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Feb 5, 2008, 10:33 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Why Users Hate Vista
Source: PC World
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You rarely hear about a new OS causing people to panic. But IT consultant Scott Pam says that's exactly what his small-business clients are doing when they install Windows Vista on new PCs and run smack into compatibility or usability roadblocks.
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Feb 5, 2008, 11:00 PM
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DriverHeaven Newbie
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: USA
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I have said this before. Main people who dont like Vista is simply because they dont like change.. human nature. As this study identified XP has become and extension of this persons personality and so when they change to Vista suddenly everything "feels" uncomfortable.
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Feb 5, 2008, 11:24 PM
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Pax Modder, Pax Expert
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: S.S. Marie, Mi
Posts: 4,503
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I wish MS make DX 10 work with xp then it be perfect world everone be happy lol. I still don't know if I even want vista I'm happy with xp right now  Iria what time you go bed? lol keep up good work.
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Feb 5, 2008, 11:29 PM
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In Fedor We Trust
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ottawa , Canada
Posts: 3,853
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I've spent more time watching Apple ads mocking Vista than actually using my copy of Vista Ultimate
The gaming performance in Xp is the clincher for me.
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Feb 6, 2008, 02:00 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Uk
Posts: 8,325
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hahaha source : PC WORLD lol... seeing that alone made me refuse to read the artical.
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Feb 6, 2008, 02:06 AM
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Simian Masterpiece!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London, Ont. Canada
Posts: 299
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Psh, I love Windows Vista.
But, initially I was taken in by its good looks... now, I don't even really know. It's mostly about how nice it feels in contrast to XP. XP is so boring-feeling, and Aero just makes my computer go *whee*.
Anyway... aside from that, Crysis looks great in DX10. I love that too.
Going back to XP'll never happen for me... Vista's a winner, and clicking on that start menu at the bottom right, with the cute little blue bubble makes my day every day.
Yepp... I love you Microsoft.
You're so cute.... yes you are... red, green, yellow, and blue are my new patriotic colours. 
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Feb 6, 2008, 02:28 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,501
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I had Vista for a long time and now... gave up. It's just too clumsy and sluggish whereas XP runs fine on my systems.
It's pretty and I liked some of the features but in the end, speed > all.
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Feb 6, 2008, 04:31 AM
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DH Administrator
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 4,550
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I think Vista's experience comes down to what you're running it on, When I first bought it I ran it on an old AMD 3500+ and it seemed terrible, good in what it was trying to do, but just unwilling.
The story changed when I changed to a Core2 Duo it was like a new piece of software, but I still reached areas that trawled, no more than XP did in places tho. But now it's cruising and XP is never leaving its CD case at my house.
my2c.
Craig
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Feb 6, 2008, 04:33 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,663
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Anderson likened the reaction to XP's impending demise to what happened in the 1980s when Coca-Cola replaced its classic Coke formula with New Coke, causing massive protests by customers who had no reason to change what they drank. The protests forced the company to bring back what we now call Coke Classic. "XP has come to the point of being Coke Classic," he said, with Vista playing the role of New Coke.
That, just about sums that "article" up. classic, for all the wrong reasons. I personally would actually call Vista "Jolt supercharged Cola". Xp running eight core systems is considerably slower due to the older multicore kernal support. Vista x64 is the only OS I would use now for multicore support as well as better memory management especially in systems with 4gb+ far less fragmentation. This and the fact that a lot of the aspects of Vista people complain about can be TURNED off... I wish these industry journalists were a little more founded in the technical side of things rather than ranting on about a default out of the box solution because they can't work out how to customise it.
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Feb 6, 2008, 04:46 AM
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Administrator
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Cloaked
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I cant remember the last time i had any sort of problem with vista. All of the systems I use run it and all of our reviews are performed on it... never causes any issues and I really think it is excellent in my everyday use.
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Feb 6, 2008, 05:12 AM
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Hezbollah supporter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gefle, Sweden
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I'm sorta glad that I can run Vista x64 even if I have to press F8 at every bootup, but while I can't say that I hate it I don't expect to truly like Vista even if the final version of SP1 is what it's supposed to be. For me it's completely understandable that XP sales have been rising over the last six months. The average user won't have the system it takes to really make Vista fly, and with all the "little" bugs and misfeatures even having such a system doesn't equal a good experience.
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Feb 6, 2008, 05:31 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,663
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why do you have to hit F8 at every bootup?
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Feb 6, 2008, 05:37 AM
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Hezbollah supporter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gefle, Sweden
Posts: 3,157
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That unsigned driver block that can't be turned off anymore.
