Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares

**MIG-31** · Jul 2, 2009, 01:23 PM

For anyone still burning a torch for Windows Vista, its time is rapidly approaching. Buy now or forever hold your peace.

I can't say I'm surprised at how any of this has turned out. After all, Vista's launch was, to be charitable, rocky. When it first arrived just before Christmas 2006, it was late, bloated and, for some, expensive. It may have looked pretty on the outside, but critics quickly pounced on it for driver incompatibility, sluggish performance on mainstream -- and sometimes even high-end -- hardware and enough bugs to fill a family-sized tent on a weekend camping expedition. Microsoft didn't help matters with its ill-fated "Vista Capable" designation -- a public relations debacle that convinced buyers who were too lazy to read the fine print that Vista would run just as well on hardware barely suited for XP.
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Optix · Jul 2, 2009, 01:26 PM

Good thing my copy of Vista Ultimate was free courtesy of a limited time offer for Beta testers or I'd be pissed!

To me, Windows 7 is everything that Vista was meant to be but Microsoft decided to go for a money grab rather than put out a quality product.

Cannyone · Jul 2, 2009, 02:07 PM

So what do you mean by "Vista's dead..."? It's not like M$ is going to cut off support. They're just coming out with something "new". So of course they want to get people to migrate.

What occurs to me is that Windows 7 "appears" even more Mac-like than Vista - and that was one of the complaints. But I found the new "features" to be fairly useful.

Also I will admit that I pre-ordered several copies of the "Upgrade". But I'm just that way...

DJShamrock · Jul 2, 2009, 03:16 PM

I love Windows 7

WaltC · Jul 2, 2009, 03:48 PM

I'm surprised that there's anyone alive who doesn't know that Win7 *is* Vista--albeit with 2-years of improvements under the belt...

Everything in Win7 is based on Vista--not on XP.

When I bought XP in '01 it was far less compatible than I found Vista to be when I bought Vista in '07. And talk about a plethora of bug fixes--XP is the winner hands down, with three service packs and gobs of separate fixes besides--all since '01 when it shipped.

It was primarily OEMs selling XP-equipped laptops advertised as "Vista capable" when they really weren't that gave Vista its bad rap. On my desktops at home I never had those problems since before I bought Vista I had already updated my hardware considerably. From the day I launched Vista on my DX9 graphics card I never had reason to revert to XP, and so I never did...

The anti-Vista sentiment accordingly never seemed like anything more than ignorance to me.

Judas · Jul 2, 2009, 04:21 PM

this article screams drama......

talk about trying to still pull a crowd in using the band wagan slogan....

more bullshit imo

***Zardon*** · Jul 2, 2009, 04:36 PM

Vista's dead? christ I don't know why many of these sites are so happy to see it go - they will need to find something else to spend 3 years bitching about.

MitchRapp · Jul 2, 2009, 04:42 PM

Windows 7 is like Vista SP3 (when you compare Windows XP and, say, Windows XP SP2... SP2 was a HUGE improvement but still the same OS)

dawgXdenta · Jul 2, 2009, 05:06 PM

Well i cant say i'm sad, i've been happy with ubuntu and winxp x64. the child without a father to drive his ambitions. It was tough getting drivers and finding backdoors(like getting itunes vista64 to work on plain X64)and regfixes to make things work. but I got it down to an art.

YAYitsAndrew · Jul 2, 2009, 09:08 PM

I've been using Vista for years and can't even imagine what it would be like to run XP anymore. The only thing the people who skipped Vista got was 3 years of missing out on the latest and greatest OS from MS. No wonder Windows 7 looks so good to them! It's a Vista you're allowed to like. (Right, media? That's what you want me to think about Windows 7, right? That I like it?)

Mac Daddy · Jul 2, 2009, 09:19 PM

I have worked with both OS's and as always in life they have there Pro's and Con's. If we don't work forward we will never progress some people need to have a more open perspective on things.

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Originally Posted by Zardon

Vista's dead? christ I don't know why many of these sites are so happy to see it go - they will need to find something else to spend 3 years bitching about.

Damn Straight !!

OmegaRED · Jul 3, 2009, 01:42 AM

I hated Vista for the first two years it was out not because it was a bad OS but because my antiquated hardware struggled to run it, 90% of it worked great but there was always some 10% which caused me endless headaches; as soon as I upgraded to hardware newer than Vista I fell in love. Hands down this is the best OS I have ever used. Security, stability, performance...it's all there.

If Windows 7 is really just a better version of Vista than I will definitely switch to it. For now, I'm remaining a Windows 7 virgin and will continue to do so until Windows 7 Ultimate 64 RTM is released

OmegaRED · Jul 3, 2009, 02:09 AM

Out of curiosity, I took a look at the Windows 7 versions and it looks like MS changed the Ultimate version to tailor to the corporate user.

