might prefer Rage3d or somewhere else don’t make it bias. Why? For several reasons one being because I’m a member of dozens of forums including but not limited to Rage3d, Elite Basterds, Rolo’s Lounge, Warp2search, Nforcershq, Tomshardware, and so on. It would take way to long to list them all. I could have had this posted on another site but why would I? It’s not like I’m not trying to hide anything. Yes, I like DH and the many friends I have here.

This is stuff I would do regardless of what is going on. I regularly try new drivers, tweaks and programs as they come out. Compare results and share I try to share what I know with others. If I don’t do this as a websites article it would have just been another post in a forum that quickly faded away. I like getting my hard work recognized. Personally, I work vary had to help people, to find answers to questions that need to be answered. I have the time and unique skills to do things a lot of people can’t. It never hurts to get a little recognition for it.

This article would have been posted even if the result looked negative for omega. But, as the fates would have it, it turned out to be negative for DNA. I don’t try to look at it as positive or negative I am more about finding the truth. Believe what you will, we all have the rights to our own opinions.

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Originally posted by atirulez
I was going to write a reply for the reason why I didn't like the article, Catalyst, DNA, Omega article but the thread was closed before I could. Anyways, I thought the article was somewhat biased. I am somewhat new to ATI (was an Nvidia fan) so I don't know all the ins and outs of the DNA, Omega and Catalyst drivers. I've tried them all and DNA is by far the best driver set I have used. I get higher 3dmarks and the games I play (NWN, NFSU, CoD, DX2, MP2) run a lot smoother and look better. I am new to this forum and from what I have read so far, a lot of people seem to have a grudge against the DNA driver set. Yes, the person who made them may be unprofessional but who cares? The drivers work awesome for me and I am very happy with them. From reading that article, I could see strong animosity towards the creator of the DNA drivers (commenting on spelling errors...give me a break) I've seen accusations of copying the Omega's (don't the Omega's copy the Catalysts?) My 2 cents.

I too came from using NVIDIA and it was hard to accept Ati. Many here probably might remember thinking me a bit of a jerk about this. Because anything I herd negative about my beloved NVIDIA I acted a bit immaturely and was always skeptical when the results were not what I wanted to see. It really similar to what I’m seeing for DNA fans so I understand were your coming from.

I personally have no grudge I think killersneak could be handling things a bit better especially the continued bashing of ATI’s Terry Makedon the head of the Ati Catalyst Team. (That still also continued after the Rage3d incident on DNA’s own website). I’ll repeat this again for you. A lot of people are mad mostly about killersneak signing up under false accounts to promote his drivers. He came here solely to course troubles, to post Anti Omega propaganda, and false issues with Omega’s drivers. We aren’t out to get killersneak he’s out o get us. He’s doing his best to try to discredit this website and through it Omega’s drivers. DNA uses omegas work then bashes him and clams it as his own? That doest make any since. For all intense purposes please remember DNA came here trying to pick a fight. As for his unprofessional actions I try not to even go there.

As for the copying part you mention I’ll have a fuller response to that I an short while

cmac · Jan 17, 2004, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Kombatant
It's just that the truth in it gets lost in the way he presents it, which goes beyond "colourful". That's how it feels to me. I know who he is, we all know who he is, but it will be read by many people who don't know who he is. And it is way he presents the facts I disagree, not the facts themselves.

I agree also

Kombatant · Jan 17, 2004, 06:52 PM

Zardon, KS is banned from Rage3D for breaking the rules of the forum. I can't ban him because he acts like an *insert cuss word here* in other forums, had to wait until he did it in our forum as well

There is no problem with R3D modding; if the guy did the stuff he's pulled here he would be history ages ago.

