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Oh no... what have I done?
Well, I think my PC may have died, not sure how, not sure why. I rewired it only to tidy up the wires- then I get nothing but beeps out of the mobo-- Strange, was working great before. Do Abit's have beep codes? I'm not any where near my PC, and won't be for a couple days, when I get back I won't have internet access at all until I get it fixed. So if you don't hear from me, you'll know why....
I'm thinking power supply, but I've been running a dual PSU setup for a long time- and it's worked great. All I can think is that I crossed some wires somehow, but I don't think I did- I'm very careful. Both lights come on at the bottom of the mobo (green and red), but then the damn thing just beeps, then it doesn't then it beeps.. beep, pause, beep, pause, beep, pause. Long beeps too... I thought maybe I had an IDE cable backwards or something, but I checked, and I didn't. Then I though I had something completely messed up in the wiring of the dual PSU's, but I checked every single one (about 50) and they were all good. The I took every wire and molex connector about of the case to start over- and then I had to leave.. I've been saving for part for that thing for months, now this.. Bran new OCZ ram in it too- I hope nothing is damaged. I'm always very careful about static and everything. Hopefully I can clear the cmos and start up with on stick of ram, and no fans connected, and maybe just one PSU to get it to boot into the BIOS at least.. Other wise it beats the hell out of me what happened... I'm gonna be rebuilding this PC I'm typing on all day tomorrow after long hours of backing up data, then I'll be reinstalling XP. Hopefully someone will have some clue as to what it could possible be. I might be able to respond later on today. Cross your fingers, I am.
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If you're careful with static and didn't smell any burnt plastic, especially white/black smoke. Then you shouldn't've fried any thing. However, you never know. Wish you luck on the debugging. Sux to reconnect after you rewire.
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Good luck! My fingers are crossed!
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ive had an abit die on me recently. check the wiring and your connections - turn off the power (leave it off for a few minutes), pull out the battery, reset cmos. then try one stick of ram (if you have two).
I used to love abit, now im not so sure
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.....first revisions.... i've learned to try and stay away enless i know for sure...
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Reseat your heatsink, make sure there's nothing between the heatsink and the cpu.
^ what fixed my no-bootup problems with the NF7-S 2.0 ( also had the same beeps ).
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Zardon, how goes that RMA?
A single beep code.... make sure the power going to your video card is good and reseat your RAM. |
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'll try them all. I do have 2 sticks o ram- so I'm going to start with just one, without a dual PSU setup, and with no PCI cards. I didn't have time to clear cmos before I left, so that might be all it needed...
It was OC'd from default 1533 to 2150mhz at the time, with I think a 206 or 208mhz FSB... I can t blame this one on Abit though- you would all laugh very hard if you saw what I was running in that box- it looked like spagetti. I don't have time now, but after I get it back up and running I will try to describe what kind of overkill I was putting the 2 PSU's through.. Basically, I need to get a quality PSU, and I think w/ that, I will still run a dual PSU, but I will solder up a custom wire harness to avoid all the ridiculous Molex connectors.. Actually, after i rewired it, I did have a few more devices conected to the main PSU for neatness, and it was probably to weak to handle it.. I think I'll get a Sparkle Power, I just finished building up this PC I'm on right now, and it's working excellent w/ a 250w sparkle Power. Rails are solid- running 1800xp with stock cooler -AS ceramique, 768mb ram (2 sticks), Geforce 2 GTS, DVD, CDRW, 30 gig WD, 0ne 80mm case fan. All default voltages and speed - I could OC this thing, but no need. It's a large step up from my mom's 750mhz socket A athlon, FIC AZ11, and 256mb pc100. This thing is snappy enough. So if a little Sparkle 250 can take this with stride (and I'm sure I could OC)- I bet a 500w will be fine for my rig. Well, Monday or Tuesday I will know if something died, no smoke, no burnt smells, so I should be OK.
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..that's sparkle 250 will push it.. good PSU.... but it's probably maxed out... if not working as hard as it can....i wouldn't want to run it to long with that..
