[URWORSTENEMY]

Ive just upgraded to a new AMD XP2400 from a 2100XP
My problem is that my system only sees it as an Athlon XP2000+ running at 2.02GHz
added to that is the FSB which it rates at 2x101MHz (202MHz data rate)
My mobo is a Asus A7V266-E
and im completely in the dark as to how to sort this problem out

Ive checked the jumpers, flashed the BIOS to enable it to run up to the 2600XP, ive manually adjusted the setting within the BIOS
but when i set the FSB to 133MHz the system just doesnt boot up

Any help much appreciated


nme

[Necrosis]

I don't know that board very well so I maybe shooting some blanks at you...

1. Have you tried clearing CMOS?

2. Is there some kind of jumper you might need to set on the MB?

[URWORSTENEMY]

Originally posted by Necrosis
I don't know that board very well so I maybe shooting some blanks at you...

1. Have you tried clearing CMOS?
Not sure how to do this any ideas??
How would it be connected to this problem??

2. Is there some kind of jumper you might need to set on the MB?
Ive looked at the jumper setup and they dont seem to need adjusting
According to the manual they are in the correct positions (Pages 18 & 19 of manual)


nme

[shuki]

On my a7v-133 to clear the cmos I had to short two point by hand (well flat head screwdriver actually) two points are right by the batter and have like CLR CMOS beside them.

BUT... I don't know of any 266 chipset mobos that support 13+ multi's. And by default I'm sure that the xp2400 is higher than 13x multi. SO.... you need to unlock the chip or maybe your board will be really nice blessing (yeah right) and let you change the multi on it as is. Either way, don't think the 266 chipset supports anything over 13x multi

edit - I see your BIOS version 1010 added xp2200 suppport and 1011 (latest) added xp2600 support. one would assume the 2400 would be supported to since its in between but......?? See if you can drop the multi down to 13x133 and see if it'll boot.

[shuki]

oh yeah, you should set up that board as JUMPER FREE (pg 17). then do it all from BIOS.

edit - clear your RAM by that jumper on pg 24

[URWORSTENEMY]

shuki can you explain how the multiplier affects my CPU
Im not at home atm but if i remember correctly i believe my multi was set at 20x and was locked out unless i selected Manual under CPU Speed!!
Could this setting be too high for the 2400XP

PS: I am already running with the 1011 BIOS. I flashed my original BIOS because it didnt support above 2200XP


nme

[shuki]

cpu frequency (speed) is fsb x the multiplier. Lets take your xp2400 as an example. It comes clocked at 2Ghz. It is a 266Mhz chip so it runs an fsb half that which = 133. So if we take 2000 (2Ghz) and divide by 133 we end up with what the multiplier is supposed to be.... 15. So by default your xp2400 should be set at 133 multiplied (hence "multiplier") by 15. 133x15=2000. Now if you're saying the multi was at 20 that would make sense if it was a 100 fsb because 100x20=2000 or stock xp2400 speed. Now if you try to change only fsb then essentially you are trying to boot up at 133x20=2660 or 2.6Ghz. You need to go to manual and set multi at 15 then fsb at 133 for your stock 2Ghz xp2400.

also I see that only pcb 1.11 a7v-266e mobos support the xp2400.... so not all a7v-266's support the xp2400. see here

[URWORSTENEMY]

As ive said many times before

shuki, you are da man!!!

Ive set the multiplier at x15 and im now reading a 134MHz fsb (268MHz)

Thanx again for the help and quick response buddy


PS: Any ideas on why its still reading the CPU as a XP2000+


nme

[URWORSTENEMY]

shuki ive just pushed the fsb to 140MHz and its booting up fine
Is this recommended or am i in any danger of damaging my system


nme

[shuki]

where is it reporting it an xp2000? rt. click my computer->properties->general. What does it say there? also, run WCPUID (search google or PM me and I'll email it to you) and see what wcpuid reports.....

and 140fsb x 15 = 2100 welcome to you first baby step in the world of Overclocking Hit 145x15 and you'll be at 2130 and xp2600 speeds You wont hurt anything you'll just not boot up windows, corrupt windows and have to reinstall it all again, be out of spec on BIOS and have to clear it and reset your settings,...... really a whole number of things can happen as you speed increases!! You'll probably be fine up until about 145 or so.. Just keep an eye on your cpu temp. Suggest motherboard monitor 5

[Beaon]

directX will also read your athlon speed.
start > run > dxdiag in the command line

also older boards may require a bios flash to support newer processors. The bios settings are hardcoded into the cmos and require a memory flash. You should be able to get instructions on how to flash your bios from your motherboard manufacturers website. If your Bios is to old it wont necesarily NOT run the processor, Instead it will run it as fast as it will go. So if your bios only supports a processor as fast as 2000 it will only run at 2000. But usually getting the latest bios drivers fix's this problem

2400+ xp specs
a 2400 xp athlon runs 2.0ghz speed or 2000mhz and 266fsb. Recomended voltage 1.6, 1.65
Max die temp. or core, 90celcius

Your bios should have a processor frequency of 133mhz

Double check to and see where you saw the 2000, did it say 2000mhz? or 2000 XP

an Athlon 2000 XP only runs at 1667mhz or 1.6ghz. Use direct X to check your processor speed. Start, Run, type "DxDiag"
on the main menu it will tell you the processor speed. If your running at 1.6ghz-1.7ghz your processor settings are wrong.
If it shows your speed at 2ghz or 2000mhz your processor settings are correct.