Getting that out of the way everyone is entitled to his opinion, and all of them are equally respected. That's the motto I go for. I can see why people in here are quick to defend Neon, but I don't think I was attacking anyone when I made my remarks. Heck, whenever I post reviews I really want people to tear them apart, it makes me a better reviewer in the process since I tend to learn from my mistakes. What I did was providing some constructive criticism; some of you may agree with it, some of you may disagree with it, but that was my honest intention. I was a little saddened to see responses telling me that I questioned Neon's integrity, when I kept repeating that this was not the case from the beginning; I would like to believe that my posts were not read thoroughly and that was the reason.

Bottom line is that I am not "attacking" anyone here. DH is a place I like very much and care for, and that's why I thought it would be a good idea to share my views with you peeps. I could be wrong with my remarks (we all tend to be wrong in our lives at some point), I could be right, but that's irrelevant. I feel that I am amongst friends, having a conversation about a subject. Nothing more. The point of discussion is not to merely exchange views, but to actually debate them in order to come to a mutual point of view. Believe me I know, I am Greek and we "invented" dialogue (that's why the word is greek in the first place

) There is no need for name calling and picking fights; as I said, I feel like a friend amonst friends and I think that's how it is in reality.

**Asmoday** · Jan 17, 2004, 06:52 PM

Well KillerSneak seems to be quite intersested in this review....he's started a thread about it at his place...

http://www.dna-drivers.nl/viewtopic.php?t=501

~~Crash Override~~ · Jan 17, 2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Kombatant
Zardon, KS is banned from Rage3D for breaking the rules of the forum. I can't ban him because he acts like an *insert cuss word here* in other forums, had to wait until he did it in our forum as well There is no problem with R3D modding; if the guy did the stuff he's pulled here he would be history ages ago.

Getting that out of the way everyone is entitled to his opinion, and all of them are equally respected. That's the motto I go for. I can see why people in here are quick to defend Neon, but I don't think I was attacking anyone when I made my remarks. Heck, whenever I post reviews I really want people to tear them apart, it makes me a better reviewer in the process since I tend to learn from my mistakes. What I did was providing some constructive criticism; some of you may agree with it, some of you may disagree with it, but that was my honest intention. I was a little saddened to see responses telling me that I questioned Neon's integrity, when I kept repeating that this was not the case from the beginning; I would like to believe that my posts were not read thoroughly and that was the reason.

Bottom line is that I am not "attacking" anyone here. DH is a place I like very much and care for, and that's why I thought it would be a good idea to share my views with you peeps. I could be wrong with my remarks (we all tend to be wrong in our lives at some point), I could be right, but that's irrelevant. I feel that I am amongst friends, having a conversation about a subject. Nothing more. The point of discussion is not to merely exchange views, but to actually debate them in order to come to a mutual point of view. Believe me I know, I am Greek and we "invented" dialogue (that's why the word is greek in the first place ) There is no need for name calling and picking fights; as I said, I feel like a friend amonst friends and I think that's how it is in reality.

oh really?

then why have I been banned multiple times for posting out against KillerSneak on the forums anytime he did bashing on Omega?

or wait that isnt something we should talk about is it?

If KillerSneak wasnt spending 90% of his time getting his butt kissed by Spyre and a couple other staff I wouldnt be sitting here having been banned like 5 times in the last 6/7 months.

this might better belong in a PM. If so just tell me and I will edit the post to say something else and kick this in a PM to Kombatant

Poppi · Jan 17, 2004, 07:05 PM

Article or not, I think there is an underlying issue here. I believe the DH owners and admins. believe thier site has been severly insulted and discredited by one person and are pissed about it. DH guys (gals), as I said before, I don't have the time to commit to the theme of this website as many have put forth. However, I can say one thing, this is a top notch website that I often visit more then one time per day.

It will take much more then petty issues to take you guys off my favorites. In fact, I actually have DH on my favorites twice, one for the home page and one for the forums. Guys (gals) keep up the good work and let the fruits of your labor stand for itself.

evrt63 · Jan 17, 2004, 07:06 PM

thank you neon great review. To everyone else i'll tell you why i thin