Which one is right for you?

It seems like if you were making a gaming/multimedia pc the home premium edition would be perfect. Anyone using Windows 7 Home care to comment? Does it have the Ultimate Extras from Vista?

BlueMak · Jul 3, 2009, 02:57 AM

I can't stand these fools that now, probably after upgrading their own hardware, try to push the view that 7 is not just better but that Vista still sucks. Their ego is only surpassed by their stupidity.

Al_Vampyre · Jul 3, 2009, 05:36 AM

I never quite understood the level of hatred that plagued Vista - in my experience it's a great OS especially the x64 flavour. If anything it's the online media that are killing Vista not MS.

***Zardon*** · Jul 3, 2009, 08:12 AM

It is a great OS, it just won't run well on the 25 year old hardware that most journalists appear to own.

Its been a fascinating thing for me to watch however as we have been testing all the hardware in our reviews on it and have been successfully using it (as well as OSX) to design and maintain our company websites for years. Amuses me to see some journalist jumping on the bandwagon to get hits from google search when he can't seemingly get Microsoft Word to run well.

OmegaRED · Jul 3, 2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

It is a great OS, it just won't run well on the 25 year old hardware that most journalists appear to own.

Its been a fascinating thing for me to watch however as we have been testing all the hardware in our reviews on it and have been successfully using it (as well as OSX) to design and maintain our company websites for years. Amuses me to see some journalist jumping on the bandwagon to get hits from google search when he can't seemingly get Microsoft Word to run well.

Yeap, what convinced me was various hardware reviews which showed Vista no longer dragging behind Xp with competent drivers. PC Gaming, first and foremost, will highlight any weakness in an OS or drivers so for that reason I trust the opinion of gamers over other hardware journalists and bloggers.

dawgXdenta · Jul 3, 2009, 09:04 AM

Dont share your sentiments gentlemen did i really miss out that much?

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Jul 3, 2009, 09:16 AM

Vista is it as far as I'm concerned too. XP can go to Hell though. As for Windows 7? It isn't out yet, but from I've seen it ain't much ado about nothin' either.

comp_ali · Jul 3, 2009, 01:29 PM

still on XP and not planning to move mind you.

dawgXdenta · Jul 3, 2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

still on XP and not planning to move mind you.

talk about slow to move @ least i'm on Xp X64

Mac Daddy · Jul 3, 2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgXdenta

talk about slow to move @ least i'm on Xp X64

You will have better driver support with Vista and Win7 X64.

Optix · Jul 3, 2009, 08:08 PM

Now that I look back, it's a good thing I didn't sign up for the Vista test to complete my certificate.

Lelisevis · Jul 3, 2009, 10:13 PM

Vista's dead? I bloody well hope not after the piss about i've just had installing UT3 on Win7, editing DX files and when I finally get it working I get no bloody menus...argghh, it could drive a man to drink...erm if he wasn't drunk already. Still at least NWN2 works ok, ok so that doesnt work either. I give up lol, back to vista for me until either I sober up or I have the time and patience to fix the problems. Here's hoping the issues are fixed for release.

OmegaRED · Jul 4, 2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lelisevis

Vista's dead? I bloody well hope not after the piss about i've just had installing UT3 on Win7, editing DX files and when I finally get it working I get no bloody menus...argghh, it could drive a man to drink...erm if he wasn't drunk already. Still at least NWN2 works ok, ok so that doesnt work either. I give up lol, back to vista for me until either I sober up or I have the time and patience to fix the problems. Here's hoping the issues are fixed for release.

I thought Windows 7 was so similar to Vista...shouldn't those games run easily if they work with Vista? Damn, I'm gonna have to read up on Windows 7

mkk · Jul 4, 2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

It seems like if you were making a gaming/multimedia pc the home premium edition would be perfect.

Yeah, although all test versions have been Ultimates so far I see no real weakness in the Home Premium this time around. And Home Basic doesn't exist anymore, they just keep the Premium name since the workd Home sounds can sound limited to existing users. So Home is good and the current preorder upgrade price for it on the US market should sell well.

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Does it have the Ultimate Extras from Vista?

Unfortunately the "Ultimate Extras" are canned and won't make a comeback even in Windows 7 Ultimate. Perhaps a few will trickle back as free individual Vista downloads if Microsoft feel it's worth putting some work into them. I mostly miss the Hold'em cardgame for some relaxed entertainment and the video wallpaper could be a fun feature to have sometimes.

