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Old Nov 14, 2003, 03:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The government is watching you - official

"The 'snoopers' charter' that will see every phone call made, website visited and email sent monitored by the government officially became law on Thursday.

While the almost universal rejection of the data retention orders from the opposition was widely expected to derail the governments plans, last minute political manoeuvring saw it through the House of Lords. "


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Old Nov 14, 2003, 03:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thats why people spoof, they dont want there every move online monitored, this move will make more people spoof.
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Old Nov 14, 2003, 05:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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WHew, its in UK... scared me for a sec, but I doubt we wont follow soon
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Old Nov 14, 2003, 07:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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WHew, its in UK... scared me for a sec, but I doubt we wont follow soon
yea i about craped a brick when i saw that untill i read ..the House of Lords
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Old Nov 15, 2003, 03:08 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Me too.. But still it sucks where ever it is Big Brother is here
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Old Nov 15, 2003, 03:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Me too.. But still it sucks where ever it is Big Brother is here
Big Brother has been here for a long time....believe me.............
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Old Nov 15, 2003, 04:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Look at all the CCTV's in London- They are under complete control by the government- A person entering London will be photographed up to 300 times a day, every day. They are the most surveilled society on earth. This story doesn't surprise me one bit.
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Old Nov 15, 2003, 05:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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yea i about craped a brick when i saw that untill i read ..the House of Lords
Er, I didn't know anything about this until now. I am now crapping large bricks.
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Old Nov 15, 2003, 11:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Er, I didn't know anything about this until now. I am now crapping large bricks.
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Old Nov 15, 2003, 03:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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We may have the biggest amount of camera's in london than any other city just like birmingham, manchester etc etc.They all do but they work in beating crime, just look at the USA's stats per100.000 population, you are much more likley to be shot, robbed or attacked in USA than you are here.Dont start saying "its because US goverment dont snoop" because the US goverment is the biggest snooper on the planet, thats why they have such a problem with the EU's satalite which out powers the US's and allows EU members to see just as much as US, but as normal they have a problem with that after all, USA thinks it is the Worlds leader.
Your goverment has been watching you online for years!
Just look at how many people already have been nicked for using p2pfile sharing software, your ITcrimeunit has been snooping file sharers for ages and now there reeling you all in, us in uk have a while before we have to worry, they might say in the lords that they wish to pass the new law but in this country things take time, and this will to.

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Old Nov 16, 2003, 10:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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We may have the biggest amount of camera's in london than any other city just like birmingham, manchester etc etc.They all do but they work in beating crime, just look at the USA's stats per100.000 population, you are much more likley to be shot, robbed or attacked in USA than you are here.Dont start saying "its because US goverment dont snoop" because the US goverment is the biggest snooper on the planet, thats why they have such a problem with the EU's satalite which out powers the US's and allows EU members to see just as much as US, but as normal they have a problem with that after all, USA thinks it is the Worlds leader.
Your goverment has been watching you online for years!
Just look at how many people already have been nicked for using p2pfile sharing software, your ITcrimeunit has been snooping file sharers for ages and now there reeling you all in, us in uk have a while before we have to worry, they might say in the lords that they wish to pass the new law but in this country things take time, and this will to.

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******US as of 2001 has LOWER INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME RATE THAN AUSTAILIA and UK..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902


I used this argument for gun control before- now I'll use it for people thinking cameras are the answer for crime. LOL- Studies aren't complete for years after this- I bet your crime rate is still sky high with or without cameras.

****Britain, Australia top U.S.
in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures

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By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:


The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;

"After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.

England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.

The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).
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Old Nov 16, 2003, 11:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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We may have the biggest amount of camera's in london than any other city just like birmingham, manchester etc etc.They all do but they work in beating crime, just look at the USA's stats per100.000 population, you are much more likley to be shot, robbed or attacked in USA than you are here.Dont start saying "its because US goverment dont snoop" because the US goverment is the biggest snooper on the planet, thats why they have such a problem with the EU's satalite which out powers the US's and allows EU members to see just as much as US, but as normal they have a problem with that after all, USA thinks it is the Worlds leader.
Your goverment has been watching you online for years!
Just look at how many people already have been nicked for using p2pfile sharing software, your ITcrimeunit has been snooping file sharers for ages and now there reeling you all in, us in uk have a while before we have to worry, they might say in the lords that they wish to pass the new law but in this country things take time, and this will to.

Tony.
the funny thing is the countries with lower crime rates usally end of haveing really suicde rates to the point the amount of deaths tend to even out!
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