Difference between RISC and CISC
For those who dont know yet..
CISC-Complex Instruction Set Chip, The most commonly used CISCs are Intel Pentium Processors. Complex meaning it runs every single instruction in the system almost to a redundant amount. Some argue that a CISC setup gets increased preformance when it comes to multitasking. I dont personally beleive this but your free to beleive what you want.

RISC-Reduced Instruction Set Chip, The most commonly used RISCs are the Athlon XP's. Reduced meaning it does not run all the redundant or repetative process's that a CISC runs. Some Argue that this RISC type of setup has more preformane then a CISC type. I have to agree.
Because of the fact its reduced on the number of instructions it runs, it can run more instructions it needs to.
Tests have shown that an Athlon 2200 or 1.8ghz actually preform the same as an Intel 2.2ghz processor.
Even though the clock speed is slower on the athlon it preforms just as fast as a CISC that is running 4ghz faster.

So this is why everyone goes for an AMD for the power =). I personally have noticed no multitasking preformance loss over using an AMD as opposed to using an intel. My Amd processor has exceeded my expectations in my benchmarking, gaming, and large scale multitasking. And i only have a 2200 =). My next upgrade i plan to buy a 2700 or a 3k.

ne how have fun and enjoy.

[URWORSTENEMY]

Thanx for the insight guys
Ive certainly gained alot having resolved this problem
Beaon nice touch with the directx diagnostic tool however, it does see my CPU as a 2000XP running at 2.1GHz!!!
My bios is the current new updated version with support up to 2600XP
shuki my system also reads my CPU as a 2000XP running 2.1GHz (rt. click my computer->properties->general)
I also run a diagnostic app called SiSoft Sandra 2003 and it also claims my CPU is a 2000XP running 2.1GHz!!
My CPU temps are well down as ive quite a good heatsink and fan fitted (45C atm)
I use Asus's own Probe app or SiSoft Sandra to read the temps

The CPU name aint such a great problem, although i would like it to read it as a 2400XP
I know you guys will sort this one out, ive every faith in you


nme

[shuki]

only thing I can credit to to is your asus BIOS giving the wrong signal. I would try that clear CMOS jumper again and reset all BIOS settings to how you like then see what happens. If its still xp2000 so what I suppose as long as its running 2.1Ghz

[URWORSTENEMY]

I never did clear cmos
To do this must i have the PC on or off?


nme

[Vampyromaniac]

Originally posted by Beaon
Difference between RISC and CISC
For those who dont know yet..
CISC-Complex Instruction Set Chip, The most commonly used CISCs are Intel Pentium Processors. Complex meaning it runs every single instruction in the system almost to a redundant amount. Some argue that a CISC setup gets increased preformance when it comes to multitasking. I dont personally beleive this but your free to beleive what you want.

RISC-Reduced Instruction Set Chip, The most commonly used RISCs are the Athlon XP's. Reduced meaning it does not run all the redundant or repetative process's that a CISC runs. Some Argue that this RISC type of setup has more preformane then a CISC type. I have to agree.
Because of the fact its reduced on the number of instructions it runs, it can run more instructions it needs to.
Tests have shown that an Athlon 2200 or 1.8ghz actually preform the same as an Intel 2.2ghz processor.
Even though the clock speed is slower on the athlon it preforms just as fast as a CISC that is running 4ghz faster.

. . . not so.
AlthonXP is just like Pentium4, close to CISC. (Consider all the MMX, SSE, SSE-II, 3dNow! instructions added . . . no way they're RISC )

Here is a great article on the erosion of RISC and CISC concepts, and how current CPU's don't entirely fit into either category.

In the end, I'm not calling the Athlon or P6 "RISC," but I'm also not calling them "CISC" either. The same goes for the G3 and G4, in reverse. Indeed, in light of what we now know about the the historical development of RISC and CISC, and the problems that each approach tried to solve, it should now be apparent that both terms are equally nonsensical when applied to the G3, G4, MIPS, P6, or K7. In today's technological climate, the problems are different, so the solutions are different. Current architectures are a hodge-podge of features that embody a variety of trends and design approaches, some RISC, some CISC, and some neither. In the post-RISC era, it no longer makes sense to divide the world into RISC and CISC camps. Whatever "RISC vs. CISC" debate that once went on has long been over, and what must now follow is a more nuanced and far more interesting discussion that takes each platform--hardware and software, ISA and implementation--on its own merits.

[Zardon]

how did your benches increase urworst after the FSB increase?

[URWORSTENEMY]

big increase on 3DMark2001SE
approximately 2000 pts

plus an extra 250 on 3DMark2003
check under me siggy for stats on both

I tried to up the fsb to 145 but my system refused to boot
Im happy running it at 140MHz, ill leave the 'oc'ing to the professionals


nme

[Zardon]

check your 3dmark2003 project ID, its not valid.... you need to update it.

[shai]

about why a xp 2200 can be as fast as p4 2.2ghz
its becuse the pipes in the axp are 11
and in p4 20
thus the p4 has more mhz(helps sells)
and athlon has less
p4 can do less things for 1 mhz
while axp can do more