I haven't encountered any gaming problems at all while using almost a dozen different builds of Windows 7 beta and later, but there has been build specific known issues then there's always some driver issues that could affect individual games. I do however tend to run with UAC disabled even after the minor changes to it in Win7, which has me dodging a number of issues at least with older games I'm sure.

Mac Daddy · Jul 4, 2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lelisevis

Vista's dead? I bloody well hope not after the piss about i've just had installing UT3 on Win7, editing DX files and when I finally get it working I get no bloody menus...argghh, it could drive a man to drink...erm if he wasn't drunk already. Still at least NWN2 works ok, ok so that doesnt work either. I give up lol, back to vista for me until either I sober up or I have the time and patience to fix the problems. Here's hoping the issues are fixed for release.

Odd I still have yet to find an issue with a game on Win7. I don't play as many as some members though. What versions and builds of Win7 are you using Levi and what drivers? (Video, sound, etc)

Lelisevis · Jul 4, 2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Odd I still have yet to find an issue with a game on Win7. I don't play as many as some members though. What versions and builds of Win7 are you using Levi and what drivers? (Video, sound, etc)

It's the first RC. The UT3 error turned out to be a DX hardware check error, havent got the specifics but the fix involved copying a vista DX file over the Win7 equivalent. The NWN2 error is a stuttering so im going to play with that when....oh God what does this say about me...i'll fix it the next time i'm sober

. The government did recommend drinking a lot of fluids with the current heatwave.
Only other problems I've had is with driver software that does an OS check and returns an incorrect version, my G15 and Gainwards Xpertool spring to mind.

Mac Daddy · Jul 4, 2009, 07:27 PM

Thanks for the feedback man and yes it is important to drink lots of fluids in the summer

isaak · Jul 4, 2009, 11:35 PM

I was just getting to like it

Jul 2, 2009, 01:23 PM	#1
MIG-31 DH News MOD Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 42,243 Rep Power: 180 System Specs	Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares For anyone still burning a torch for Windows Vista, its time is rapidly approaching. Buy now or forever hold your peace. I can't say I'm surprised at how any of this has turned out. After all, Vista's launch was, to be charitable, rocky. When it first arrived just before Christmas 2006, it was late, bloated and, for some, expensive. It may have looked pretty on the outside, but critics quickly pounced on it for driver incompatibility, sluggish performance on mainstream -- and sometimes even high-end -- hardware and enough bugs to fill a family-sized tent on a weekend camping expedition. Microsoft didn't help matters with its ill-fated "Vista Capable" designation -- a public relations debacle that convinced buyers who were too lazy to read the fine print that Vista would run just as well on hardware barely suited for XP. ____________ Source: Betanews __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

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Optix DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 106 Rep Power: 5 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Good thing my copy of Vista Ultimate was free courtesy of a limited time offer for Beta testers or I'd be pissed! To me, Windows 7 is everything that Vista was meant to be but Microsoft decided to go for a money grab rather than put out a quality product.

Jul 2, 2009, 02:07 PM	#3
Cannyone DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 80 Rep Power: 22 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares So what do you mean by "Vista's dead..."? It's not like M$ is going to cut off support. They're just coming out with something "new". So of course they want to get people to migrate. What occurs to me is that Windows 7 "appears" even more Mac-like than Vista - and that was one of the complaints. But I found the new "features" to be fairly useful. Also I will admit that I pre-ordered several copies of the "Upgrade". But I'm just that way... __________________ Eagles may Soar! But Weasels don't have to worry about being sucked into a jet engine...

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DJShamrock DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tennessee but from NY Posts: 199 Rep Power: 20 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I love Windows 7 __________________ My rap group. http://www.myspace.com/waxingpoetix

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WaltC DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Deep in Martian soil where it's warm and the air is good Posts: 250 Rep Power: 0	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I'm surprised that there's anyone alive who doesn't know that Win7 is Vista--albeit with 2-years of improvements under the belt... Everything in Win7 is based on Vista--not on XP. When I bought XP in '01 it was far less compatible than I found Vista to be when I bought Vista in '07. And talk about a plethora of bug fixes--XP is the winner hands down, with three service packs and gobs of separate fixes besides--all since '01 when it shipped. It was primarily OEMs selling XP-equipped laptops advertised as "Vista capable" when they really weren't that gave Vista its bad rap. On my desktops at home I never had those problems since before I bought Vista I had already updated my hardware considerably. From the day I launched Vista on my DX9 graphics card I never had reason to revert to XP, and so I never did... The anti-Vista sentiment accordingly never seemed like anything more than ignorance to me.

Jul 2, 2009, 04:36 PM	#7
*Zardon* lifeless Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 31,957 Rep Power: 3148	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Vista's dead? christ I don't know why many of these sites are so happy to see it go - they will need to find something else to spend 3 years bitching about.

