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Old Nov 28, 2008, 07:15 AM   #31
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

Noise after ~1 hour of use, Tiger 10.4.11 / SB Live! 5.1 PCI based cards/10k1

It is better than 1.2B0 driver.

realplayer some of players is not sound!
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 07:19 AM   #32
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

It is web of flash player , noise after 1 hours use
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 07:25 AM   #33
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

Some time it is not sound! (KX SB0102 10K1[9400] pci card driver)
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 07:30 AM   #34
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

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OK, I hear test signal sound in Analog Rear after connections (not headphones)
Sorry, I think you misunderstand... We want to know which connection does give sound to your headphones, so if the setup in the picture does not, then you should disconnect the connections between the 'vol' plugin and 'epilog', and make new connections to the next pair of pins on epilog that you want to test (i.e. LD Headphone pins, and if that gives no sound, then move to the next pair, etc).
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 07:59 AM   #35
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

Hmm, maybe I misunderstood your reply...
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OK, I hear test signal sound in Analog Rear after connections (not headphones)
When you said "not headphones", did you mean that you did not get sound in your headphones (which is what I thought you meant), or did you mean the HP pins on epilog?

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no other pair connections give me any sound. Only connection from vol to Rear gives sound... (checked all pairs available in epilog)
Connection from vol to rear gives sound where (headphones?, front speakers? rear speakers?)?

What is that status of the "Toggle Swap Front and Rear" option (if you are getting sound from the front or rear pins, then toggling that option should make a difference)?
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Hmm, maybe I misunderstood your reply...

When you said "not headphones", did you mean that you did not get sound in your headphones (which is what I thought you meant), or did you mean the HP pins on epilog?


Connection from vol to rear gives sound where (headphones?, front speakers? rear speakers?)?

What is that status of the "Toggle Swap Front and Rear" option?
It gives sound to headphones ofcourse and toggle swap front and read is ON. OK, since you mentioned Toggle, I turned it OFF and tried all the connections again, now the sound comes from analog Fonrt Left and Front Right (in the headphones ofcourse )

EDIT: I remind you that the issue is 5.1 media not playing main voice (probably not mixing Front Left and Front right with others). Say more like converting 5.1 to 2.0 in realtime for stereo headphone.

Wait a min.... I think Front center plays the voices right? hold on.... I'll check something
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 08:25 AM   #37
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

OK, that makes more sense... When you said "not headphones", I misunderstood what you meant.

So, your Dell headphone jack uses the signal from analog front. So, as I said before, the behavior that you get when watching movies with OSX is expected (assuming that the front and rear are swapped by default with OSX and the default for Surrounder is some multi-speaker mode with Surround enabled).

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With the swapping enabled, rear signal goes to headphones... Regular stereo signals get copied to the rear, thus sounds normal.

Again, you should be able to correct this using kxctrl (or if OSX has another way to change the speaker mapping, that should work too).

As for the behavior you get with kX/Windows, that would require more testing (probably better done in another part of the forum (or by PM)).
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OK, that makes more sense... When you said "not headphones", I misunderstood what you meant.

So, your Dell headphone jack uses the signal from analog front. So, as I said before, the behavior that you get when watching movies with OSX is expected (assuming that the front and rear are swapped by default with OSX and the default for Surrounder is some multi-speaker mode with Surround enabled).

i.e.
With the swapping enabled, rear signal goes to headphones... Regular stereo signals get copied to the rear, thus sounds normal.

Again, you should be able to correct this using kxctrl (or if OSX has another way to change the speaker mapping, that should work too).

As for the behavior you get with kX/Windows, that would require more testing (probably better done in another part of the forum (or by PM)).
Did you check my previous EDIT?
I've a feeling that front center is the problem, and if I mix front center (from surrounder to [(FrontL&R) or (RearL&R)] in epilog, I may get voices however, when I plug OFF headphones, surrounded sound will get spoiled... (in real 5.1 speakers as front center will sound from Front or Rear depending on Toggle switch).