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Feb 6, 2008, 06:16 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,663
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oh yeah the 64 bit OS added extra. I am lucky I am not using any unsigned drivers mind you. which is the problem driver for you mkk?
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Feb 6, 2008, 06:20 AM
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Mars
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,927
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardon
oh yeah the 64 bit OS added extra. I am lucky I am not using any unsigned drivers mind you. which is the problem driver for you mkk?
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Unless I missed something, doesn't rivatuner still need unsigned driver support?
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Feb 6, 2008, 06:55 AM
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DriverHeaven Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 16
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yeah rivatuner still needs unsigned driver support, I use ready boot so i don't have to hit F8 every time. You can find it here.
Uhlikova osobná stránka - ReadyDriver (EN)
It automaticly hits F8 and turns off driver signing
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Feb 6, 2008, 07:25 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,663
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelig
Unless I missed something, doesn't rivatuner still need unsigned driver support?
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only if the drivers aren't WHQL.
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Feb 6, 2008, 07:26 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,663
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizen
yeah rivatuner still needs unsigned driver support, I use ready boot so i don't have to hit F8 every time. You can find it here.
Uhlikova osobná stránka - ReadyDriver (EN)
It automaticly hits F8 and turns off driver signing
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Really? thats most strange im using rivatuner with an nvidia set and I can get access to all the functions, such as fan speed etc and I don't get any alerts. Great link you shared, Didn't even know that application was out.
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Feb 6, 2008, 08:36 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,501
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Quote:
Originally Posted by craig5320
I think Vista's experience comes down to what you're running it on
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That's for sure... Both my PCs are dual cores but Vista still bogs them down... And while it might be better for 8 or 16 core PCs, I think that accounts for less than 0.1% of the PC world at the moment.
It's just not as "streamlined" as I want.
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Feb 6, 2008, 09:29 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,663
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandok
That's for sure... Both my PCs are dual cores but Vista still bogs them down... And while it might be better for 8 or 16 core PCs, I think that accounts for less than 0.1% of the PC world at the moment.
It's just not as "streamlined" as I want.
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I don't agree at all, I have seen improvements with dual core and quad core cpus on many levels, and I have done extensive testing with this. If you have 2GB of ram in vista and you set it up right it can now be faster than XP (it wasn't at launch).
Underlying in Vista there are some improvements to the kernal, while vista uses more ram on startup if you hit the sweet spot with 2gb it actually manages it better than XP, there are also improvements with offloading processes to multiple cores. I could go on, but im finding that public persception on Vista is unfortunately being clouded by two groups of people. those who are quite happy with XP and unwilling to try something new and those who are reading a lot of poorly written articles on tech sites. I would love to know the percentage of these articles which are written based on illegal and poorly cracked Vista images also, I know at least 2, but ill not get into that in public either.
I agree running an old single core processor with 1gb or less of memory is not going to get the best out of Vista compared to XP but I think this particular audience on our site is very small. This is in fact why all our game testing and hardware testing is via the new OS. We need to move with the times, we all want DX10 gaming, I know I do, and that will improve across this year, ive seen some killer behind the scenes code coming to your screens in the not too distant future.
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Feb 6, 2008, 09:51 AM
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Anti-Piracy Poster Boy
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,370
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I upgraded to vista and I'm never looking back. I'm actually kicking myself for not getting vista on my laptop that I bought 6 months ago, opting for xp instead. I guess that's what I get for listening to news sites and know-it-alls who don't know a thing about computers or haven't touched a copy of vista for more than 10 minutes.
Lucky for me some of the more missed features, like breadcrumbs in the explorer bar, have been created as software for xp.
QuizoApps: QTAddressBar
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Feb 6, 2008, 09:58 AM
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DH Administrator
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 4,550
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I think vista is an operating system for the next gen, you can't expect MS to make an OS with all the bells and whistles and run's perfectly on hardware 2/3yrs old. It run's good on a dual core E6600 and above with aero, if you're running less than that then turn off aero or even go to classic and i'm sure you're sluggishness will for the best part be solved.
Vista is going to be with us for the next 8 years at least, and I'd rather have the bells and whistles so in 5 years time on my 32 core monster machine I can enjoy them.
XP is more than 7years old now, that's as old as Windows 95 when XP launched. I remember trying to run XP on my Athlon 800 and it wasn't such a happy bunny, it's no different now.
My hardware was all out a year before Vista launched and it runs Vista fine. If you have basic hardware, use Vista Basic. 
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Feb 6, 2008, 10:57 AM
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DH's Asteroids' Dominator
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK and Hellas, mostly
Posts: 4,924
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