Jul 2, 2009, 04:42 PM	#8
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 879 Rep Power: 35 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Windows 7 is like Vista SP3 (when you compare Windows XP and, say, Windows XP SP2... SP2 was a HUGE improvement but still the same OS)

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dawgXdenta DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,251 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Well i cant say i'm sad, i've been happy with ubuntu and winxp x64. the child without a father to drive his ambitions. It was tough getting drivers and finding backdoors(like getting itunes vista64 to work on plain X64)and regfixes to make things work. but I got it down to an art. __________________ "I just want to make sure that this sensation really is hunger before i go and eat... " Emma Obita You Tube

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YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,583 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I've been using Vista for years and can't even imagine what it would be like to run XP anymore. The only thing the people who skipped Vista got was 3 years of missing out on the latest and greatest OS from MS. No wonder Windows 7 looks so good to them! It's a Vista you're allowed to like. (Right, media? That's what you want me to think about Windows 7, right? That I like it?) __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism So you think piracy isn't hurting anyone? www.yayitsandrew.com

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OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,738 Rep Power: 82 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I hated Vista for the first two years it was out not because it was a bad OS but because my antiquated hardware struggled to run it, 90% of it worked great but there was always some 10% which caused me endless headaches; as soon as I upgraded to hardware newer than Vista I fell in love. Hands down this is the best OS I have ever used. Security, stability, performance...it's all there. If Windows 7 is really just a better version of Vista than I will definitely switch to it. For now, I'm remaining a Windows 7 virgin and will continue to do so until Windows 7 Ultimate 64 RTM is released __________________

Jul 3, 2009, 02:09 AM	#13
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,738 Rep Power: 82 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Out of curiosity, I took a look at the Windows 7 versions and it looks like MS changed the Ultimate version to tailor to the corporate user. Which one is right for you? It seems like if you were making a gaming/multimedia pc the home premium edition would be perfect. Anyone using Windows 7 Home care to comment? Does it have the Ultimate Extras from Vista? __________________

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BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 7,985 Rep Power: 114 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I can't stand these fools that now, probably after upgrading their own hardware, try to push the view that 7 is not just better but that Vista still sucks. Their ego is only surpassed by their stupidity. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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Al_Vampyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,511 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I never quite understood the level of hatred that plagued Vista - in my experience it's a great OS especially the x64 flavour. If anything it's the online media that are killing Vista not MS. __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

Jul 3, 2009, 08:12 AM	#16
*Zardon* lifeless Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 31,957 Rep Power: 3148	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares It is a great OS, it just won't run well on the 25 year old hardware that most journalists appear to own. Its been a fascinating thing for me to watch however as we have been testing all the hardware in our reviews on it and have been successfully using it (as well as OSX) to design and maintain our company websites for years. Amuses me to see some journalist jumping on the bandwagon to get hits from google search when he can't seemingly get Microsoft Word to run well.

Jul 3, 2009, 09:04 AM	#18
dawgXdenta DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,251 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Dont share your sentiments gentlemen did i really miss out that much? __________________ "I just want to make sure that this sensation really is hunger before i go and eat... " Emma Obita You Tube

Jul 3, 2009, 09:16 AM	#19
~~RE III - Frankie~~ BANNED Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Castle Mansion Paradise 113 Posts: 1,200 Rep Power: 0	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Vista is it as far as I'm concerned too. XP can go to Hell though. As for Windows 7? It isn't out yet, but from I've seen it ain't much ado about nothin' either.

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comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 3,335 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares still on XP and not planning to move mind you. __________________ "It is doubtful how DRM could reduce piracy and there no way it can boost games sales either"

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Optix DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 106 Rep Power: 5 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Now that I look back, it's a good thing I didn't sign up for the Vista test to complete my certificate.

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Lelisevis Howlin at the moon Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sunderland, UK Posts: 1,655 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Vista's dead? I bloody well hope not after the piss about i've just had installing UT3 on Win7, editing DX files and when I finally get it working I get no bloody menus...argghh, it could drive a man to drink...erm if he wasn't drunk already. Still at least NWN2 works ok, ok so that doesnt work either. I give up lol, back to vista for me until either I sober up or I have the time and patience to fix the problems. Here's hoping the issues are fixed for release. __________________ Im not dead

Jul 4, 2009, 07:27 PM	#29
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares Thanks for the feedback man and yes it is important to drink lots of fluids in the summer __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

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isaak should be working :( Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 792 Rep Power: 19 System Specs	Re: Vista's dead: Microsoft kills an OS and no one cares I was just getting to like it __________________