In my case this prob applies to OSX too (though this part is going to be tricky without kx manger ) Anyways, I'll DEL off the extremely unrelated post later

EDIT: I remember To avoid confusion, Eugene changed driver to make speaker sound from right channel in OSX... (meaning remapping channels not required anymore)
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 08:48 AM   #39
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

With 5.1 content and headphones, Surrounder really should be using a 2.0 mode with Surround On (i.e. you want to downmix), otherwise you will always be missing some channels. If front and rear are swapped (and Surrounder is set to 5.1), you will be missing front and center, otherwise you will be missing rear and center.

You best bet with that (until kX for OSX allows more control of Surrounder settings) would be to downmix to 2.0 in software if possible, otherwise you probably would have to use kxctrl to modify some connections (and then you would have to redo them when not using headphones).

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I've a feeling that front center is the problem, and if I mix front center (from surrounder to [(FrontL&R) or (RearL&R)] in epilog, I may get voices however, when I plug OFF headphones, surrounded sound will get spoiled... (in real 5.1 speakers as front center will sound from Front or Rear depending on Toggle switch).
Right, that would be the problem since the center channel only goes to the center output when Surrounder is set to 5.1 mode.

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EDIT: I remember To avoid confusion, Eugene changed driver to make speaker sound from right channel in OSX... (meaning remapping channels not required anymore)
Ahh, good to know. You mentioned that you thought it was the surround channels that you were hearing, thus I figured that the front and rear were swapped too. So then it is just an issue with the center channel (and it is expected behavior).

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With 5.1 content and headphones, Surrounder really should be using a 2.0 mode with Surround On (i.e. you want to downmix), otherwise you will always be missing some channels. If front and rear are swapped (and Surrounder is set to 5.1), you will be missing front and center, otherwise you will be missing rear and center.
Yep, but appearently its not working for me... Shouldn't 5.1 media's (all 6 channels) suppose to get downmixed to 2.0? (in realtime for headphones by core driver)?... hmmm, also for Win version, my surround is ON still voices are out
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 09:18 AM   #41
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

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Yep, but appearently its not working for me... Shouldn't 5.1 media's (all 6 channels) suppose to get downmixed to 2.0? (in realtime for headphones by core driver)?... hmmm, also for Win version, my surround is ON still voices are out
No, kX does not do this, you have to change Surrounder's settings manually when using headphones (the most kX does is mute the speakers when headphones are detected (and I think that only works with headphones connected to LD Headphone jack), it does not automatically reconfigure for headphones and downmix).

As for the Win version, is it set to 2.0 with Surround On (and VCenterA adjusted appropriately)?

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Old Nov 28, 2008, 09:29 AM   #42
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No, kX does not do this, you have to change Surrounder's settings manually when using headphones (the most kX does is mute the speakers when headphones are detected (and I think that only works with headphones connected to LD Headphone jack), it does not automatically downmix).

As for the Win version, is it set to 2.0 with Surround On?
Hmmm, that would be odd logically, I mean who would actually want to set surround to 2.0 specially for headphones everytime? I see that kX does not mute speakers (which is fine) but if someone wants both speakers and headphones at the same time (i once had these moments), it will be difficult Also, imagine the double setting users have to go through (one for setting surround to 2.0 and then 5.1 again after headphones are disconnected physically).

OK, 2.0 will give me sound (as said earlier) but its 5.1 that should be actually giving proper sound upon headphone detection (so kx manager interaction is reduced)
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 09:35 AM   #43
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

AFAIK, that has never been a feature of kX... (maybe Eugene would implement such a feature if asked (I guess using the 2.0 - Surround mix preset), but it would only work if kX can detect when headphones are connected, and as I said previously, I think the HP detection stuff only works (currently) with the LD headphone jack (with kX)).

As for using speakers and HP at same time, in your case, since the HP signal is the same as analog front, if it auto-downmixed, then it would get messed up anyway (i.e. your front speakers would get the mix too).

For people with a Live Drive (thus an independent HP jack), a custom DSP config can be used to downmix for the headphones only, if that is what is wanted.

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AFAIK, that has never been a feature of kX... (maybe Eugene would implement such a feature if asked, but it would only work if kX can detect when headphones are connected, and as I said previously, I think the HP detection stuff only works (currently) with the LD headphone jack (with kX)).