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Nothing is fried, but something definitely happened. I have everything running stock right now, all it needed was cmos clear, BUT, when I tried to boot up from the same HD I was running (WD 40gig ATA100 7200rpm) I got the: "Invalid system disk" error. As soon as I see that, I put in the startup disk to check out the partitions. Everything is fine. I take out the IDE cable to my hard drive and chack all the connections, then I look a little closer and see a small hole in the cable insulation on the IDE cable.. It isn't all the way through the wire, and none of the wires are cut- I think that must be the problem so I replace it with an old round cable I have and still the error. At this point I think maybe the cable messed up my boot sector or something so I put in an old slow 6gig hard drive I have in a box with an XP installation for this exact reason.. I boot up with that drive and everything is fine, so now I'm going to try to run this drive as master and the original drive as slave so I can save my email messages and IE favorites before I repair the installation. All my other info is on a separate partition, so that should be fine if it's still there. I still can't figure out what happened, but the small tear in the IDE cable probobly messed up the info on the disk somehow. Now if I could only repair it without losing info i would be all set. Last time I tried I couldn't run that disk drive in slave mode with this one (the 6gig) in master mode for some reason.. The only thing I would really want to save is my IE favorites and my outlook express messages- I know I could do that if I could get the 40gig running in slave mode. I hope I can get it to work, then I'll probably just do a quick repair and update, and all will be back to normal..
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Oh, and I'm buying a new PSU as soon as possible too, I just have to find a good deal somewhere. I'm still going to run a dual PSU setup, but forget all the damn molex splitters, I am going to solder up a custom wire harness for my PC from now on. I have wire, and have solder, I have a solder gun, there isn't any reason to have all those big ugly molex extentions all over my case.
I got 2 new Tt 80mm blue led smartfans I'm using in the case like these and I have two 92mm fans and then 2 regular 80mm fans in the case. I also have some other blue cold cathode lights and whatnot, and all those things will be run by the second PSU- I'll just have the mobo, 9700p, HD, CD, and CPU cooler fan connected to the main PSU- all the fans and crap on the second one. After I get a Thermaltake cooler for the CPU, I'm gonna use one of the Tt smartfans on that. Hopefully no more crazy problems like this will happen after I get a good quality PSU for my main one.
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connect only the 40gig disk as master. boot direct with the floppy, and select the 1st (1st choice on boot menu) partition when booting, if not, try the 2nd partition and so on, you should be able to boot into XP, after that you can make a new boot.ini... |
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-the xp1800+ Palamino w/ stock cooler, AMD761 Gigabyte ga7dx+ mobo, DVD,CDrw, HD, Geforce2 GTS, sound card, ethernet, one 80mm fan. It's rails are the most stable I've ever seen, they don't move at all, ever. I think I would rather have that sparkle 250 than any generic "500". I plan on letting that PSU run that sytem for the next 3 or 4 years, and the PSU is already 3 or 4 years old- But I think it's up to the task. But anyway, For my PSU I'm looking at NewEgg right now, I'm trying to find the best PSU for the money- the +12v rail is the most important to me, but noise and accessories are also something to think about. Maybe if I get one with a high enough 12v rail rating, I won't need to run a dual PSU at all. But it would have to be pretty strong, I run many fans and I like to run blue cold cathodes, it just seems stupid to run all that stuff off the same rail my CPU is powered from, whether the PSU can handle it or not. Here are some I am looking at Sparkle: 550w MODEL FSP550-60PLG Output: +3.3V@27A,+5V@29A,-5V@0.3A,+12V@36A,-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@2A $90 460w MODEL FSP460-60PFN Output: +3.3V@27A,+5V@29A,-5V@0.3A,+12V@15A,-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@2A $79 Antec: 550w Output: +3.3V@32A;+5V@40A;-5V@0.5A;+12V@36A;-12V@1A;+5VSB@2A $100 480w +3.3V@30A;+5V@38A;-5V@0.5A;+12V@22A;-12V@1.0A;+5VSB@2A $79 Enermax: 470w Noistaker Output: +3.3V@34A;+5V@40A;+12V@16A;-12V@0.8A;+5VSB@2.5A Special Features: Smart fan, Separate 12V rails, S-ATA connectors, Extra Power connector, Copper-shielding Has two 12v rails- plus extra features. $90 100 doolars is pushing it for me right now, so higher price models would be nice, but are out of the question- It's tough, any of these would probably do just fine, but lower prices are better, and I don't really think I need a 550w PSU, but it couldn't hurt. Then again, the Enermax is probably going be nice and quiet, the fans stay on for a few minutes after shutdown, it has separate 12volt rails, and is future proof. I know some people don't like enermax as much as Antec, but this PSU looks pretty nice.. edit- or would I be better off finding any PSU with Active PFC at the best price I can? It seems like that funtion would be a great one to have..