As for using speakers and HP at same time, in your case, since the HP signal is the same as analog front, if it auto-downmixed, then it would get messed up anyway (i.e. your front speakers would get the mix too).

For people with a Live Drive (thus an independent HP jack), a custom DSP config can be used to downmix for the headphones only, if that is what is wanted.
kX surely detects headphones (icon shows up) Certainly, this is not hardcoded hardware that is mainly giving the analog front signal to headphones (CT driver's default downmixing prooves that point). Hopefully future cool drivers (WIN & OSX) may solve something
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

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Certainly, this is not hardcoded hardware that is mainly giving the analog front signal to headphones
Yes, that is exactly what it is... Normally if you do not have a Live Drive, that is where you would connect your headphones (analog front jack). You think it is bad having to open up Surrounder and change the preset... try reaching behind your computer, disconnecting your front speakers, and connecting the headphones every time you want to use headphones (luckily my headset includes a switch so that I do not need to do this, but many people do have to do this).

This does not mean that you cannot downmix to your headphones (of course you can), but you cannot send a separate signal to the front speakers.
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You think it is bad having to open up Surrounder and change the preset... try reaching behind your computer, disconnecting your front speakers, and connecting the headphones every time you want to use headphones (luckily my headset includes a switch so that I do not need to do this, but many people do have to do this).

This does not mean that you cannot downmix to your headphones (of course you can), but you cannot send a separate signal to the front speakers.
Well, its a matter of convenience, CT drivers added it so that people who have the switch can make use of it Its not that big problem, guess I'll use this workaround for long time then... (double setting that is hehe) but I still say it, if its automated, better (not like the world will stop spinning for me)

EDIT2: Just out of curiousity, I checked behind the sound card and I can't find any Mic IN so there is only one for me!? the retail model shows it has mic IN (behind the card) mine has, FireWire + Digital Out + 7.1 anolog out (5 ports aka holes). Damn! This is an OEM built card (thought it was same as retail)
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

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Well, its a matter of convenience
Well of course it is
And, as I said before, maybe E. would add that feature if asked (who knows, maybe he had planned to do so at some point, but currently there really is no headphone specific preset).

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EDIT2: Just out of curiousity, I checked behind the sound card and I can't find any Mic IN so there is only one for me!? the retail model shows it has mic IN (behind the card) mine has, FireWire + Digital Out + 7.1 anolog out (5 ports aka holes). Damn! This is an OEM built card (thought it was same as retail)
I assume that when you say "there is only one for me", that you mean only one input, and not "only one MIC input"?

In any case, it seems that with some Dell models, some jacks are shared, so you might want to check if that is the case with your card (i.e. on the Dell Audigy Advanced MB, it seems that Mic In is shared with the Side out (i.e. same jack, so it seems you cannot use both at the same time)).

<edit>
Regarding you reply (below), there is never a headphone jack on the rear of the card, as I said before, normally you need to use the analog front speaker jack for headphones, unless you have a Live Drive. The headphone output in kX only applies to the Live Drive headphone jack, thus nobody uses that output (normally) unless they have a Live Drive.
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<edit2>
Yes, Mic In is normally on the rear of the card, so it seems that your Dell model moved it to the front as a convenience thing, but either way, you only get 1 Mic In (unless (again) you have a Live Drive, which adds additional I/O's (i.e. Line2/Mic2, etc are Live Drive inputs)).
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In any case, it seems that with some Dell models, some jacks are shared, so you might want to check if that is the case with your card (i.e. on the Dell Audigy Advanced MB, it seems that Mic In is shared with the Side out (i.e. same jack, so it seems you cannot use both at the same time)).
Forget about Mic, There is also no headphone hole behind meaning the quick connection (like Mic and heaphones) can only be made through front side! Although its an intelligent move (thinking of putting IN/Out cables from behind) it renders "Headphones" mentioned in kX Manager useless? my current headphone does not sound from headphones epilog anyways...
EDIT: oh... ok then guess then I'm OK with that one... But I definately see mic in the rear for This Model (0350)

EDIT2: Watching movie is kind of cool thing to do in osx, I hope E has some solution to this aside from kx Manager trick (if it comes as win)
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

Ok, I tested all outputs on my 1820M's Audio dock for routing and level.
I ran logic on my hacky and on my MBP. The system volume on the hacky turned all the way up and input volume for the line in on the MBP all the way up. I inserted a test oscillator in logic set to 1K sine wave and tested all the core audio outputs to see where they came out of the dock. When I found the physical output, I slowly turned up the test oscillator volume unitl I got 0db on the input meters on the MBP

Here goes.