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system properties\advanced tab\startup and recovery\settings\system starup and edit button- then changing whatever is in there to : [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Micro soft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect -or is there another way to do it? I have never actually had to do this before. (I have no idea why this forum keeps putting the "S" in WINDOWS in a new line- but you know what I mean..
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modify folder option, so you can view hidden files, then you can see the boot.ini file on your C:\
if the file is not there, create a new one by typing in this command on the Run box and hit enter. notepad c:\boot.ini click OK when asked for create a new file, then just copy/paste the info into the file and save it on exit. if the file is there, run the same command, the command will open the present boot.ini file, delete everything in there, then copy/paste the new info into it and save it on exit. Now, what's the boot.ini file info you should use?? depending on your HDD/system configs, you'll have to tell me.. if your setups is using one disk one partition as same as the 6gig setups, you can copy the file onto a floppy or something and use the info or you can replace it with this one. sorry for the bad link, here's - problem with windows note-- booting from the floppy wont cause any damage to your files nor more prob to your HDD partition than you've alrady had, all it'll do is to help your PC to boot into XP by using boot files from floppy during booting then using the rest of system files on your HDD..., ------------------- if you can boot the XP on the 40gig with the floppy disk, then changing or create a new boot.ini file, and reboot with no prob then it is okay. but if you cant boot it then you'll need to use your mentioned method to get your files from the disk. try it and see... here's hows the boot.ini looks - for one disk one partition setups ![]() i've this pic up on the other thread.. if you use XP Pro just change Home edition to Professional.. Last edited by Net; Feb 25, 2004 at 05:49 AM. |
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If I hade to choose i would go for the Enermax,
outputs look very good, and the separate connectors who knows when they come in handy or needed Sparkle: 550w MODEL FSP550-60PLG Output: +3.3V@27A,+5V@29A,-5V@0.3A,+12V@36A,-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@2A $90 460w MODEL FSP460-60PFN Output: +3.3V@27A,+5V@29A,-5V@0.3A,+12V@15A,-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@2A $79 these 2 look much the same, so what is the difference
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Here is the 550w pic it looks like it has a larger capacity, but in one rail. The Enermax doesn't just have a separate power conecter- it has a totally separate 12v rail for the mobo/cpu/and PCI deviced, and another 12v rail rail for fans and crap- as seen here - I think that is a great idea, and probably will reduce the need for a second PSU- that is why I always like to use a dual PSU setup- to keep fans and cold cathodes off the 12v rail- I guess Enermax thought the same thing- It looks like the Sparke 460 has the dual 12v rails too- I'll have to check the product link to see. But the enermax has some other cool things like cooldown, extra power outlet (like you said), quiet smart fans, copper emi sheilding. But it is expensive compared to the Sparkle..
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OH, well yes...
I think that is a smart move from Enermax"Separate 12V rails:Independent 12V rails supply to MB/CPU and drives in order to provide stable and clean current to noise-sensitive devices, such as: CPU, add-on cards.Meet UL 240VA safety requirements" go for it i'd say, I would
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C is main, I think the second is G (or was G) and it is about 1 gig, I use it for page file only, then there is the D partition for storage. I used partition manager to vreat the small "G" partition after the system was already up and running a few months ago- that's why it has that letter- I have a CDrw that took up the "F" letter.. I guess I'll see if I can create that floppy and boot up into windows, and see what that boot.ini file looks like, if it looks ok, then I wonder why the drive won't boot? If it is messed up looking, I'll try to figure out what to replace it with. Thanks, I hope this works..