Core Audio 1/2 came out of Dock 1L/1R and S/PDIF and Headphones as expected. I only need -32db on the test oscillator to get 0db line level out of the analog jacks. S/PDIF mirrored the levels from output to input exactly.

Core Audio 3/4 -> Dock 3L/3R (swapped with CA 5/6) also -32 db

Core Audio 5/6 -> Dock 2L/2R also -32 db

Core Audio 7/8 didn't register on any of the outputs.

I also got no output from Dock 4L/4R no matter where I sent the osc.

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Kez,

Hmm.. that's a bit strange.. are you using consumer/unbalanced (-10dB) or pro/balanced (+4dU) connections?

try the following:

set your Mac to work with both SPDIF and analog-input
in your DAW on your mac choose left channel -> spdif left
right channel -> analog right
I guess, this setup will simplify all the tests

after that, ensure your 'Audio MIDI' levels are all set to 1.0 (0.0 dB)
after that, open Terminal and reset EDSP firmware:
edspctrl -reset

after that, switch your E-mu card to -10dB consumer mode:
kxctrl -sfpga 13 1f

or, if you are using +4dBU pro balanced mode,
kxctrl -sfpga 13 0

on my 1212m this works fine - all levels are OK and working correctly

default mode is +4dB, so, you may need to change this
create a script that launches edpsctrl -reset and kxctrl -sfpga 13 1f and add it to your startup script folder

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Ok I'll try that.
It's just strange that the levels are normal in windows... did you see my earlier post?
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Eugene? do you have any comments on this? I mean "no voices in headphones @ 5.1" issue of mine? Think about it, its weird changing speaker modes from kX Manager everytime just to switch headphones If OSX version becomes somewhat better in this, Lu Yea!

EDIT: you have one "thank you" @ INF (and one unusual mute with EMU series @ p20 + p21)
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Kez,

create a script that launches edpsctrl -reset and kxctrl -sfpga 13 1f and add it to your startup script folder

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Hmmm, must learn scripts!! any tips on how to add that to a script?

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not here, I'll pm some infos but be sure that writing these scripts are best described from google results so far i managed to learn how to unmount drives at start-up!
i think i'm ok

i edited a .ini to edspctrl[enter]

put it in the dock, automated that being run, then closing it after load, (i just recorded me opening it & closing it) saved that as a app, made the app load at startup,

so now i boot, then terminal loads with edspctrl, then closes after firmware load

if you edit a .ini file (open it in text editor) to the command you want, then press enter, then save it, it will run the terminal process just by double clicking it

being lazy i used automator to run & close it,

PS, in my ini i put edspctrl -reset, as it will load from no firmware aswell as doing the reset (as i said i'm lazy)


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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

distortion after about 1hour 30minute on my ct4760
thanks for your work!
however,this version is better than 1.1b !
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Old Dec 7, 2008, 05:26 PM   #57
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

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set your Mac to work with both SPDIF and analog-input
I can't actually do that at the moment as on the MBP it's dual function optical/analog line in jack so you can only use one at a time.

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after that, switch your E-mu card to -10dB consumer mode:
kxctrl -sfpga 13 1f
This didn't make very much difference in the volume.

As a side note, this was never a problem in windows with emu drivers or even KX.
I had a good range from very quiet to nice and loud.

With KX in osx it's like sound off-> too loud - > way too loud

Could it be a linear / log scale thing?
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Old Dec 8, 2008, 06:16 PM   #58
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: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

there is no any input devices
anyway, thanks a lot for your work!
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EEK! Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

HI.

With a sb audigy 4 the same problem. It have not mic input. The sound is ok with 5.1 analog.

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Old Dec 15, 2008, 02:01 PM   #60
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Re: bug reports for OS X driver 1.2b1

A Core i7 system related issue with kX 5.1 multichannel for Eugene here
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