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don't think it matters how many partiton there are on disk 0
i only looks for the boot drive.. or did i misunderstand this: here's hows the boot.ini looks - for one disk one partition setups anyway they all are much the same for disk 0 this is my boot ini with 3 partions on it: timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microso ft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect |
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That makes sense though, sinse it is only pointing to the partition w/ the OS on it... Now I need to figure this out- i suggest you to make an XP custom boot disk. just incase you cant do a regular boot so you can use this floppy disk to boot XP... so do it now when you can! format a floppy within the CMD window (Start/Run/cmd) put a floppy disk in drive and using this command "format a: /u" (no "" when typing) then make a custom boot.ini file from below and place the file along with NTLDR, NTDETECT (files off your C:\ or the system drive) in the formatted disk. how to make a custom boot.ini--> open notepad and copy/paste the below in it and save the file as boot.ini code:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [boot loader] timeout=-1 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, first partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, second partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, third partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, fourth partition" /sos C:\="Previous Operating System on C:\" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- make sure this will be in one line (No Wrap) and no empty space in front of the line code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\ WINDOWS-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- here's more info about this XP custom boot disk (not for XP installation - use it for booting only) quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- how to guard against a situation when it is not possible to start Windows or any other operating system on your computer. This situation can occur when the boot record for the active partition or files that are required to start Windows becomes corrupted To guard against this situation, create a WinXP boot disk when you first install Windows on the computer. This boot disk contains only the files that are necessary to start the OS with the remainder of the Windows system files installed on the hard disk drive. Use the following procedure to create this disk: Place a blank floppy disk in drive A, and format the disk by using Windows XP. From the root folder of the system partition of your hard disk drive (for example, C:\-), copy the following files to the floppy disk: Boot.ini NTLDR Ntdetect.com You may have to remove the hidden, system, and read-only attributes from the files. Restore the hidden, system, and read-only attributes to the files on your hard disk if you removed these attributes. If either the Bootsect.dos or the Ntbootdd.sys file resides in the system partition, also use the procedure that is described in steps 2 through 4 to copy these files to the boot disk. If you format a floppy disk in Windows XP, the boot record points to the NTLDR file. When NTLDR runs, it loads the available operating system selections from the Boot.ini file. If you select Windows, NTLDR runs Ntdetect.com, and then passes control to Osloader.exe. If you select MS-DOS or OS/2, NTLDR loads Bootsect.dos. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and here's the boot.ini file for 2 HDDs systems or having XP on the 2nd HDD. (for the custom made boot disk only) code:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [boot loader] timeout=-1 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, first partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, second partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, third partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, fourth partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, first partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, second partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, third partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, fourth partition" /sos C:\="Previous Operating System on C:\" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AND make sure I do it right-
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if the XP is in the 1st partition of your HDD, when you boot into XP you should see the boot.ini looks the same as the pic. if not, modify it and then reboot.
use this guide so you can understand better... make sure to change WINNT to WINDOWS http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/?P...1a5fe1b9631500 |
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this will do, you'll see 4 partiton (choices) on the boot menu when booting..
select the 1st one to boot into XP. Code:
[boot loader] timeout=-1 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, first partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, second partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, third partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, fourth partition" /sos C:\="Previous Operating System on C:\" |
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no matter how many partitions you have on the boot disk or the other diska, as long as the XP 'boot files' and 'system files' are both in the same partition and it is the 1st partition of the boot disk. then your boot.ini should looks as same as the pic that i posted...
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[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Micro soft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect I can't see any difference...
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Well I'm trying to create the boot disk, I formatted it with the command which worked, but I cannot uncheck the "hidden" attribute from the files. I can uncheck the other attributes, just not the hidden.
I think I will try to boot in safe mode and see if I can change the file attributes and copy them to the floppy.. If that doesn't work I guess I'll just coppy them and see if it works..
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and here's the boot.ini for this floppy... [boot loader] timeout=-1 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, first partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, second partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, third partition" /sos multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, fourth partition" /sos C:\="Previous Operating System on C:\" --------------------------- and this will be your boot.ini flie for the XP.. Quote:
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Yes it works! In fact just to test it out I put the floppy in and set to boot from floppy in my bios, Then I restarted and booted into XP.. This is all still on the old 6gig though, I am going to try it on my non-bootable HD now.
Hope it works, I know the boot disk works. Thanks for the help- If this doesn't work, maybe I will be able to set the 40 gig as a slave and go into the C: drive and save my files that way.
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Fortron w/ Active PFC 550w also looks like it has 2 separate +12v rails. A review of an older Fortron was very high- beating Enermax and Antec in some cases here - I never really heard of them either, but it seems like a great deal. I need to find some more recent reviews I think. edit- I think this will solve all my PSU problems..... True Control 550 Man- another good PSU that looks like a great deal. Soyo dragon 400 adjustable w/ front panel- Hmm, I dunno - The Antec looks like a future proof PSU though.
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